Woolwich attack suspect identified as Michael Adebolajo

[Amaa'n]

Isn't there a hate speech law telling these delusional folks to simply shutting up, it would be interesting if they ever decided to come down to yank land or Canada for that matter. Small question to Uk resident, is there any kind of military student program that instils discipline in young youth and by extension I am referring to my limited time in London where I saw loads of young folks in street wasting their time, but that was my observation personally.

that my friend is the root cause of this all, especially with economical turmoil and unemployment on the rise, racism, current situation of the islamic world, all acts as a catalyst towards radicalism and extremism

 

[Safriz]

No my point was youth in London have too much time in their hand yah, put all of these holligans in some boot camp for summers and the results will be astonishing. I personally didn't enjoy my time in Uk especially in manchester, when I was in a mosque for spritual prayer, the guy told me that i have to my hands across the waist as I usually keep em down. I mean does it even matter how you hold your hand for prayer, some of these folks were telling me to fold the bottoms of my pants so that it makes me a better practicing muslim, I think islam is somewhat of a cult inthese mosques. Also in UK, If you ever go there, you will find it interesting that they have businesses on the road side selling goods in presence of cars on the roads with pollution yah, I am telling you if you ever get the chance to travel to UK, avoid some areas because they are damn dead dangerous.

Youth are a lost generation in this country and have no purpose in life...Most smoke weed and narcotics and are prolific alcoholics.Since most have no job or other source of income so they have to get money for their addictions by crime.
No surprise that most crimes here are committed by youth and law is lenient for them and they can get away with it.

About your visit to Mosque "For spiritual prayers" .. well yes it does matter how you perform the rituals..According to shia or Fiqah Jafriah..you are not supposed to hold your hands together and leave them open..But all other Fiqah prefer Holding hands on chest or above/below belly button.
Islam strives to keep originality in all rituals,and that's why a fellow Muslim might have pointed out a supposed "Error" but you may have told him you follow a different fiqah and he hadn't said anything more.

 

[JanjaWeed]

@JanjaWeed sarcasm is cute

Plus You recommended it 4 mins watching and I can tell its crap....No wonder you guys attack Islam...watching such a crappy low budget thing of jigg would make anyone 1 sided!!

vvvv....rest my case....

This theory was applied and it was found by court they did nothing wrong . For the matter of fact they received 100000 Pounds as compensation .

The resulting complaints to Ofcom were rejected by Ofcom on 19 November 2007. "Undercover Mosque was a legitimate investigation, uncovering matters of important public interest... On the evidence (including untransmitted footage and scripts), Ofcom found that the broadcaster had accurately represented the material it had gathered and dealt with the subject matter responsibly and in context."[17] Ofcom also did not uphold complaints from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia & the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia, from the Islamic Cultural Centre, and from the London Central Mosque.[17]

In a move supported by Channel Four, the makers of the documentary then launched a libel action against the CPS and West Midlands Police. In a statement released for Kevin Sutcliffe and programme makers Hardcash Productions said:

"The statements made by both the West Midlands Police and the CPS were completely unfounded and seriously damaging to our reputation. We feel the only way to set the record straight once and for all is to pursue this matter through a libel action."

[19]

On 15 May 2008 when the matter came to the High Court, West Midlands Police and the Crown Prosecution Service apologised to the makers of the documentary for accusing them of distortion and agreed to a payment of £100,000. The statement, released to the media by West Midlands Police, after the High Court hearing, said they now accepted there had been no evidence that Channel 4 or the documentary makers had "misled the audience or that the programme was likely to encourage or incite criminal activity".

It added that the Ofcom report showed the documentary had "accurately represented the material it had gathered and dealt with the subject matter responsibly and in context". The police statement concluded: "We accept, without reservation, the conclusions of Ofcom and apologise to the programme makers for the damage and distress caused by our original press release." The same statement was later posted on the Crown Prosecution Service website.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...tified-michael-adebolajo-4.html#ixzz2U82nbGhl

Undercover Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[flamer84]

As for the death of this British soldier, condolences to him and his family but also condolences to the people of Iraq who which the British army invaded and killed.

Grateful Iraqis welcome American Marines during the 2003 invasion of Iraq - YouTube

Libyan rebels fighting dictator Moammar Khadafy beg west for help - NY Daily News

Family Security Matters-Syrian rebels beg west for help

Damned if you do,damned if you don't!

 

[Dubious]

This theory was applied and it was found by court they did nothing wrong . For the matter of fact they received 100000 Pounds as compensation .


Undercover Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

okkk...thats twisted

The resulting complaints to Ofcom were rejected by Ofcom on 19 November 2007. "Undercover Mosque was a legitimate investigation, uncovering matters of important public interest... On the evidence (including untransmitted footage and scripts), Ofcom found that the broadcaster had accurately represented the material it had gathered and dealt with the subject matter responsibly and in context." Ofcom also did not uphold complaints from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia & the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia, from the Islamic Cultural Centre, and from the London Central Mosque.
Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...tified-michael-adebolajo-4.html#ixzz2U82fMfdd

Obviously people only complain if they see a fault! THAT is the way in the West...Just look at the video

If you watch the video properly you see it is cut at places...1 eg. between 3:01 and 3:02 there is a cut...and again at 3:03 and 3:04

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...tified-michael-adebolajo-4.html#ixzz2U83McGY6

West Midlands Police and the Crown Prosecution Service apologised to the makers of the documentary for accusing them of distortion and agreed to a payment of £100,000. The statement, released to the media by West Midlands Police, after the High Court hearing, said they now accepted there had been no evidence that Channel 4 or the documentary makers had "misled the audience or that the programme was likely to encourage or incite criminal activity".

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...tified-michael-adebolajo-4.html#ixzz2U8313Tib

Those who have better lawyers always get away! Well, if you loose in court obviously you need to apologize otherwise media bashes you bad esp if the police are involved!

 

[liontk]

@liontk they just told you what to do...didnt really attack you...there is a difference is showing/telling you about something better than forcing it down your throats...i.e. like some mad mullahs back in Pakistan do!




Kid, did you have a chance to see UK? or did you just travel around mini desiland (within UK)...you sound like those goray clean freaks who wont like it in the west but dont mind eating the same paddler's things if they go to Asia!!

No talon, you have me wrong, I eat food from vendors all the time like poutine, frog sticks, shwarmas but they are all wrapped instead if you go to manchester, you will find the food literally out in the open and not covered at all. This is not to say that i did not enjoy the place, edinburgh was simply awesome and familie had a place in Bolton, which was really good out there in countrie. Also Uk has best pakistan food ever, I went to a restaurant called Naweb, it is a must go so I am definately not biased completly towards UK(love the queen ) but I definitely saw some wierd things for sure hehe.

 

[Cherokee]

okkk...thats twisted



Obviously people only complain if they see a fault! THAT is the way in the West...Just look at the video





Those who have better lawyers always get away! Well, if you loose in court obviously you need to apologize otherwise media bashes you bad esp if the police are involved!

They Lost in court so obviously they had no firm grounds . That's all . I would go by the judgement of the court in a democratic country rather than on an opinion . That documentary had nothing wrong in it .

 

[liontk]

Youth are a lost generation in this country and have no purpose in life...Most smoke weed and narcotics and are prolific alcoholics.Since most have no job or other source of income so they have to get money for their addictions by crime.
No surprise that most crimes here are committed by youth and law is lenient for them and they can get away with it.

About your visit to Mosque "For spiritual prayers" .. well yes it does matter how you perform the rituals..According to shia or Fiqah Jafriah..you are not supposed to hold your hands together and leave them open..But all other Fiqah prefer Holding hands on chest or above/below belly button.
Islam strives to keep originality in all rituals,and that's why a fellow Muslim might have pointed out a supposed "Error" but you may have told him you follow a different fiqah and he hadn't said anything more.

What is 'fiqah', sorry for asking and by any chance are you referring to dominational sects and in that case no I am have non-dominational hopefully it does not matter. However my point was that prayers point is to self analyse yourself, so I mean you can do that in any way you holding head, doesn't matter the way you fold or hold your hand, or wear a skull cap otherwise wouldn't islam prayer be like other religion be a ritual , when it isn't

Anyways lets get back to the topic, by the way are you from Britain because you seem to know alot abut the countrie.

 

[Amaa'n]

ok first thing, this was a religious gathering, call it a tableeghi procession , the hate speech was not given as part of khutba before friday prayer. hence only those will attend this gathering who already have been radicalised, those who do not want to hear it will / can simply leave. for those who attend or sit through it , the idea has already been planted in their mind,, so it does not matter whether they sit in a mosque to this idiot or go home and watch it on youtube ( as this has been the case with many people) and that brings us to the original question, where did this all started.
anyway, talking about the hate preacher sitting in birmingham, care to explain who let him in? allot of mullahs from pakistan, saudia, african region visit UK for same purpose and yet everytime they are allowed in. why is this the case?

here... take your time!

Dispatches - Undercover Mosque on Vimeo

btw.. weed is good. If you try some... it may reveal you to yourself!

 

[Safriz]

What is 'fiqah', sorry for asking and by any chance are you referring to dominational sects and in that case no I am have non-dominational hopefully it does not matter. However my point was that prayers point is to self analyse yourself, so I mean you can do that in any way you holding head, doesn't matter the way you fold or hold your hand, or wear a skull cap otherwise wouldn't islam prayer be like other religion be a ritual , when it isn't

Anyways lets get back to the topic, by the way are you from Britain because you seem to know alot abut the countrie.

Without sounding like discouraging you from following whatever religious/Spiritual path you are following..for which i cannot be the judge and jury...
All i can say is that the difference between Paganism and Islam is that in Islam all procedures are set and well defined and following those procedures exactly as they are is called Islam.
In Paganism you can invent your own prayer the way you find appropriate.....even can invent gods...
So a prayer your way is just a prayer ... But Islam wants us Muslims to Pray as Allah and The prophet Muhammad (PBUH) asked us and want us to pray.... and there is / are set procedures for doing that..
Trying to invent one's own way is called "Bidaat" or "bid'ah" try googling it.

 

[liontk]

Without sounding like discouraging you from following whatever religious/Spiritual path you are following..for which i cannot be the judge and jury...
All i can say is that the difference between Paganism and Islam is that in Islam all procedures are set and well defined and following those procedures exactly as they are is called Islam.
In Paganism you can invent your own prayer the way you find appropriate.....even can invent gods...
So a prayer your way is just a prayer ... But Islam wants us Muslims to Pray as Allah and The prophet Muhammad (PBUH) asked us and want us to pray.... and there is / are set procedures for doing that..
Trying to invent one's own way is called "Bidaat" or "bid'ah" try googling it.

My point was that if you do something like prayer for example without thinking what you are saying then you won't be analysing yourself or your actions(isn't this the reason you pray surah fateh'a every rekah), otherwise it would just be a ritual and I am just as guilty of that as anybody since prayers tend to be in arabic langue, and sometimes i do not think about the meaning. Do you get what i mean or am i being totally vague anyways what are the solutions to fixing this problem in UK at this minute. To me it seem like youth and unemployment are a definite strong catalyst for these activities as witnessed earlier from the riots there.

 

[livingdead]

ok first thing, this was a religious gathering, call it a tableeghi procession , the hate speech was not given as part of khutba before friday prayer. hence only those will attend this gathering who already have been radicalised, those who do not want to hear it will / can simply leave. for those who attend or sit through it , the idea has already been planted in their mind,, so it does not matter whether they sit in a mosque to this idiot or go home and watch it on youtube ( as this has been the case with many people) and that brings us to the original question, where did this all started.
anyway, talking about the hate preacher sitting in birmingham, care to explain who let him in? allot of mullahs from pakistan, saudia, african region visit UK for same purpose and yet everytime they are allowed in. why is this the case?

many of them are british born. Nobody knew they will cause trouble when their parents immigrated. Secondly prior to 9/11 many such things were tolerated, and is not specific to muslims, other groups have also been hosted in Uk, like LTTE. Now a days they are checking background giving visa, till recently UKBA did not know how many people that entered UK have left.

UKBA is epic fail, everybody knows that, even UK govt. Even with this disgraceful record, they paid themselves bonus last year.

 

[sur]

its very common among some african cultures to keep changing religion from christianity to islam and back..In the same house you find brothers and sisters following different religions....and mixing matching religions.
I knew a man from congo who knew full salaat and could read Quran but also beleived jesus as son of God and went to church
So their religios status is as confused as it can get...

Confused they are
(youtube.com/watch?v=jlM7bYP8YNM)



Same is true for ppl like taliban & tribals & others who play at the hand of handlers, doing bad things. They are passionate about religion BUT have NO understanding of it. No concepts. They buy whatever stupidity is fed to them by ignorant so-called scholars. Actually many of such "scholars" are themselves either altogether-fakes(like ISI caught many fake clerics) or fanatics on payroll of agencies. Just few examples are:




*(LINK) Litvinenko alleged that Ayman al-Zawahiri, a prominent leader of al-Qaeda, was trained for half a year by the FSB in Dagestan in 1997 and called him "an old agent of the FSB"



*Fake-clerics were arrested by Former DG ISI Gen. Ziauddin Butt(LINK)
"Soon after we dismantled a powerful network and captured 22 (twenty-two) RAW agents (Hindus) posing as "maulvis" (posing as Islamic clerics)."



*MI-6 rats that recruited mentally ill patsies:(LINK)
Haroon Ashid Aswat is an MI6 double agent - YouTube



*CIA recruited a fanatic cleric who was banned by Turkey itself. CIA helped him get refugee in US & funded his NGO. CIA used him to spread his "radical" views:
03:55+
Who Is Graham Fuller? - YouTube!



*FBI\CIA also coercing others to follow suit:
When they say Al-CIAdah supported attack, it says it all. It's CIA\FBI supported plot.
Operation Smooth - The Canadian Connection to Global "Terrorism" - YouTube



*Ted Gunderson ex-FBI:
youtube.com/watch?v=RRaezLTU2a0
youtube.com/watch?v=YZ2VpfUqRoo

 

[dravidianhero]

My very thoughts...went through some trauma!!

Prob racism against blacks while growing up all coming into action now or something...Just my guess

yeah this moron seems to have a serious psychological problem.in this case he used islam to vent his frustration.if he had not converted to islam he would have done something similar to this but with a different pretext.It is also true tht islam can act as a catalyst for such psychoes.

 

[Amaa'n]