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China’s aggressive policies vis-a-vis the South China Sea are based on selective history

The conflict between the Philippines and China over the Scarborough Shoal may appear at first sight a minor dispute over an uninhabitable rock and surrounding shallow waters. But it is hugely important because it encapsulates China’s assumption that the histories of the non-Han peoples whose lands border two-thirds of the waters known in English as the South China Sea are irrelevant.

The Philippine case over Scarborough has been mostly presented as one of geography. The feature is 135 nautical miles from Luzon, the main Philippine island, and roughly 350 miles from the mainland of China and 300 miles from the tip of Taiwan. It is thus also well within the Philippines’ Exclusive Economic Zone.

China leapfrogs these inconvenient geographical truths to come up with justifications of its claims which can be applied to the whole South China Sea and thus justify the dotted line on map which vaguely defines them. This line has never been precisely delineated but comes well within the 200-mile limits of all the other countries, and close to Indonesia’s gas-rich Natuna islands.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...1_south-china-sea-chinese-map-china-leapfrogs

In the case of the Scarborough Shoal, its historical justification is that this rock and surrounding shallow water is mentioned in a Chinese map of the 13th century when China itself was under alien –Mongol – rule. The fact that a vessel from China had visited the shoal and recorded its existence has thus become one basis for its claim. Very similar pieces of history are trotted out to justify claims to other islands visited by ships from China. Likewise, China’s assumption of hegemony is often based on the fact that foreign merchant ships had to pay taxes to trade with China.

History, however, shows that Chinese sailors were latecomers to the South China Sea, let alone to onward trade to the Indian Ocean. The seagoing history of the region, at least for the first millennium of the current era, was dominated by the ancestors of today’s Indonesians, Malays, Filipinos and (less directly) Vietnamese. Thus, as China’s own records reveal, when the 4th century Buddhist pilgrim Fa Hsien, went to Sri Lanka, he travelled from China to Sumatra and then on to Sri Lanka in Malay ships.

This was not the least surprising given that during this era of sea-going prowess, people from Indonesia were the first colonisers of the world’s third largest island, Madagascar, some 4,000 miles away. (The Madagascan language and 50% of its human gene pool are of Malay origin.) This was a thousand years before the much-vaunted voyages of Chinese admiral Zheng He in the 15th century.

Malay seagoing prowess was to be overtaken by south Indians and Arabs, but they remained the premier seafarers in Southeast Asia until well into the era of European dominance of the region. Indeed, the Malay-speaking Hindu (like much of Southeast Asia at that time) mercantile state of central Vietnam dominated South China Sea trade until the 15th century. The 10th century Arab traveller and geographer al-Masudi made reference to the “Cham Sea”, and trade between Champa and Luzon was well established long before the Chinese drew their 13th century map. As Scarborough Shoal not only lies close to the Luzon coast but is on the direct route from Manila bay to the ancient Cham ports of Hoi An and Qui Nhon, it was known to the Malay sailors long ago.

All in all, the Chinese claim to have ‘been there first’ is like arguing that Europeans got to Australia before its aboriginal inhabitants. But given China’s reluctance to acknowledge that Taiwan was Malay territory until the arrival of European conquerors, and then of a surge of settlers from the mainland, such refusal to acknowledge the rights of other peoples is not surprising.

At times, China itself seems to recognise the flimsy basis of some of its historical claims. In the case of the Scarborough Shoal, it backs up its position by reference to the Treaty of Paris 1898 concluding the Spanish-American war and yielding Spanish sovereignty over the Philippine archipelago to the US. This did not mention the shoal but described a series of straight lines drawn on the map which left the shoal a few miles outside the 116E longitude defined by the treaty.

Given that China rejects “unequal treaties” imposed by western colonialists, it is remarkable to find it relying on one between two foreign powers conducted without any reference to the inhabitants of the Philippines. Vietnam can equally well claim all the Spratly Islands as inheritor of French claims over them.

For sure, China has the power to impose its will. But its aggressive stance towards the Philippines, so often seen as an especially weak state, has alerted others, including Japan, Russia and India as well as the US, to its long-term goal which is not ownership of a few rocks but strategic control of the whole sea, a vital waterway between northeast Asia and the Indian Ocean, the Gulf and Europe. The Scarborough Shoal is not just a petty dispute over some rocks. It is a wake-up call for many countries.
 
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What does our ethnicity have to do with anything, that you Indians have to include it in your ridiculous headlines? :rolleyes:
 
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Vietnamese called it Biển Đông from ancient time.

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What does our ethnicity have to do with anything, that you Indians have to include it in your ridiculous headlines? :rolleyes:

It shows the mentality of HUN people with respect to land grabbing of other peoples.

Lol ..... Thats why you choose the fact that your claim is on based that you shown in map on 13th Century but when other people shown that in the map in 10th century , 4th century which shown in the map of Malays long before you made a map and started sea voyages.

What about Taiwan? a Malay Territory which was colonized by Western power and transfer Chinese people on Island? and in similar condition you say AP is yours. If you claim AP is yours then forget about Taiwan then?

It shows you are keen to grab other people land no matter what way , you justify your stand as per your conditions suites.

and what about Tiawan which was colonized by Westrean countries was actually taken from
 
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Vietnamese called it Biển Đông from ancient time.

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Was your great motherland an independent nation in ancient time? last time when I checked, it was a province of China.

monkeys from vietnam should always remember one fact: your loser nation's capital is within 300km from our border.

btw, just checked your economy stats, doing pretty **** these days hah? 15% inflation.
 
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In the case of the Scarborough Shoal, its historical justification is that this rock and surrounding shallow water is mentioned in a Chinese map of the 13th century
Hmmm...Scientists have discovered evidence that early humans were living on the Indonesian island of Flores and found their stone tools on Scarborough Shoal at least one million years ago!!

So does that mean the shoal belongs to the Hobbits who lived there one million years ago?? What a lame argument of the Chinese that the shoal belongs to them just because of some antique 13th century Chinese map, and that too drawn by non Chinese!!

When will the Chinese grow up and start thinking like modern day humans instead of living in the past? :no: :sick:
 
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Hmmm...Scientists have discovered evidence that early humans were living on the Indonesian island of Flores and found their stone tools on Scarborough Shoal at least one million years ago!!

So does that mean the shoal belongs to the Hobbits who lived there one million years ago?? What a lame argument of the Chinese that the shoal belongs to them just because of some antique 13th century Chinese map, and that too drawn by non Chinese!!

When will the Chinese grow up and start thinking like modern day humans instead of living in the past? :no: :sick:

According to that logic, India did not even exist before the British created it, out of many independent kingdoms.

"India is merely a geographical expression. It is no more a single country than the Equator."

- Winston Churchill


So what right do you have over places like Kashmir, Northeast India, and the one third of India that is currently controlled by Naxalites? :lol:

Territory has always shifted throughout history based on geopolitics. India has no historical claim to any territory that currently lies within the Indian Union, since India never existed before the arrival of the colonialists.
 
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Chinese actually don't know anything about history, they in a very big jail , if you touch a child since childhood that sun rises rom west , then when he become adult , he will say sun rises frm west and not east.

it their not fault, they have told wrong. thats why No chinese can protest Taiwan and south china saw , Now as a typical habit of chinese they find that they defeated in argument they started talking about moon , earth etc....

According to that logic, India did not even exist before the British created it, out of many independent kingdoms.

So what right do you have over places like Kashmir, Northeast India, and the one third of India that is currently controlled by Naxalites? :lol:

Territory has always shifted throughout history based on geopolitics. India has no historical claim to any territory that currently lies within the Indian Union.

Well talk about Taiwan and South china and your claim based upon.....
 
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Hmmm...Scientists have discovered evidence that early humans were living on the Indonesian island of Flores and found their stone tools on Scarborough Shoal at least one million years ago!!

So does that mean the shoal belongs to the Hobbits who lived there one million years ago?? What a lame argument of the Chinese that the shoal belongs to them just because of some antique 13th century Chinese map, and that too drawn by non Chinese!!

When will the Chinese grow up and start thinking like modern day humans instead of living in the past? :no: :sick:

when your nation couldn't build power generators and have to import from China.
when your nation couldn't build mobile phones and base stations and have to import from China.
when your nation couldn't build internet backbone routers and have to import them from China.
when your nation couldn't even build bullets for its armed forces.

you still asking "Chinese grow up and start thinking like modern day humans instead of living in the past"?

one day indian, always liar.

Chinese actually don't know anything about history, they in a very big jail , if you touch a child since childhood that sun rises rom west , then when he become adult , he will say sun rises frm west and not east.

it their not fault, they have told wrong. thats why No chinese can protest Taiwan and south china saw , Now as a typical habit of chinese they find that they defeated in argument they started talking about moon , earth etc....



Well talk about Taiwan and South china and your claim based upon.....

enjoy your wet dream.

what I can confirm to you is:

1. literacy rate in China is about 2 times better than yours.
2. our economy is now almost 5 times as big as yours.
3. life expectancy is 10 years longer than yours.
4. we don't have your toilet issues.

dirty dishonest lazy low iq indians.
 
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lol ... now you people lost your head as you now see you don't have any claim to lay on.......

Talk about Taiwan and south china sea.. and claims you based upon..

when your nation couldn't build power generators and have to import from China.
when your nation couldn't build mobile phones and base stations and have to import from China.
when your nation couldn't build internet backbone routers and have to import them from China.
when your nation couldn't even build bullets for its armed forces.

you still asking "Chinese grow up and start thinking like modern day humans instead of living in the past"?

one day indian, always liar.



enjoy your wet dream.

what I can confirm to you is:

1. literacy rate in China is about 2 times better than yours.
2. our economy is now almost 5 times as big as yours.
3. life expectancy is 10 years longer than yours.
4. we don't have your toilet issues.

dirty dishonest lazy low iq indians.

Thats why you Lied about claims on South china sea is bogus ..... and based on 14th century china map and forget that other civilization more advance then you and traveled in 4th and 10th century ....
 
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What is an Indian?

I only know Punjabis, Tamils, Bengalis, Gujaratis, Biharis...

We are taking about ..... South China Sea and Taiwan ....

if you want to discuses about India then open another post , will response their

You shown you typical chinese troll when defeated ......and don't find any answer......start talking about everything other then topic..

BTW those Punjabis , Bihari etc people decided to live together and not under the GUN like chinese HUN people keep their country. Everyone has freedom and not online china.....
 
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