Yogi Adityanath To Be New Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister

[SrNair]

Chill man...rhetoric comes only when you are not in power...once in power he won't dare to speak in a divisive tone!

In fact the Yogi stands outside is more dangerous than within the Govt that too as CM

 

[egodoc222]

Yogi is just a reaction. You have to understand the ground situation in UP to understand why people like Yogi became popular.

Yogi is definitely the most right wing hardliner in BJP, but till he commits a crime himself, I see nothing wrong with him being the Chief Minister. If he fails to deliver, people will vote him out come next election. Its as simple as that.

Exactly!!
He is five time MP.
People gave their mandate.
If want him...they'll have him!!

 

[ranjeet]

Yeah nah mate, back it up with proof can you?

he will give John Dayal's statement.

I was watching a You-tube link of this guy speech during campaign (not sure new or old one) and there was a lady too sitting on stage where this Yogi insulted the Dead Muslim Woman but someone says the video is doctored that I don't find as such. I just want to ask Indian Members here, that honestly, is this true?

In that video it was not this GUY speaking but someone else, he was present on the stage and plus authenticity of that video hasn't been verified so it's a rumor as far as that particular issue is concerned.

 

[Sky lord]

In that video it was not this GUY speaking but someone else, he was present on the stage and plus authenticity of that video hasn't been verified so it's a rumor as far as that particular issue is concerned.

You have a very high standard of proof when it comes to your Yogi, but I see you opened several threads defaming others based on a single tweet or newspaper article from an unknown newspaper.

Why so much double standard bhai?

 

[The Eagle]

he will give John Dayal's statement.

Totally irrelevant by mentioning as such that has nothing to do with subject in hand.

 

[Ashesh]

https://twitter.com/x/status/843843159960535040

 

[Ashesh]

https://twitter.com/x/status/843856283807694848

 

[Soumitra]

BJP after a week-long wait announced five time MP from Gorakhpur, Yogi Adityanath as the new CM for Uttar Pradesh. Predictably, the mainstream media and liberals from both sides of the aisle had a spectacular and very public meltdown over naming a so called hardliner as the CM candidate. The cognitive dissonance of their argument is apparent, yet a root cause analysis might reveal a more sinister thought pattern and hence must be examined closely.

The most common argument put forth by these people is that Modi and BJP cleverly did not announce the name of the CM candidate during the campaign phase and many people who voted for BJP, would not have done so had they been told about Yogi’s candidature for the top job. This does not pass the basic test of logic.

If the party (or its leader like Modi) is seeking vote without naming a CM candidate, and if people are voting for that party, the most obvious conclusion of the mandate is people are willing to vote on the basis of the party’s agenda and/or its national leadership, and they implicitly accept the leader chosen by the party. In that case, for people to still feel cheated, either the candidate 1) had to be out of the electoral purview, i.e. an unelectable leader with a record of election losses, or one who holds nominated position in the party (RS MP for example) or 2) he should have been purposely and overtly kept away from the campaign (Varun Gandhi, for example). Yogi Adityanath fits neither of the above. He is a 5 time MP from Lok Sabha, in 2014, he received close to 5.4 lac votes, he defeated his nearest opponent by over 3 lac votes. He was among the most sought after and most visible campaigners for the party, especially in the Western and Eastern parts of the state. He held over 150 rallies in the state during the campaign. If as a voter in UP, your voting decision was subject to Yogi Adityanath not being in the race for the top post, you had all the information you needed to make that decision beforehand.

Having addressed the voter disappointment issue, let’s now turn to the two other major charges made by the opposition. One- Yogi Adityanath represents the fringe extreme of the identity politics. Here too, the opposition has two disadvantages – 1) they were nowhere this vocal when the previous SP government appointed Azam Khan, a fringe leader from the Muslim community as a cabinet minister. The mainstream media members who went into a meltdown over Yogi’s name have normalized ‘Bharat tere tukde honge’ brigade without turning a hair. This is a morally inconsistent position that would make a neutral observer think that the media’s objection is not to fringe as much as to the fringe from one side of the ideological argument. 2) They have levelled the charges of fringe identity politics against nearly all active leaders from BJP at some point of time or the other. If they truly believe the Gorakhpur MP is the worst that the identity politics has to offer, they must be regretting their past allegations of religious bigotry against other, more mainstream BJP leaders as now this charge has the ring of repetitiveness to it.

Second- as senior journalist Barkha Dutt said yesterday- majority is now turning to majoritarianism. As clever as this sounds, upon closer inspection of this statement you realize what the former NDTV anchor says is – we are ok with anyone winning majority as long as the decisions are made as per our choice. This makes no sense at all. In a perfect democracy, majoritarianism is nothing but a decision that has approval of maximum number of people participating. Majoritarianism places an importance on building consensus, and thus actually strengthens foundation of democracy. In past majority and majoritarianism were separated as there were no electoral costs of ignoring majority opinion (Congress rule). BJP’s success has been in imposing electoral cost on opposition for subverting majority opinion. The answer to this lies in the opposition initiating robust dialogue in order to build consensus. The expectation that no matter who is in power, the important decision should satisfy the standards set by a few, smacks of anti-democratic arrogance. This expectation is the beginning of a slippery slope that ends into coteries and informal power structures to influence decision making (Lutyens). The day we understand the morality of majority opinion influencing decision making, the discourse will become fact based rather than rhetoric based.


Does it mean I am endorsing the ‘might is right’ doctrine? Quite the contrary. Might is often used to substitute majority by ambitious individuals who understand their stand will not be endorsed by a majority of the population. Majoritarianism is opposite of the ‘might is right’, as it requires a lot of ordinary people to come together to make their voice heard.

An important stipulation before signing off- majoritarianism does not require that you agree with the majority opinion. It does not take away your right to dissent. Barkha’s right to protest against Yogi Adityananth for UP CM is inalienable. It is when she wishes to impose the morality of her choice on all of us that the trouble starts. In this case, to question the morality of Yogi’s selection is to question the morality of the democratic process itself.

 

[PlugnPlay]

BJP after a week-long wait announced five time MP from Gorakhpur, Yogi Adityanath as the new CM for Uttar Pradesh. Predictably, the mainstream media and liberals from both sides of the aisle had a spectacular and very public meltdown over naming a so called hardliner as the CM candidate. The cognitive dissonance of their argument is apparent, yet a root cause analysis might reveal a more sinister thought pattern and hence must be examined closely.

The most common argument put forth by these people is that Modi and BJP cleverly did not announce the name of the CM candidate during the campaign phase and many people who voted for BJP, would not have done so had they been told about Yogi’s candidature for the top job. This does not pass the basic test of logic.

If the party (or its leader like Modi) is seeking vote without naming a CM candidate, and if people are voting for that party, the most obvious conclusion of the mandate is people are willing to vote on the basis of the party’s agenda and/or its national leadership, and they implicitly accept the leader chosen by the party. In that case, for people to still feel cheated, either the candidate 1) had to be out of the electoral purview, i.e. an unelectable leader with a record of election losses, or one who holds nominated position in the party (RS MP for example) or 2) he should have been purposely and overtly kept away from the campaign (Varun Gandhi, for example). Yogi Adityanath fits neither of the above. He is a 5 time MP from Lok Sabha, in 2014, he received close to 5.4 lac votes, he defeated his nearest opponent by over 3 lac votes. He was among the most sought after and most visible campaigners for the party, especially in the Western and Eastern parts of the state. He held over 150 rallies in the state during the campaign. If as a voter in UP, your voting decision was subject to Yogi Adityanath not being in the race for the top post, you had all the information you needed to make that decision beforehand.

Having addressed the voter disappointment issue, let’s now turn to the two other major charges made by the opposition. One- Yogi Adityanath represents the fringe extreme of the identity politics. Here too, the opposition has two disadvantages – 1) they were nowhere this vocal when the previous SP government appointed Azam Khan, a fringe leader from the Muslim community as a cabinet minister. The mainstream media members who went into a meltdown over Yogi’s name have normalized ‘Bharat tere tukde honge’ brigade without turning a hair. This is a morally inconsistent position that would make a neutral observer think that the media’s objection is not to fringe as much as to the fringe from one side of the ideological argument. 2) They have levelled the charges of fringe identity politics against nearly all active leaders from BJP at some point of time or the other. If they truly believe the Gorakhpur MP is the worst that the identity politics has to offer, they must be regretting their past allegations of religious bigotry against other, more mainstream BJP leaders as now this charge has the ring of repetitiveness to it.

Second- as senior journalist Barkha Dutt said yesterday- majority is now turning to majoritarianism. As clever as this sounds, upon closer inspection of this statement you realize what the former NDTV anchor says is – we are ok with anyone winning majority as long as the decisions are made as per our choice. This makes no sense at all. In a perfect democracy, majoritarianism is nothing but a decision that has approval of maximum number of people participating. Majoritarianism places an importance on building consensus, and thus actually strengthens foundation of democracy. In past majority and majoritarianism were separated as there were no electoral costs of ignoring majority opinion (Congress rule). BJP’s success has been in imposing electoral cost on opposition for subverting majority opinion. The answer to this lies in the opposition initiating robust dialogue in order to build consensus. The expectation that no matter who is in power, the important decision should satisfy the standards set by a few, smacks of anti-democratic arrogance. This expectation is the beginning of a slippery slope that ends into coteries and informal power structures to influence decision making (Lutyens). The day we understand the morality of majority opinion influencing decision making, the discourse will become fact based rather than rhetoric based.


Does it mean I am endorsing the ‘might is right’ doctrine? Quite the contrary. Might is often used to substitute majority by ambitious individuals who understand their stand will not be endorsed by a majority of the population. Majoritarianism is opposite of the ‘might is right’, as it requires a lot of ordinary people to come together to make their voice heard.

An important stipulation before signing off- majoritarianism does not require that you agree with the majority opinion. It does not take away your right to dissent. Barkha’s right to protest against Yogi Adityananth for UP CM is inalienable. It is when she wishes to impose the morality of her choice on all of us that the trouble starts. In this case, to question the morality of Yogi’s selection is to question the morality of the democratic process itself.

Did you write it ?

 

[Soumitra]

Did you write it ?

No

Found it online

https://www.myind.net/Home/viewArti...adityanaths-elevation-as-chief-minister-of-up

 

[ranjeet]

You have a very high standard of proof when it comes to your Yogi, but I see you opened several threads defaming others based on a single tweet or newspaper article from an unknown newspaper.

Why so much double standard bhai?

Hey it comes with reasonable doubts

 

[skyisthelimit]

FYI: Jammu and Kashmir had Muslim Terrorist as CM Faruk Abdullah. Under his leadership Muslim Tertorist cartied out Genocide & exodus of Hindus in J&K.

Hidu Terrorist hasn't done anything if compared with Muslim Terrorist.

Age old trick of using victimization as a technique to gather sympathy.

They forget;
1. How Kashmiri Muslims treated their Pandits.
2. They forget how they are treating baloch and other brothers in own country
3. They forget how they treated Bangladeshi's

But they have the galls to tell Indians on how we treat Muslims.
Maybe they forgot Muslims were 9. something % when India got freedom, today they are 19%.

There is not one Muslim nation on whole planet where they allowed Minorities to have a temple in every nukkad or doubled their population.

But still cry victim.

And both of these attitudes have resulted in nothing but destruction for whoever has tried to employ them. Remember the days when sane Muslims used to try and argue with violent Salafist Jihadists? It was like talking to a bloody brick wall. Nobody can get through to them. This thing in India will keep gaining strength until it plays itself out. This will take a generation, but it is definitely headed in that direction. The appointment of this nutcase is a statement of intention by Modi. He is letting the Muslims of India know what is coming for them.

Bhai itne aaso agar Pakistani minorities ke liye bahate to unka kuch accha hota.
Bhai itne aaso agar Bangladeshi ke liye bahate to unka kuch accha hota.

Right.

Thats why I wrote in my earlier post, India is going down the drains. Very very hard times ahead for the minorities of India.

Bhai itne aaso agar Pakistani minorities ke liye bahate to unka kuch accha hota.
Bhai itne aaso agar Bangladeshi ke liye bahate to unka kuch accha hota.

 

[IndoCarib]

https://twitter.com/x/status/843825569666031617