Workers claim Chinese Factory in Pakistan firing people who ask to be given time to pray

[Baz]

Chinese are the worst employers. Working for them is equivalent to selling your dignity, self respect and becoming a slave.

Pakistani government needs to make sure that chinese follow the laws

 

[Feng Leng]

Chinese care more about efficiency.
Why not pray after finishing the work?

... the above quote is exactly why people-to-people interaction will destroy China-Pakistan elites' cooperation.

 

[Numerous]

Chinese care more about efficiency.
Why not pray after finishing the work?

We are meant to pray 5 times a day and each prayer has it's own appointed time.

 

[Dungeness]

We are meant to pray 5 times a day and each prayer has it's own appointed time.

A country become strong because how hard people work, not because how many times people pray.

 

[OIO]

We are meant to pray 5 times a day and each prayer has it's own appointed time.

Do you think the machine should stop while you praying?

 

[Microsoft]

Do you think the machine should stop while you praying?

Yes.

 

[OIO]

Yes.

Do you think enemy should exit while you praying?

 

[beijingwalker]

We are meant to pray 5 times a day and each prayer has it's own appointed time.

Business practice is if you can't do your job, the company will find someone else who can. Government doesn't get involived in business practice. You can't force them to hire you. It works both ways, if you are not happy with the company, you can leave, if the company isn't happy with you ,they let you go.

 

[PakSword]

Chinese care more about efficiency.
Why not pray after finishing the work?

Prayers are required on time.

But there are other ways to compensate the prayer times. Chinese can also implement those ways but it seems they are not informed.

There are only two prayers during the working hours in normal months. In Ramadan, there is only one in working hours. Each prayer takes roughly 15 minutes to 30 minutes to complete. But I know some people who don't pray at home but always pray during working hours in Pakistan. They also like to sit, relax in the mosques for an hour after prayers. Even Pakistani employers are annoyed on this behaviour but can't do much due to religious sensitivities. 90 percent of the employees return and resume work right after the prayers and eating break that's 1 hour for first afternoon prayer. The second one is mostly 15 minutes, and that can be offered after 5 o clock as well.

Chinese employers can make it part of the employment contract, that anyone returning after 60 minutes of the prayer time during first prayer and 15 minutes after the second prayer will face a deduction in salary and it is completely legal. If the company's working hours are 9-5 with one hour break, it can change the working hours from 9 - 5:30 in the months when the second afternoon prayer occurs before 5 (in winter months).

With that said, stopping someone from fasting is not allowed. Again, if someone fasts and expects get relaxation benefits in the month of Ramadan is not on the right path. This is the whole idea about fasting that you should fast and do normal work during the day. If someone fasts and wants to sit and relax at the workplace expecting full pay at the end of the month is expecting haraam (unlawful) earning. If someone really wants to pray more in the holy month, he should apply for annual leaves.

But again saying, banning people from fasting or praying is just not allowed due to any reason, but reprimanding people who take wrong benefit of these two duties is completely lawful.

If companies run second shift, they can adjust the working hours by taking local ulema into confidence... It will be all ok after that...

 

[313ghazi]

Where are our champions of human rights and legal eagles? This case should be taken to court and the factory fined and shut down until they comply with Pakistani law.

Leave the sweatshops with suicide nets for China.

Chinese care more about efficiency.
Why not pray after finishing the work?

Because this is our country and we care for God more than money.

Business practice is if you can't do your job, the company will find someone else who can. Government doesn't get involived in business practice. You can't force them to hire you. It works both ways, if you are not happy with the company, you can leave, if the company isn't happy with you ,they let you go.

Pakistani labour law states you have to allow for this.

Its true i am also working in Chinese company as an Engineer, They will tell you; you should not do fasting in the month of Ramzan and they will not follow any time table. They don't follow any labour law. Our Govt and Army support them its shame for us. I cant tell you in detail on this forum, if you are interested how they behave with Pakistani and what they are doing here just send me Private message.

Take them to court. Your rizq is from Allah, not China.

The workers affected must take legal action and get support from local politicians and religious figures and media.

Government of China does not instruct companies to break the local law. If individual companies are doing so then legal action must be taken as @beijingwalker has said repeatedly.

The high levels of success we see in China today are due to the strictest legal controls.

 

[Microsoft]

Do you think enemy should exit while you praying?

There is no enemy while at work.

 

[OIO]

Prayers are required on time.

But there are other ways to compensate the prayer times. Chinese can also implement those ways but it seems they are not informed.

There are only two prayers during the working hours in normal months. In Ramadan, there is only one in working hours. Each prayer takes roughly 15 minutes to 30 minutes to complete. But I know some people who don't pray at home but always pray during working hours in Pakistan. They also like to sit, relax in the mosques for an hour after prayers. Even Pakistani employers are annoyed on this behaviour but can't do much due to religious sensitivities. 90 percent of the employees return and resume work right after the prayers and eating break that's 1 hour for first afternoon prayer. The second one is mostly 15 minutes, and that can be offered after 5 o clock as well.

Chinese employers can make it part of the employment contract, that anyone returning after 60 minutes of the prayer time during first prayer and 15 minutes after the second prayer will face a deduction in salary and it is completely legal. If the company's working hours are 9-5 with one hour break, it can change the working hours from 9 - 5:30 in the months when the second afternoon prayer occurs before 5 (in winter months).

With that said, stopping someone from fasting is not allowed. Again, if someone fasts and expects get relaxation benefits in the month of Ramadan is not on the right path. This is the whole idea about fasting that you should fast and do normal work during the day. If someone fasts and wants to sit and relax at the workplace expecting full pay at the end of the month is expecting haraam (unlawful) earning. If someone really wants to pray more in the holy month, he should apply for annual leaves.

But again saying, banning people from fasting or praying is just not allowed due to any reason, but reprimanding people who take wrong benefit of these two duties is completely lawful.

If companies run second shift, they can adjust the working hours by taking local ulema into confidence... It will be all ok after that...

It's more complicated than I expected, but there should be a way to make two side satisified.

 

[Dungeness]

There is no enemy while at work.

In an industrial society, the deficiency is the enemy.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Chinese care more about efficiency.
Why not pray after finishing the work?

Our country our rules and our religions if they have a problem then they can gtfo.
What a ignorant and stupid statement, I expect as much from the Chinese

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Persecute them and punish them for violating labour laws. Make an example out of them

 

[武成王]

Fire the employer and let them pack and go, finally ban their next entry to give them a lesson.
Please applaud for my suggestion. Investors need do through homework before investing in Pakistan or any Muslim majority region, it's not the workers' fault, if you can't tolerate it, just pack and go.

Again, please don't analyze the problem purely from a Chinese mindset. Often completely wrong, you're still feeling confused. right, everything is just right and normal.