Y. The big Why?

[W.11]

Speaking for the US, there is a very strong section of liberals and non-White Americans (including Muslim Americans) that have fought against policies such as banning kosher and halal or hijab (or other religious symbols) in public, and who have called for the US to accept more refugees and migrants. Of course the Right Wing and Republicans/Trumpers don't want any of the above and they typically use similar arguments to those you made to argue against such policies.

Not all liberals are the same, liberals of belgium have banned kosher and halal meat in their country (liberals calling muslim slaughter as cruel and prefer electrocution), so it also depends on level of tolerance within the western liberals, Macron for instance is not a right winger, and french boast about their liberalism, but that didn't deter from making separatism laws and they justify such intolerance based on their very liberalism.

Malaysia for instance despite being a muslim major coutnry allows chinese people to slaughter and consume pork and alcohol is widely available in malaysia, In pakistan itself despite being a dry country one (Non muslim and foreigner) can obtain alcohol permit so there is abs nothing which we need to take from the west.

I do accept that western society is more desciplined and their laws and regulations and their enforcements are much better, corruption is lower and their governance at ground level (mayors/municipal etc are developed), we need to implement our values within our governance framework, we need not to import/get influenced from the west.

regards

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Why doesnt western society follow eastern values as well?

if you can define what "eastern values" are first?

Turkish?
Pakistani?
Afghan?
Indian?

Chinese?
Japanese?
Singaporan?

This is such a childish sketch which merely goes to reinforce the thrust of what I said. That is Pakistan as a people have severe problem with adjusting to the modern world.

liberals of belgium have banned kosher and halal meat

They did not ban kosher/halal meat. They merely required stunning of the animal which is entirely reasonable thing to ask. Must the animal suffer additional pain for you to enjoy the meat?

 

[User]

if you can define what "eastern values" are first?

Turkish?
Pakistani?
Afghan?
Indian?

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Chinese?
Japanese?
Singaporan?

This is such a childish sketch which merely goes to reinforce the thrust of what I said. That is Pakistan as a people have severe problem with adjusting to the modern world.
They did not ban kosher/halal meat. They merely required stunning of the animal which is entirely reasonable thing to ask. Must the animal suffer additional pain for you to enjoy the meat?

Sir I think I saw a sculpture hinting at Kamasutra or orgy.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Sir I think I saw a sculpture hinting at Kamasutra or orgy.

Questiion is. Is that a eastern value?

 

[User]

Questiion is. Is that a eastern value?

I am sorry Sir, I haven`t studied Anthropology.

 

[313ghazi]

This is such a childish sketch which merely goes to reinforce the thrust of what I said. That is Pakistan as a people have severe problem with adjusting to the modern world.

Are you suggesting that a talented British Pakistani comedian is struggling to adjust when he portrays two Muslim characters who are getting along with their co-workers and compete in demonstrating how "indigneous" thier behaviour is?

C'mon - it's hilarious.

 

[W.11]

They did not ban kosher/halal meat. They merely required stunning of the animal which is entirely reasonable thing to ask. Must the animal suffer additional pain for you to enjoy the meat?

you are merely peddling a vegan/neo atheist argument (dominant political thinking in the west), why not ban the meat slaughter completely if you so much care about the suffering of the animals? does hijab ban remove the suffering of the muslim females in europe, stop this western propaganda please.

regards

 

[W.11]

if you can define what "eastern values" are first?

Turkish?
Pakistani?
Afghan?
Indian?

Chinese?
Japanese?
Singaporan?

east is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet

who said that?

regards

 

[jamahir]

They did not ban kosher/halal meat. They merely required stunning of the animal which is entirely reasonable thing to ask. Must the animal suffer additional pain for you to enjoy the meat?

you are merely peddling a vegan/neo atheist argument (dominant poltical thinking in tehe west), why not ban the meat slaughter completely if you so much care about the suffering of the animals?

I too don't want the animal to needlessly suffer and this is indeed a reasonable thing to ask.

Why not Muslims ( and everyone else ) insist on new technology and adopt laboratory-grown meat ? There is a Holland company ( Mosa Meat ) which produces meat this way.

does hijab ban remove the suffering of the muslim females in europe, stop this western propaganda please.

What do you mean by hijab ? Is it a simple, reasonably lenghted cloth or something like what Erdogan's wife wears - a big cloth on the head and a thick coat in addition ? Please note that such items of clothing were / are not worn by the female family members of progressive Muslim leaders ( Nasser, Gaddafi, Assad, Saddam etc ). Please also note that the ideology that insists on the burqa is the ideology that allows itself to be directed and used by NATO.

 

[W.11]

I too don't want the animal to needlessly suffer and this is indeed a reasonable thing to ask.

veganism and vegetarianism actually rejects humanism (the main ideology before neo-atheism). The vegans/vegetarians propose animalism/animal welfare at the cost of human suffering (Human rights dont have precedence over animal rights).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1347172522060509189

Veganism isn't necessarily pro animal welfare, its just an idiotic twisted and non sensical western neo atheistic ideology)

for example, in this debate, a guy, Hashim exposed a vegan who was keeping his pet dog on vegetarian diet (hence causing suffering to his pet dog by refusing its natural diet)

@15:00

 

[W.11]

What do you mean by hijab ? Is it a simple, reasonably lenghted cloth or something like what Erdogan's wife wears - a big cloth on the head and a thick coat in addition ? Please note that such items of clothing were / are not worn by the female family members of progressive Muslim leaders ( Nasser, Gaddafi, Assad, Saddam etc ). Please also note that the ideology that insists on the burqa is the ideology that allows itself to be directed and used by NATO.

why are you so much threatened by females wearing hijab and putting extra amount of clothes? is your idea of female emancipation connected to the nudity/less clothings worn by females? why does progress have to mean restrictions putting on female's clothing, you are being male chauvinist, not much diff than those you accuse of opressing females.

regards

 

[jamahir]

veganism and vegetarianism actually rejects humanism (the main ideology before neo-atheism). The vegans/vegetarians propose animalism/animal welfare at the cost of human suffering (Human rights dont have precedence over animal rights).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1347172522060509189

Veganism isn't necessarily pro animal welfare, its just an idiotic twisted and non sensical western neo atheistic ideology)

Well, veganism is a non-worthwhile idea. I don't see why we cannot consume milk or butter or curds or eggs.

My favorite food is chicken egg.

About meat, I again say that the world should adopt laboratory-grown meat. It is real meat, just that it doesn't involve killing an animal.

for example, in this debate, a guy, Hashim exposed a vegan who was keeping his pet dog on vegetarian diet (hence causing suffering to his pet dog by refusing its natural diet)

@15:00

About your reference to neo-atheism, I think that those who are vegans will tend towards following the "Hare Rama Hare Krishna" people ( ISKCON etc ). They won't be atheists.

As for dogs, I didn't watch the vid because I hate dogs. I think Lenin was an atheist and he was a cat person.

why are you so much threatened by females wearing hijab and putting extra amount of clothes? is your idea of female emancipation connected to the nudity/less clothings worn by females? why does progress have to mean restrictions putting on female's clothing, you are being male chauvinist, not much diff than those you accuse of opressing females.

regards

I too don't want nudity but you tell me if the below dressing of Erdogan's wife doesn't look awkward and forced :

In contrast, another Turkish woman, albeit historical, Halime Hatun, looks different, comfortable :

 

[W.11]

Well, veganism is a non-worthwhile idea. I don't see why we cannot consume milk or butter or curds or eggs.

My favorite food is chicken egg.

About meat, I again say that the world should adopt laboratory-grown meat. It is real meat, just that it doesn't involve killing an animal.



About your reference to neo-atheism, I think that those who are vegans will tend towards following the "Hare Rama Hare Krishna" people ( ISKCON etc ). They won't be atheists.

As for dogs, I didn't watch the vid because I hate dogs. I think Lenin was an atheist and he was a cat person.



I too don't want nudity but you tell me if the below dressing of Erdogan's wife doesn't look awkward and forced :

In contrast, another Turkish woman, albeit historical, Halime Hatun, looks different, comfortable :

a very non sensical argument

next what, muslim girls not wearing butt shorts, tiny crop tops and showing their female bodies and sexualising their dress as non progressive?

regards

 

[jamahir]

a very non sensical argument

next what, muslim girls not wearing butt shorts, tiny crop tops and showing their female bodies and sexualising their dress as non progressive?

regards

Is Halime Hatun wearing those or are Pakistani women in salwar kameez wearing those or is any woman, not just Muslim, wearing a full-length jeans and top wearing those ?