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Yoga programme at US school sparks religious controversy

what about this saying

“There is no Yoga without Hinduism and no Hinduism without Yoga"

You don't visualize the lord of Yoga( Hindu God Shiva) when you close your eyes? It is also part of several Hindu rituals and prayers.

Brain-dead comment!! Yoga is plain exercise which includes breathing , stretching and other exercises to keep your body parts, mind and heart in good shape. Yog is just a teachings by Hindu saints to help make people healthy. It's not something without which a person will not be called Hindu. Consider this, in India only a very tiny percentage of population actually do Yoga. So keep your crap sayings like “There is no Yoga without Hinduism and no Hinduism without Yoga" in your mind only. It is not even worth laughing at. The most of Hinduism in Yoga is the chanting of "Om" to concentrate but even that is not mandatory.

And only a stupid can call yoga a part of Hindu rituals and prayers. Show me one occasion where you had seen people doing yoga while praying in temple or performing any rituals.

Btw, such comments are expected from mullahs!!
 
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what about this saying

“There is no Yoga without Hinduism and no Hinduism without Yoga"

You don't visualize the lord of Yoga( Hindu God Shiva) when you close your eyes? It is also part of several Hindu rituals and prayers.

BS,You have clearly no idea of Hinduism.Yoga is one of six orthodox school of philosophy of Hinduism.And it does not recognize any creator(or god) at all.It is atheistic in nature.It has nothing to do with any Hindu rituals or prayers because it does not recognize god.
 
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With this type of ignorance they will only produce Honey Boo Boo type of future Generation !!!
 
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Brain-dead comment!! Yoga is plain exercise which includes breathing , stretching and other exercises to keep your body parts, mind and heart in good shape. Yog is just a teachings by Hindu saints to help make people healthy. It's not something without which a person will not be called Hindu. Consider this, in India only a very tiny percentage of population actually do Yoga. So keep your crap sayings like “There is no Yoga without Hinduism and no Hinduism without Yoga" in your mind only. It is not even worth laughing at. The most of Hinduism in Yoga is the chanting of "Om" to concentrate but even that is not mandatory.

And only a stupid can call yoga a part of Hindu rituals and prayers. Show me one occasion where you had seen people doing yoga while praying in temple or performing any rituals.

Btw, such comments are expected from mullahs!!

You idiot cannot reply without personal attack and i was not even quoting to you and you poke your nose without understanding my post. I was replying to his comment that yoga has nothing to do with Hinduism when we all know origin of yoga is in Hinduism. Sure people can practice yoga just for exercises but it will be wrong to say that yoga has nothing to do with Hinduism. People can also offer prayer/namaz or keep fasting for 30 days for health/fitness reasons or for exercise but it will be wrong to say that namaz has nothing to do with Islam. All these acts have physical and spirituals meanings. You idiots never heard about something about spiritual yoga which Hindu practice to maintain a detached outlook in life and to free themselves from desire or any agitation in mind.

Yoga is not only about exercising but about cleansing the entire body, mind and soul of all negativity and to have a peaceful mind, pure soul and ultimately reaching the divine as believed by Hindus and as explained in the philosophies of Hinduism

read this

Hindu Wisdom - Yoga
 
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BS,You have clearly no idea of Hinduism.Yoga is one of six orthodox school of philosophy of Hinduism.And it does not recognize any creator(or god) at all.It is atheistic in nature.It has nothing to do with any Hindu rituals or prayers because it does not recognize god.

Who you are wasting your time with?
 
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BS,You have clearly no idea of Hinduism.Yoga is one of six orthodox school of philosophy of Hinduism.And it does not recognize any creator(or god) at all.It is atheistic in nature.It has nothing to do with any Hindu rituals or prayers because it does not recognize god.

I clearly have no idea but you contradict

on one side you are saying yoga is one of the six orthodox schools of Hindu philosophy and on other side you are saying yoga has nothing to do with Hinduism

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Statue of Lord Shiva in Bangalore, India, performing yogic meditation in the Padmasana posture.

Who you are wasting your time with?

son read the link of your mullah i posted :D

its sad that mullah is teaching you the link between yoga and philosophy of hinduism
 
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since dumb *** recognized his dumb posts and deleted them so no point of this post :P
 
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I clearly have no idea but you contradict

on one side you are saying yoga is one of the six orthodox schools of Hindu philosophy and on other side you are saying yoga has nothing to do with Hinduism

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Statue of Lord Shiva in Bangalore, India, performing yogic meditation in the Padmasana posture.

I didn't say Yoga has nothing to do with Hinduism.It is an integral part of Hindu Philosophy.What I said Yoga does not recognize god.Hence it is atheistic in nature.Many of the orthodox Hindu philosophies are Atheistic(does not recognize the role of creator) in nature.
That picture is just an artistic impression.Learn more about Hinduism before commenting about it.
 
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I didn't say Yoga has nothing to do with Hinduism.It is an integral part of Hindu Philosophy.What I said Yoga does not recognize god.Hence it is atheistic in nature.Many of the orthodox Hindu philosophies are Atheistic(does not recognize the role of creator) in nature.
That picture is just an artistic impression.Learn more about Hinduism before commenting about it.
what it has anything to do with God? Did i mentioned word God in my post? Read my post before jumping towards reply. Nick indian was saying yoga has nothing to do with hinduism and i was replying to him and read what i replied above
 
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what it has anything to do with God? Did i mentioned word God in my post? Read my post before jumping towards reply. Nick indian was saying yoga has nothing to do with hinduism and i was replying to him and read what i replied above

You Read your post yourself.

what about this saying

“There is no Yoga without Hinduism and no Hinduism without Yoga"

You don't visualize the lord of Yoga( Hindu God Shiva) when you close your eyes? It is also part of several Hindu rituals and prayers.

You posted Yoga is part of Hindu rituals and prayers.Which is completely incorrect.Since rituals and prayers are dedicated to GOD and Yoga does not recognize a GOD.Also,their is no lord of Yoga.Its completely false and it has nothing to do with original philosophy it might have originated later during Bhakthi movement.
 
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what about this saying

“There is no Yoga without Hinduism and no Hinduism without Yoga"

You don't visualize the lord of Yoga( Hindu God Shiva) when you close your eyes? It is also part of several Hindu rituals and prayers.

Thats ridiculous.There is no Hindu god of Yoga. You do not have to say prayers during a Yoga exercise. It is definitely NOT a part of Hindu rituals or prayers!!!!

It's a set of exercises that is connected to Hinduism because the original inventors kept the names in line with the culture of the time allowing people to relate and incorporate it in their lifestyle.

It's as much a Hindu thing as taking a holiday on Sunday is a Christmas thing.
 
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You can go as deep into Yoga as you want to go. The physical Asanas are only the surface, but you can benefit even from the surface. Yoga is Dharma, but Dharma does not mean religion in the Abrahamic sense.

Fancy word play about dharma v/s religion won't wash. At the end of the day, if you go into the cultural and spiritual aspects of yoga, then you are getting into the nitty gritty of the Hindu belief system.

It was funded by a grant from a private foundation.

I am not a lawyer, and there are highly paid lawyers who devote their whole career to this field, but my understanding is that if an activity is led by school officials on school property, then it constitutes promotion of religious beliefs.

For example, prayers (Muslim, Christian, Jewish, etc.) led by student volunteers using school property are fine; but an actual formal activity, such as a course or prayer session, led by school officials probably crosses the line.

Agreed , and in which spectrum the engagement lies could and should be moderated by the school authorities. If they keep an eye, it won't go beyond the spectrum of "discussing".

Some people might feel that even discussing such things in a school-sanctioned activity crosses the line. It would amount to a course on Hinduism.

Opt out, if any one has problems

Already discussed. A formal activity on school premises, sanctioned by school officials, probably crosses the line. If private individuals were leasing a school hall and offering it as an optional, after-school, activity, then it would probably be OK.

Hiduism is not really an expansionist religion, and hindus are neither interested in cajoling/coercing others to join Hinduism.

Neither do I accept that claim, nor is it relevant to this debate.

Don't feel comfortable, opt out. No one is shoving yoga classes down anyone's throat, right?

See above. If it's optional, it should have absolutely no connection with school officials. It should be offered on an opt-in basis, like Muslim, Christian and Jewish prayer sessions, rather than having to opt out.

This is especially important in a school setting where (young) students (and parents) might feel pressured to go along just to avoid offending teachers.
 
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Fancy word play about dharma v/s religion won't wash. At the end of the day, if you go into the cultural and spiritual aspects of yoga, then you are getting into the nitty gritty of the Hindu belief system.



I am not a lawyer, and there are highly paid lawyers who devote their whole career to this field, but my understanding is that if an activity is led by school officials on school property, then it constitutes promotion of religious beliefs.

For example, prayers (Muslim, Christian, Jewish, etc.) led by student volunteers using school property are fine; but an actual formal activity, such as a course or prayer session, led by school officials probably crosses the line.



Some people might feel that even discussing such things in a school-sanctioned activity crosses the line. It would amount to a course on Hinduism.





Already discussed. A formal activity on school premises, sanctioned by school officials, probably crosses the line. If private individuals were leasing a school hall and offering it as an optional, after-school, activity, then it would probably be OK.



Neither do I accept that claim, nor is it relevant to this debate.



See above. If it's optional, it should have absolutely no connection with school officials. It should be offered on an opt-in basis, like Muslim, Christian and Jewish prayer sessions, rather than having to opt out.

This is especially important in a school setting where (young) students (and parents) might feel pressured to go along just to avoid offending teachers.


About 20 million Americans practice yoga daily.Are you saying they are all taking a crash course on Hinduism.Stop talking such BS.Yoga has physical,mental and spiritual disciplines.Majority of the people practice only physical disciplines only just like another means of exercise.
 
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In oct too there was some uproar


Parents May Sue Over Yoga Lessons in Public Schools



By KEVIN DOLAK (@kdolak)
Oct. 23, 2012
Parents in a southern California community are considering legal action over the constitutionality of a form of yoga being taught to their children, which they claim is introducing religion into public schools.

Last month, half of the students attending classes in the Encinitas Union School District K-6 elementary schools in San Diego North County began taking Ashtanga (Sanskrit for "eight-limbed") yoga for 30 minutes twice per week. In January, the other half will begin the lessons.

Concerned parents have now retained constitutional first amendment attorney Dean Broyles, who says that Ashtanga yoga is a religious form of yoga, and that religious aspects have been introduced into the schools.

"The poses and positions are acknowledged by Ashtanga and Hindi yoga as forms of worship and prayers to Hindu deities," he told ABC News. "They have a spiritual and religious meaning behind them."

Broyles said that although he was at first skeptical that there were truly religious belief and practices being taught to kids, the more he investigated and spoke with parents, the more he realized it was a constitutional issue.

Broyles says that he brought up the matter at a Encinitas Union School District (EUSD) trustees meeting, along with 60 concerned parents, on October 9. Now the EUSD trustees will be reviewing whether the grant money violates the religious freedom of students and parents.


The yoga, which is being taught in all nine of the schools in the district, is being funded by a $533,000 grant from the Jois Foundation, a nonprofit that promotes Ashtanga yoga across the world. All of the instructors teaching the students are certified and trained by the Jois Foundation in Ashtanga yoga.
Broyles points to hedge-fund billionaire Paul Tudor Jones and his wife Sonia Jones, who is a known dedicated disciple of Sri Pattabhi Jois, the recently deceased master of Ashtanga yoga, as the money behind the EUSD yoga program. The district's program will be studied by the University of Virginia and University of San Diego to look at benefits of Ashtanga yoga, as outlined in a letter sent to parents by EUSD Superintendent Tim Baird.
"The study will look at the way that public school systems can impact student learning, health, positive relationships, and overall wellness through the implementation of a holistic approach to student wellness," Baird said in the letter.

The Tudor Joneses, Broyles says, were instrumental in the founding of the Jois Foundation and put up the money for the EUSD Ashtanga yoga grant. He says that parents are now not only questioning Hindu religion entering their schools, but the validity if this study being undertaken.
"We think that children are being used as guinea pigs," he said. "Following the money, you see what's going on … It would be like a charismatic Christian organization funding classes in worship and praise, and also funding a research center at a public university that is studying whether this is an effective form of exercise."
Baird told ABC News that he completely disagree that the school district is teaching religion.

"Yoga is a physical activity that's completely mainstream," Baird told ABC News. "It's done in universities and churches around the world. I understand it has a cultural heritage coming from India, and there are people that use yoga in their religious practices … We are creating lesson plans in kid-friendly language that is really redesigning the program. We are not using cultural references. We are not using Sanskrit. We've changed the names to gorilla pose, and mountain pose
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Broyles says that though it has been argued that the in-school yoga programs have been stripped of their spirituality, he thinks that kids in EUSD are being exposed to Hindu thought and belief within the school.


"On the wall there was a poster that showed the Ashtanga. There are words showing what the limbs are," he said. "The ultimate goal is to be absorbed into the universe, which is called Samadhi. They had a poster depicting that. Fundamentally it is a Hindu religion being taught through Ashtanga yoga."
Baird told ABC News that there are no Hindu figures on the wall.

Children are also being taught eastern meditation techniques to calm themselves, where one clears the mind of all thoughts, poses that were imparted by Hindu deities, and in one class were trained in drawing mandalas, according to Broyles
Parents also raised specific concerns about the program aside from the religious aspects, saying that the fact that kids are taking 60 minutes of the 100 minutes per week allotted for physical education to do yoga is inappropriate. Broyles said that for 40 minutes per week the kids are not getting PE, and that they're not offering anything for kids that are opting out of the program.


Baird told ABC News that only 3 to 4 families at each school have opted their child out of the program, and that those students are using the time for a variety of other activities that differs from school to school.

Broyles says that there are some yoga enthusiasts in favor of the program; he says that people in the district don't really understand eastern mysticism, yoga's roots in Hinduism, and what's being taught.
"If we were introducing Christian worship of bowing, there would be outcry in the community," he said. "Allowing our public schools to actively promote the beliefs and practices of one religion over others to young impressionable children sets a dangerous precedent."Page 2: Parents Eyeing Lawsuit Over Yoga Lessons in Public Schools - ABC News
 
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