With a range of 4,500 km .. Learn about the "Sukhoi 35" fighters that Egypt bought

[Abdelrahman]

Israel's time-line to destroy the entire Egyptian AF is a couple of hours any time of the day....

ِAnd why didn't they do that in 1973 war despite being far technologically advanced than the EAF? I think you meant to say it's the Israeli time-line to destroy your obsolete air force, not the Egyptian one.

 

[Abdelrahman]

PAF F16 has successfully downed Su-30 while it was carrying Israeli EW, avionics etc!!! Not to mention it was being guided and protected by Israeli AWACS and ground based AD!!! On top of it, a Israeli pilot was also inside that plane....

But this can never happen by those who cry to Israel to modernize their F-4 Phantoms, the crap of the 50th, so that they can pursue flying.

 

[MMM-E]

Wonder if US will sanction Egypt for this or not.

smart the US/Israel/France use puppet SISI's Egypt as a pawn to fight Turkiye

Do we need Su-35 to counter the Turkish F-16C operating AIM-120B with 73 km range while we have R-27ER missiles with up to 130km range and R-77 missiles with up to 110km range on our Migs? Not to mention the current Rafale armament and the rest that coming?

Turkish F-16Cs armed with 120km AIM-120C7 networked air to air missiles and Boeing E-7T AEWC with 600km MESA Radar for network centric warfare via Link-16 datalink


btw Russian junk R-77 is joke and your RVV-AE (export version of R-77) is nothing to do with 110km
even India is not happy with export version of R-77

 

[_NOBODY_]

Do we need Su-35 to counter the Turkish F-16C operating AIM-120B with 73 km range while we have R-27ER missiles with up to 130km range and R-77 missiles with up to 110km range on our Migs? Not to mention the current Rafale armament and the rest that coming?

We buy weapons for any possible enemy in a volatile region, not for a single or certain nation in particular.

Yet I agree that purchasing Su35 was a great decision. Thanks to the political leadership that took a decision that should have been taken decades ago, and pushed to implement it in a record time.

TUAF F-16s use AIM-120C7 which is vastly superior to the best of the best Russian BVRs.

 

[vostok]

@vostok
Do you know if any progress was made with the missile and if it works with Su-35?

I think it is already in production and compatible with Su-35.

 

[Abdelrahman]

TUAF F-16s use AIM-120C7

Military Watch Magazine has another opinion.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...h-fighter-would-prevail-in-a-clash-over-libya

The only reliable sources stating that were rumors dating back to 2014 of a "desire" of purchase for F-16s and F-35s as it was intended.

which is vastly superior to the best of the best Russian BVRs.

How did you know? In all cases, Russian BVRs are the only way through which you can defend against a probable Israeli aggression for example. In clear words, specially for those countries who signed the CISMOA.

There was some news about Egypt signing the CISMOA in 2018, may be for the Scalp Storm Shadow on Rafales, or whatever. That was the main reason why Egypt is going to get not less than ~100 Russian fighter jets with their armament. Those countries that signed the CISMOA with only American weapons, can not even decide who to fight against without an American approval. This inability was obvious even in 2010 after Mavi Marmara aggression. We don't want to get weapons that can only be used against other muslims or against devastated nations with no armies like Syria, Libya or Iraq, while they can't be used against American babies and vassal states even if they are not enemies at the time being. They also tried to block weapons to Egypt in particular out of all Arab or Muslim states because they count for the same reason.

Of course you all know well what CISMOA agreement obligates its members to do. AKA lose of sovereignty. The Egyptian refusal to sign it for decades + Israel QME were the main reasons why Amraams were blocked for Egypt (it is not a big national achievement lol).

 

[Vapour]

Do we need Su-35 to counter the Turkish F-16C operating AIM-120B with 73 km range while we have R-27ER missiles with up to 130km range and R-77 missiles with up to 110km range on our Migs? Not to mention the current Rafale armament and the rest that coming?

We buy weapons for any possible enemy in a volatile region, not for a single or certain nation in particular.

Yet I agree that purchasing Su35 was a great decision. Thanks to the political leadership that took a decision that should have been taken decades ago, and pushed to implement it in a record time.

The below is a US DSCA from 2014 on about a possible sale of 145 AIM 120C-7 missiles to Turkey. Imagine the C-7s have a slightly longer range than C-5s Pakistan has, so we're talking around 110-120KM and that is quite competitive considering the avionics onboard the Turkish F16s:

https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/turkey-aim-120c-7-amraam-missiles

 

[Vapour]

Sorry but i don't think PAF F-16s have Israeli stuff on them. Thats India that uses Isreali avionics and weapons on there fighter planes not Pakistan. That was an Su-30mki that was shoot down too and which had Isreali avionics on them as well. That is a correction to what you are said.

That's what he meant.

 

[Abdelrahman]

The below is a US DSCA from 2014 on about a possible sale of 145 AIM 120C-7 missiles to Turkey. Imagine the C-7s have a slightly longer range than C-5s Pakistan has, so we're talking around 110-120KM and that is quite competitive considering the avionics onboard the Turkish F16s:

https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/turkey-aim-120c-7-amraam-missiles

I know this source that was referred to in Wikipedia, and it was the only reliable source that talked about a "possible" sale in 2014, but found no confirmation on the completion of this sale.

Article published by Military Watch Magazine only one month ago stated that they have only AIM-120B with 75Km range. Quoted below.

Military Watch Magazine has another opinion.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...h-fighter-would-prevail-in-a-clash-over-libya

The only reliable sources stating that were rumors dating back to 2014 of a "desire" of purchase for F-16s and F-35s as it was intended.

 

[Gomig-21]

Su-30MK launching an R-77 (KnAAPO)

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And hopefully it is the RVV-SD that we end up seeing in the EAF with this Su-35 as well as the MiG-35s. There is still confusion as to whether that export version is available yet or not, or whether the R-77s we've been seeing on the MiG-35 are the AE or SD version. Either way, if it isn't, I think it will be jumped on immediately as soon as it is available.

However, the long burn AND short burn R-27 in all its versions should be the immediate A2A main missile for the Su-35SE until we know what is happening with the RVV-SD and where that is since those R-27s are absolute killers! Wow, and of course, the R-37M which we do know is available. We should see that hopefully at some point and we'll need to get a hold of the SIPRI weapon's sheet for this aircraft when it arrives in Egypt and is available.

In the meantime, you -- being the main man around here! -- had posted about this missile in the Armed Forces thread and I just saw this article. Veracity of it is TBD, but if there is any truth to this information, then we can say that the SCALP has a Russian partner in the EAF, the Kh-59MK2.

New Egyptian Su-35 jets will have Russian super missile: photos
By
News Desk
2020-05-26

BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:40 P.M.) – The Russian media recently reported on Egypt’s acquisition of the Russian-made Su-35 jet, which they are expected to take hold of in the near future.

Although this deal aroused great resentment on the American side, and despite Washington’s pressure on Cairo, Egypt was determined to possess these fighters because it has a great deal of power that would represent a strong leap for the Egyptian Air Force.

It is known that these fighters are the most powerful interceptor fighter known to date, and were specially designed to control the airspace and prevent other fighters from being in the sky, but the distinctive feature of these fighters is that they possess a super missile that has no counterpart yet.

Russian super missilesaidpvo.livejournal

This fighter possesses the winged missile “Kh-59MK2”, which is a tactical missile for fixed targets with a range of 550 km for the Russian version, and less than 300 km for the export version, equipped with a warhead weighing 700 kg, with a speed of 1000 km per hour.

These missiles are anti-target ground guided by inertia and then the active radar with an electro-optical system to identify the target and increase the accuracy of the hit with an error rate of 3 – 5 meters.

Russian super missilesaidpvo.livejournal
These missiles possess a highly destructive super warhead, and they are fired from at a flying speed of 550-1100 km/hr max.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-egyptian-su-35-jets-will-have-russian-super-missile-photos/

 

[Vapour]

I know this source that was referred to in Wikipedia, and it was the only reliable source that talked about a "possible" sale in 2014, but found no confirmation on the completion of this sale.

Article published by Military Watch Magazine only one month ago stated that they have only AIM-120B with 75Km range. Quoted below.

I generated this with a quick search, but hopefully it's authentic enough - right near the end, in the final section (Jan 2012 update), it mentions 107 AIM 120C-7s:

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article21.html

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

TUAF F-16s use AIM-120C7 which is vastly superior to the best of the best Russian BVRs.

But only very limited in numbers and it's very expensive. Turkey ain't getting more due to western sanctions amid Erdogan's threat to Israel. So what they have is what they have and can't be replaced.

In any event, R-37M used on Su-35 is vastly superior to AIM-120C7. Su-35 has first see first shoot against F-16C.

 

[Philip the Arab]

I generated this with a quick search, but hopefully it's authentic enough - right near the end, in the final section (Jan 2012 update), it mentions 107 AIM 120C-7s:

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article21.html

Whoever has AWACS in combat wins, all Egypt has to do is use R-37Ms and take out Turkish AWACS and they will be absolutely crushed. Remember Feb 27?

 

[Vapour]

Whoever has AWACS in combat wins, all Egypt has to do is use R-37Ms and take out Turkish AWACS and they will be absolutely crushed. Remember Feb 27?

AWACS would be well outside the range of any AAM, so no threat there. IAF also had an AWACS in the air during the combat of 27th Feb.

 

[Philip the Arab]

AWACS would be well outside the range of any AAM, so no threat there. IAF also had an AWACS in the air during the combat of 27th Feb.

R-37M Has 400km range bro, not well outside of the range of missile. They operated where data link was jammed so they recieved no info hence it would be the exact same without an awacs in the air.