Your opinion on Pakistani expatriates? Is it really worth living abroad or outside of Pakistan?

[Al_Muhannad]

I will choose Pakistan because of Islam for my children, and stress-full life (yes stress in western countries exists as well).
Will write on it later as I am quite busy with something. It is a very complex issue. At this point, it is the duty of every able-body person to go abroad, build expertise in at least one knowledge stream, and if possible make some handsome savings in FOREX.

I knew I had some potential in me. But, even european universities did not help me unlock that potential. Ironically, they suppressed it just like Pakistani universities. In my opinion, European academic system are same as Pakistani universities. The only difference is that euroean societies have closer cultural and political connections with USA. I unlocked my potential by exploiting eurpean industry which much better in comparison to european academia.

افراد کے ہاتھوں ميں ہے اقوام کي تقدير
ہر فرد ہے ملت کے مقدر کا ستارا

 

[TheSolution]

Yes, in education our leaders have failed us. No wonder why everyone goes to English-medium schools.

Or someone jokingly told us that teachers in schools in Pakistan are women homemakers who do not have a real profession (Lawyer, Engineer, or Doctor).

I am looking for extremely honest and fair opinions about our motherland Pakistan.

I don't see a positive future for Pakistan

No effort or sign of wanting to improve and also serial incompetency

 

[Smoke]

I will choose Pakistan because of Islam for my children, and stress-full life (yes stress in western countries exists as well).
Will write on it later as I am quite busy with something. It is a very complex issue. At this point, it is the duty of every able-body person to go abroad, build expertise in at least one knowledge stream, and if possible make some handsome savings in FOREX.

Give your kids the chance to have some western exposure, come back after a few years when you have reaped the benefits, it’ll help them long term.

Funny thing is that Pakistani expats always used Pakistani muslims as an example of how religious they are compared to the expats living in the UK, I was shocked to see how untrue that was when I returned, Pakistani’s were well worse, sex, drinking, drugs are all rampart and your muslims living the UK abstain religiously…. Think about that.

 

[TheSolution]

Give your kids the chance to have some western exposure, come back after a few years when you have reaped the benefits, it’ll help them long term.

Funny thing is that Pakistani expats always used Pakistani muslims as an example of how religious they are compared to the expats living in the UK, I was shocked to see how untrue that was when I returned, Pakistani’s were well worse, sex, drinking, drugs are all rampart and your muslims living the UK abstain religiously…. Think about that.

Drinking and sex? Is that common in Pakistan?

(Edit: when I say sex, I mean before marriage of course)

 

[MultaniGuy]

I will choose Pakistan because of Islam for my children, and stress-full life (yes stress in western countries exists as well).
Will write on it later as I am quite busy with something. It is a very complex issue. At this point, it is the duty of every able-body person to go abroad, build expertise in at least one knowledge stream, and if possible make some handsome savings in FOREX.

There is no easy answer to this. Its a catch-22 situation for many expats. Most expat Pakistanis do low level work like taxis, uber etc. and have a substandard lifestyle compared to the locals but they consider it better than what they get back home.

Due to increasing migration Pakistanis and other Muslims have turned their neighborhoods into ghettos where things are different and standards of living and law and order is poor.
They have to spend most of their time in work and over time adopt the same selfish attitudes towards life as westerners i.e. money before family and everything else. As a result, they don't have time for their families and even their friends who are nearby.
Their children grow up and become what they didn't want them to be.
After living this life for years they are forced to look back and think was it worth it?
When living in West you gain some and lose some too.

Exactly, After the parents lived their lives, they ask themselves was it really worth it.

But I felt in the debate, both sides had strong arguments. When moving to the West, it's a gamble. Nothing is guaranteed.
But I also know some Pakistanis who did very well in USA, Canada, UK, and Australia.
It's a gamble. There is discrimination and other problems.

but of course, Pakistan is a country that is behind many Western countries.

 

[Smoke]

Drinking and sex? Is that common in Pakistan?

(Edit: when I say sex, I mean before marriage of course)

You’d be seriously surprised.

Your single sex schools have starved genders for social interaction with the other sex, and due to that all sound reasoning goes out of the window. Look at the girls in Kinnaird college Lahore, I remember they’d be standing outside and openly inviting guys in cars to come flirt with them or take their number.

 

[Last starfighter]

What about Pakistani culture is abandoned by Pakistani expats?

No it is not. You will find that the majority of expats are more Pakistani than the Pakistanis themselves.
It's because they have seen and experienced it first hand yet the people that live in Pakistan yearn to live abroad and be the gora

 

[Al_Muhannad]

Give your kids the chance to have some western exposure, come back after a few years when you have reaped the benefits, it’ll help them long term.

Funny thing is that Pakistani expats always used Pakistani muslims as an example of how religious they are compared to the expats living in the UK, I was shocked to see how untrue that was when I returned, Pakistani’s were well worse, sex, drinking, drugs are all rampart and your muslims living the UK abstain religiously…. Think about that.

Nope. That is only true for big cities like Lahore, Islamabad or Karachi.

Thank God my family fulfilled their responsibilities by keeping us siblings on Islam. When I call my family now while being in Germany, first question after greetings is about Namaz and Quran Pak.
I was disgusted by this bf/gf/being-modern kanjar-khana while I was in undergraduate.

You may been born Muslim but you have to choose Islam. I was born Muslim but I actually consciously chose Islam while I came to Europe.
منم ادنیٰ ثناء خانِ محمد، غلامِ از غلامانِ محمد۔ ﷺ۔

 

[TheSolution]

You’d be seriously surprised.

Your single sex schools have starved genders for social interaction with the other sex, and due to that all sound reasoning goes out of the window. Look at the girls in Kinnaird college Lahore, I remember they’d be standing outside and openly inviting guys in cars to come flirt with them or take their number.

I've heard similar stories about single sex schools here too, I guess it's a tempting response after being a little isolated from the opposite sex...

What about in general? How common is dating, drugs and sex? (Outside of just confined spaces like single sex schools)

 

[Last starfighter]

There is more besharmi and be- hayahi in Pakistan than what is done by the expats

 

[Al_Muhannad]

Exactly, After the parents lived their lives, they ask themselves was it really worth it.

But I felt in the debate, both sides had strong arguments. When moving to the West, it's a gamble. Nothing is guaranteed.
But I also know some Pakistanis who did very well in USA, Canada, UK, and Australia.
It's a gamble. There is discrimination and other problems.

but of course, Pakistan is a country that is behind many Western countries.

I believe I can answer your doubts. Please give me a week. We can discuss in quite detail on next weekend.

 

[Last starfighter]

Have you forgotten Mera jism meyrey marzi

 

[313ghazi]

Pakistani expatriates will lose their religion and culture over next generations.

Right now , since they are minorities and Islamophobia is rampant , they are active in keeping the fervor of religion and their culture alive but I don't see their children or children's children and so on and so forth to keep up with the zeal. Just like most immigrants , they will only retain superficial attributes of their culture but would lose almost all of its core and fundamental principles.

Some of them don't really love Pakistan but do have strong affiliation with their ethnic identify. They only identify as Pashtun or sindhi and etc.

I can't speak for other towns, but in my town the standard of Islamic education and awareness is higher than its ever been.

My father's generation built mosques but the education system was same old madrasa system as back home. Learn how to recite Quran, learn actions of namaz, all ratta.

Today we have qualified Islamic studies teachers, English speaking imams, our children get taught fiqh and we are working towards setting up so we can get the kids a GCSE qualification in Islamic studies.

Doesn't mean there aren't haramis, but they existed 50 years ago too. I live in the UK and society here puts less pressure on me to engage in haram than society in Pakistan.

 

[TheSolution]

Have you forgotten Mera jism meyrey marzi

When did this deterioration happen in Pakistan? I think it's western influence from online (social media)

 

[Smoke]

Exactly, After the parents lived their lives, they ask themselves was it really worth it.

But I felt in the debate, both sides had strong arguments. When moving to the West, it's a gamble. Nothing is guaranteed.
But I also know some Pakistanis who did very well in USA, Canada, UK, and Australia.
It's a gamble. There is discrimination and other problems.

but of course, Pakistan is a country that is behind many Western countries.

I've heard similar stories about single sex schools here too, I guess it's a tempting response after being a little isolated from the opposite sex...

What about in general? How common is dating, drugs and sex? (Outside of just confined spaces like single sex schools)

Very common, just hidden. The catch 22 situation Pakistani’s face abroad is that they go absolutely looney after white women, so they find Pakistani’s less attractive there, and white women don’t date Pakistani’s as easily, so the guys naturally c*ck-block themselves for years.. lol!