With a range of 4,500 km .. Learn about the "Sukhoi 35" fighters that Egypt bought

[The SC]

With all due respect your Su-35 won't be able to do much against Israel F-15s and F-16s in air to air battles unless you get a capable AEW&C that can work with Su-35.

No worries buddy.. you seem to have forgotten the Egyptian F-16s, the Rafales and the Mig-35s..The SU-35s are AWACSs on their own with a 400 km range Radar.. HaHa..

Also nothing escapes this beauty in a 650 km radius..

E-2C Hawkeye (9 of them)

Radar AN/APS-145 360°
Detects Combat aircraft distance of up to 550 km
Cruise missiles from a distance of 268 km
Monitor and track 2000 targets at the same time
Directs 40 air missions simultaneously
Covers 25 million cubic km in a single air pass

Add 3 EC-130H Compass Call EW/ELINT

SEAD Suppression of Enemy Air-Defense
IW Information Warfare

Beechcraft 1900C Intelligence, Surveillance & Reconnaissance ISR

 

[The SC]

@Gomig-21

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26th June, 2008

Assessing Russian Fighter Technology

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The MiG-35 Zhuk AE AESA multimode radar designed by Phazotron is the first Russian AESA design and is expected to spawn AESA upgrade packages for a number of regional Flanker variants (RSK MiG).

Abstract​

This paper performs a comparative assessment of Russian technology employed in contemporary fighter aircraft and associated systems and weapons. Models of future air combat are defined and discussed. All categories of basic systems technology are then consecutively compared against their US or other Western equivalents. Finally, fighter types are compared to the first order. [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]In conclusion, the notion that contemporary production Russian fighters are inferior in technology, performance and overall capability to their US/EU peers is largely not correct, and predicated on assumptions about Russian technological capabilities which ceased to be true a decade or more ago. ​

• Introduction
• Twenty First Century Aerial Combat
• Comparing Basic Technologies
• Type vs Type Comparisons
• Endnotes:
• References and Bibliography

Introduction

Russia's military aircraft manufacturing industry is riding high at this time, with massive and ongoing orders for hundreds of modern fighter aircraft since the end of the Cold War, primarily delivered to clients in Asia. India is acquiring what is likely to be in excess of 200 Su-30MKI Flanker H, China has cumulative orders for more than 400 Su-27SK/J-11A Flanker B, Su-30MKK/MK2 Flanker G, Su-33 Flanker D, and Su-27SKM Flanker B+, Malaysia is receiving its first Su-30MKM Flanker H+, Vietnam and Indonesia now operating mixes of Su-27SK/Su-30MK Flanker B/G, Venezuela has ordered the Su-30MK, as has Algeria. Speculation continues over Iran's claimed intent to buy 250 Su-30MKM, while India assesses the new AESA equipped MiG-35 Fulcrum F. Rosoboronexport is diligently marketing the new Su-35 Flanker E+, recently unveiled at the MAKS2007 air show.

Western analysts remain divided over the explosive growth of Russian fighter sales. Some still see these aircraft to be in the class of Cold War designs, lagging behind Western equivalents, others are often uncritically enthusiastic about these aircraft. Where does the truth lie?

Su-27M/Su-35 Flanker E (KnAAPO Image)​

Twenty First Century Aerial Combat


Aerial combat in the coming decades will be dominated by players who have command of information over their opponents, and are able to exploit that advantage offensively. Information has become the new high ground in the game of aerial combat. Globally, and especially in Asia, this has been reflected by sustained high levels of investment in capabilities historically operated only the US and NATO nations, such as AWACS/AEW&C and networking of combat aircraft, AWACS/AEW&C, and ground based surveillance systems.

Concurrently we have observed strong investment in counter-ISR systems, intended to render AWACS/AEW&C impotent. Such systems include very long range air to air missiles such as the Russian R-37/AA-13 Arrow and R-172/K-100 intended to destroy AWACS/AEW&C, but also capable ground based jamming systems like the SPN-2/4/30 series, Pelena 1, Topol E and supporting ELINT systems like the Orion/Vega 85V6 series.

There are two fundamentally different views currently espoused in assessing the future of aerial combat.

One view, popular in some Western defence bureaucracies is the 'asymmetrical model' of aerial warfare, which makes the assumption that Western nations will have a one-sided advantage in combat conferred by the possession of AWACS/AEW&C and networking, which is uniformly assumed not to be a future capability operated by any potential opponents. On this basis, it is then assumed that fighter aircraft can have low performance as their role in aerial combat will be primarily as stand-off missile trucks, shooting at opposing combat aircraft in long range beyond visual combat. As the opponent is assumed to always be dumb, and neither operate AWACS/AEW&C and networking, nor be capable of understanding the situational picture, the low capability fighter is assumed to prevail most of the time. The best regional example of this philosophy in practice is the Canberra DoD which has elevated the low performance F/A-18F and JSF above the F-22A Raptor using the 'asymmetrical model' as a justification.

The much more conservative view of future aerial combat is the 'symmetrical model', which assumes that all substantial players will own and competently operate AWACS/AEW&C and networking, and will deploy ground based jammers and long range counter-ISR missiles to threaten all airborne ISR capabilities. The most visible proponents of the 'symmetrical model' are the US Air Force, who have invested heavily in the very stealthy supercruising F-22A Raptor precisely to be able to penetrate deeply into hostile airspace and kill off an opponent's AWACS/AEW&C, and other ISR and counter-ISR assets. In practice, we can expect the 'symmetrical model' to play out across the battlespace, with both sides jamming each other's ISR and networks, and aiming to shoot down each other's ISR platforms. Whether an AWACS/AEW&C platform is killed by a 200 nautical mile range R-172 missile or an F-22A armed with an AIM-9X or AIM-120D is an entirely academic argument. It is entirely possible that in some conflicts the attrition or high risk of attrition of ISR platforms may force both sides to withdraw them rather than lose them, leaving fighters to fend for themselves, creating an environment not unlike the air battles of the 1940s.

The US Air Force are seeking around 400 F-22A Raptors for precisely these reasons, but have been repeatedly frustrated by the Washington DoD bureaucracy who are unwilling to release the necessary funds. While we have seen little in the way of rational argument to support this conduct to date, what little argument is visible tends to be manifestations of 'symmetrical model', i.e. “advanced F-15Cs are good enough since we have AWACS and networking ....”.

Analysts who have studied Russian technology exports and counted the ongoing sales of fighters, missiles, AWACS/AEW&C aircraft, networking, ELINT and jamming equipment, uniformly share the view that the reality of future air combat will be much closer to the 'symmetrical model' than the 'asymmetrical model' seen over Iraq in 1991 and 2003, and over the Bekaa Valley in 1982. Nevertheless defence bureaucrats in many Western nations remain firmly wedded to the 'asymmetrical model', with its implicit assumptions of Russian inferiority in all basic technologies used for air combat.

In sizing up Russian combat aircraft against their Western rivals, the nature of future air combat is critical, since it determines what priorities should be applied to specific capabilities and performance parameters in fighter aircraft, their systems and weapons.

Comparing Basic Technologies


Basic technologies determine what kind of airframes, propulsion, systems and weapons can be employed by either side in a conflict. The side with a significant lead in basic technology will prevail, all else being equal, due to the performance and capability gains that lead confers.

Perhaps the most foolish of the popular misconceptions of Russian basic technology is that which assumes that the US and EU maintain the technological lead of 1-2 decades held at the end of the Cold War. Alas, nearly two decades later, in a globalised, digitised and networked world, the US retains a decisive lead only in top end stealth technologies, and some aspects of networking and highly integrated systems software. The Russians have closed the gap in most other areas, but importantly, have mastered the difficult embedded software technology so critical for radar and electronic warfare systems, as well as sensor fusion, networking and engine and flight controls. The Russians are working very hard at closing the remaing gap, with the planned PAK-FA fighter to be properly shaped for low observable and very low observable stealth capability.

The latest Russian MiG-35 Fulcrum F and Su-35-1 Flanker E+ both illustrate this in a very convincing manner.

NIIP Irbis E Prototype (Tikhomirov NIIP).​

Radar – the MiG-35 Fulcrum F is equipped with a Phazotron Active Electronically Steered Array (AESA) which is the same basic technology used in the F-22A's APG-77, the F/A-18E/F's APG-79, the F-16E's APG-80 and the Eurofighter's AMSAR. The Su-35-1 Flanker E+ is currently intended to carry a 20 kW hybrid ESA Irbis E radar, which is comparable to the technology in the Rafale, but boasts the largest antenna in any agile fighter, and peak power and range performance claimed to be competitive against the F-22A's APG-77. The Russians have also invested considerable effort into modern radar pseudo-noise waveform coding techniques, a key feature in recent US radars. In terms of technology the US now has only an incremental lead in active TR module technology and software, and EU little if none. Given the larger size of Russian radars compared to their US peers, in terms of raw range performance the Russians equal or better all except the F-22A's APG-77.

The Zhuk MSF/MSFE (above) is a passive ESA design intended to compete against the NIIP N011M BARS. It uses a Phazotron unique radial distribution arrangement in the backplane waveguide feed, and proprietary radiating element placement. The Zhuk MSFE has a .98 meter diameter aperture with 1662 radiating elements, and was developed for the Su-30MK3 Flanker G avionic suite intended for the PLA-AF.

Radio Frequency Threat Warning – RF threat warning systems, comprising radar warning receivers, Radar Homing and Warning Systems, and Electronic Support Measures, have seen aggressive growth over the last decade with the advent of high density Gallium Arsenide or GaAs chips, commercially used in TV and mobile telephony. The most capable Western system is the F-22A's ALR-94 which is a channelised receiver, while the latest Russian Khibiny M system intended for Su-35-1 Flanker E+ is also a channelised receiver. What incremental lead the US and EU retain is primarily in GaAs chip packaging and software.

Russian manufactured GaAs 4-bit phase shifter MMIC die.​

Radio Frequency Jammers – the most important developments over the last decade have been the advent of Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) and towed decoy technologies. The Russians have mastered the former and have offered it for export (MSP-418K) some years ago, and are now offering the Lobushka towed decoy, claimed to be comparable to the US ALE-50. Some Russian jamming equipment is much more refined than Western equivalents, the KNIRTI Sorbstiya jam pod carried by numerous Flanker subtypes boasts a wideband phased array RF stage, much more effective against monopulse emitters, and more sophisticated than the wideband horn or lens emitters in Western equivalents.

Monolithic Thermal Imagers – the EU holds the lead in this technology with production dual band Quantum Well Imaging Photodetector (QWIP) technology, unlike the US and Russia still in the latter development stages. In deployed systems, the US generally still retains a lead with midwave InSb technology. Given the commercial accessibility of such devices, Russia is likely to be integrating them into systems within 3-4 years.

Al-41FU supercruise powerplant.​

Supercooled Engine Blades – the Russians announced over a year ago low rate Initial Production (LRIP) of the AL-41F engine, designed originally as a supersonic cruise equivalent to the F-22A's P&W F119-PW-100. The hot end technology used in the AL-41F core has since migrated also into the AL-31F-117C variant for the Su-35-1. Cited performance figures for these engines indicate the Russian industry has closed much of the gap the US opened with the F119/F135 family of the engines.

Engine FADEC – Full Authority Digital Engine Control systems are now available for a range of more recent Russian engines, including the AL-31F-117C. Whatever lead US and EU manufacturers may have is now only incremental, and mostly in maturity of software.

Thrust Vectoring Nozzles – to date the only full production Western air combat fighter with TVC capability is the F-22A, while the Russians have exported 2D TVC in the Su-30MKI, and offered 3D TVC for other types. Russian TVC is integrated with the flight controls, not unlike the F-22A arrangement.

Digital Flight Control Systems – the Russians demonstrated their first quadruply redundant DFCS in the Su-37 during the 1990s and now offer it as an option for the Su-30MK series, Su-35 and likely as an MLU option for Su-27SKM rebuilds. The only incremental advantage held by US and EU manufacturers is in greater maturity of embedded software, an advantage which will not last.

Radar Absorbent Materials and Structures – the US still retains a lead in this technology, but the Russians continue to make robust advances in coatings, laminates, and other controlled impedance technologies. Much of the Russian effort to date has been focussed on reducing the signature of conventional aircraft, rather than the US focus on fully shaped new designs. Russian Kazantsev laminates have demonstrated 100 fold signature reduction in the X-band, and recent citations indicate that robotically applied inlet tunnel coatings (Flanker) have achieved a 30 fold reduction in X-band signature. These are significant performance achievements, insofar as they challenge existing reduced signature US designs like the F/A-18E/F. While the US still leads at the top end of this technology, the Russians have closed much of the gap in 'commodity' technologies for treating conventional and legacy fighters.

Airborne Datalinks and Networks – the Russians have long been users of digital datalinks, primarily for GCI and AWACS support of interceptors. During the 1990s they invested heavily in intraflight datalink technology intended to network flights of fighters, and the TKS-2 system currently exported on Flankers provides the capability to share sensor data between multiple aircraft. The Russians are now offering an equivalent to the JTIDS/Link-16 system on their latest fighters. What advantage the US and EU retain in this technology is primarily in the maturity of software and protocol designs, another gap which will not last.

Inertial and Satellite Navigation Equipment – the advantage held by the US over Russia at the end of the Cold War has largely evaporated in this area, in part due to the wide availability of RLG and GPS technology in the global market. The US still retains a strong lead in wide area differential GPS technology.

Su-35BM/Su-35-1 cockpit.​

Glass Cockpit Technology – the US introduced Active Matrix LCD panel displays during the early 1990s, with the Russians closing this gap using commodity technology some years ago. All current production Russian fighters use glass cockpits, and the Su-35-1 will employ two large area panels emulating in AMLCD technology the projector screen arrangement in the Joint Strike Fighter.

Agat AAM seekers. Left to right: 9B-1101K dual plane monopulse semi-active homing seeker used in R-27R1/ER1, 9B-1348E active radar homing seeker used in R-77 variants, and 9B-1103K active radar homing seeker for R-27EA (Agat).

Active Radar Guided Missile Seekers – At the end of the Cold War the US led globally with the digital AIM-120A/B AMRAAM and AIM-54C Phoenix missiles. Since then the Russians have closed much of this gap with the R-77 Adder's Agat 9B1348, and its derivative 9B1103M for the R-27 missile. The most recently reported subtype of this seeker uses the same Texas Instruments TMS320 digital processor as is used in most Western radars and seekers. What technology gap remains is in the maturity of embedded software and packaging.

ElectroOptical Guided Missile Seekers – the latest scanning digital seekers used in the R-73/R-74 Archer series of heatseeking missiles are a generation behind the seekers in the AIM-9X, Python 4 and ASRAAM, but given the ease with which Rafael produced the EO guided Python 5, this gap could close very quickly. The lack of Russian investment in this area suggests that the capability of the late model R-73/R-74 is regarded to be adequate.

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KAB-1500L Laser Guided Bomb. This Russian weapon is a 3,000 lb class equivalent to the US Paveway II/III series weapons (GNPP image).

KAB-1500Kr Electro-Optically Guided Bomb training round.​

KAB-500SE satellite aided inertially guided bomb.​

Guided Bomb Technology – since the end of the Cold War the Russians have widely expanded the technology they employ in smart bombs. The KAB-500/1500 series is a hybrid of aerodynamic features from the US HOBOS and Paveway series, available with Lock On Before Launch Electro-Optical Correlator guidance comparable to the EGBU-15 series, semi-active laser homing guidance comparable to the Paveway series, and most recently satellite/inertial guidance comparable to the JDAM series. The only decisive technology lead the US holds is in the GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bomb. All of the mature US, EU and Israeli guided bomb types are now matched by a range of Russian equivalents.

What this excruciating survey of basic technology tells us is that there is little to differentiate the basic technology which goes into a current MiG-35 or Su-30MK/35 and that being put into a current production F-15SG or F/A-18E/F Block II Super Hornet. In most technologies the Russians have matched and in some instances even outperformed US and EU manufacturers. The main advantages still held in most categories by the US and EU are in maturity, and this is only a short term advantage.

In turn, what this tells us is that in most of the sensor, systems and weapons technologies which go into a conventional fighter, the Russians have caught up with and in some areas exceeded the capabilities of the US and EU. Comparing then fighters type by type, accounting for comparable systems and weapons, the determinant of superiority will lie in conventional metrics such as sustained top speed, acceleration, climb rate, specific excess power, and instantaneous and sustained turn rate.


Type vs Type Comparisons


In terms of type vs type comparisons, the most problematic issue is the vast range of variants, subtypes and unique configurations across the US, EU and Russian made fighter fleets. Asking whether a Flanker is better than an F-15 raises the question of which Flanker and which F-15? Su-27S, Su-27SK, Su-27SKM, Su-33, Su-30, Su-30M, Su-30MKK, Su-30MKI, Su-30MKM, Su-35, Su-35BM or Su35-1 vs F-15A/B, F-15C/D, F-15E, F-15I, F-15J, F-15K, F-15SG, and all of the specific blocks and configurations thereof?

If we compare a late model AESA equipped F-15K/SG subtype against the late model Su-35BM/Su-35-1, both likely to be rolled off a production line at the same time, these Flankers will outperform these F-15s in much of the flight envelope, especially at transonic speeds. With the AL-41F engine the Flanker will be able to sustain decent supersonic speed on dry thrust, giving it an energy advantage throughout the envelope. How much supercruise capability the hybrid AL-31F-117 series engine will provide remains to be seen. With conformal fuel tanks the F-15 will have comparable range to the Flanker with external PTB-2000 drop tanks. Equipped with the Irbis E the Sukhoi will achieve a first look / shot capability over the F-15 with an APG-63(V)2 AESA radar. In terms of EWSP capability, the Sorbstiya jammers will deliver better EIRP than the legacy ALQ-135 series, and the Khibiny-M will be comparable to the ALR-56M series. An area of uncertainty is how much of their newer radar signature suppression technology the Russians will incorporate in export Flankers.

In performing an overall summary, the Flanker will outperform or match the F-15 in most cardinal parameters and capabilities.

The other production Boeing fighter is the F/A-18E/F Block II Super Hornet with its much vaunted APG-79 AESA radar. The Su-35BM/Su-35-1 outperforms it on all cardinal parameters, including radar range, but excluding the somewhat academic measure of clean radar signature – academic since in combat external stores must be carried by both fighters.

Lockheed's F-16E / Block 60 subtype with AESA and conformal fuel tanks is not competitive against the Su-35BM/Su-35-1 on any parameters, the Sukhoi cleanly outclasses it across the board.

The Lockheed-Martin F-35 JSF will be outclassed in all cardinal performance parameters, with the exception of radar signature when the JSF is flown clean with internal stores only. That advantage may also be entirely academic if the Flanker is networked with low frequency band radar to cue it to the JSF. It is also not entirely clear whether the radar signature of the export variants of the JSF will be low enough to deny lock-on by the powerful Irbis E at useful missile ranges.

The Eurofighter Typhoon with AMSAR will compete with the Su-35BM/Su-35-1 in terms of close combat agility and dash speed, but it does not have a decisive advantage in systems and sensors and cannot match the radar range of the Irbis E, and will not match a supercruise engine equipped Flanker.

The Dassault Rafale share many qualities with the Typhoon, but is smaller, and much the same comparisons apply to the Su-35BM/Su-35-1.

A key advantage the Flanker will possess against all but the conformal tank equipped F-15 is combat persistence, which provides far more flexibility in choosing engagements and the opportunity to run an opponent out of gas.

The smaller MiG-35 shares the high agility of the Su-35BM/Su-35-1, but lacks its brute force in raw performance, combat persistence, radar range, and internal volume for mission avionics. All of the Western fighters will compare more favourably against the MiG-35 series, but this may be another entirely academic comparison given that none have been ordered as yet.

F-22A Raptor (U.S. Air Force photo)​

The only Western fighter which offers a decisive advantage in all cardinal parameters over the Su-35BM/Su-35-1 is the Lockheed-Martin F-22A Raptor. On internal fuel and subsonic profiles the Flanker will outrange the F-22A slightly, and it is likely that in high alpha low speed manoeuvre the Flanker may perform better. However, in the classical high altitude high speed long range missile combat regime the Raptor will beat the Flanker every time due to the generational advantages of all aspect wideband stealth and supersonic cruise.

In conclusion, the notion that contemporary production Russian fighters are inferior in technology, performance and overall capability to their US/EU peers is largely not correct, and predicated on assumptions about Russian technological capabilities which ceased to be true a decade or more ago. The disdain toward the Flanker shown by many senior bureacrats in Western defence establishments reflects, sadly, nothing more than their lack of insight and understanding as to how far the Russians have progressed since 1991 in a globalised high technology economy.


https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2008-04.html

 

[_NOBODY_]

No worries buddy.. you seem to have forgotten the Egyptian F-16s, the Rafales and the Mig-35s..The SU-35s are AWACSs on their own with a 400 km range Radar.. HaHa..

Also nothing escapes this beauty in a 650 km radius..

E-2C Hawkeye (9 of them)

Radar AN/APS-145 360°
Detects Combat aircraft distance of up to 550 km
Cruise missiles from a distance of 268 km
Monitor and track 2000 targets at the same time
Directs 40 air missions simultaneously
Covers 25 million cubic km in a single air pass

Add 3 EC-130H Compass Call EW/ELINT

SEAD Suppression of Enemy Air-Defense
IW Information Warfare

Beechcraft 1900C Intelligence, Surveillance & Reconnaissance ISR

Your E-2s won't be able to work with non NATO aircrafts. You also can't link NATO fighters with non NATO fighters. Which is why you need an AWE&C platform that can work with Migs, Su-35 and Jeff(if you buy it).

 

[The SC]

Your E-2s won't be able to work with non NATO aircrafts. You also can't link NATO fighters with non NATO fighters. Which is why you need an AWE&C platform that can work with Migs, Su-35 and Jeff(if you buy it).

There are pictures of formations of Migs, Rafale and F-16s with the E-2Cs.. meaning they are linked..

 

[_NOBODY_]

There are pictures of formations of Migs, Rafale and F-16s with the E-2Cs.. meaning they are linked..

Migs can never be linked with E-2s. It is strictly forbidden to link a non NATO fighter with a NATO AWE&C, Sweden is the only country that doesn't mind this hence we were allowed to use our homemade link 17 on Jeffs with our Erieyes but if you look at our F-16s we can never link them with Chinese ZDK-03 unless we want sanctions.

 

[The SC]

Migs can never be linked with E-2s. It is strictly forbidden to link a non NATO fighter with a NATO AWE&C, Sweden is the only country that doesn't mind this hence we were allowed to use our homemade link 17 on Jeffs with our Erieyes but if you look at our F-16s we can never link them with Chinese ZDK-03 unless we want sanctions.

They can be linked through C4i..Egypt has its own..

 

[Agha Sher]

With all due respect your Su-35 won't be able to do much against Israel F-15s and F-16s in air to air battles unless you get a capable AEW&C that can work with Su-35.

IAF's f-35 will turn the Su-35 into scrap metal. Egypt is far behind. These fancy expensive weapons are not for Israel but for Turkey.

 

[Mohammed23188]

IAF's f-35 will turn the Su-35 into scrap metal. Egypt is far behind. These fancy expensive weapons are not for Israel but for Turkey.

Not true , F-35 could beaten by Sukhoi . Stealth is a minor advantage in F-35 that can't make a signifinant change .

Also F-35 still suffering from problems
Lockheed Martin F-35 has 873 deficiencies
https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/lockheed-martin-f-35-has-873-deficiencies/136481.article

 

[Kingslayerr]

What kind of AAM egypt has orderd with this jet and mig35? And what do they currently use?

 

[Agha Sher]

Not true , F-35 could beaten by Sukhoi . Stealth is a minor advantage in F-35 that can't make a signifinant change .

Also F-35 still suffering from problems
Lockheed Martin F-35 has 873 deficiencies
https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/lockheed-martin-f-35-has-873-deficiencies/136481.article

You don't know what you're talking about. Egypt would lose a one or two squadrons of fighters for each f-35 kill.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/air-force-f35-red-flag-exercise

 

[Mohammed23188]

You don't know what you're talking about. Egypt would lose a one or two squadrons of fighters for each f-35 kills.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/air-force-f35-red-flag-exercise

Of course they would claim that but Israel will lose all the F-35 fleet in any war with Egypt .

Unlike the Flankers, which have impressive fuel reserves, smaller aircraft like the F-35 are heavily dependent on Air-to-Air Refuelling (AAR) tankers for persistence, and AWACS for network centricity. The F-35’s dependency on front-aspect stealth for survival forces “nose cold” entry into combat and heavy reliance upon off-board AWACS data for situational awareness, lest it give its position away by using its radar. A few indiscrete sweeps could trigger the sensitive ESM systems of the Flanker E Plus.

In low-observable operations, the F-35 will likely carry a maximum of four air-to-air missiles and operational planners must make an agonising choice between the long range AIM-120 and the close combat AIM-9X missiles. This is a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ decision.

If four AIM-120s are carried and they don’t kill all enemy fighters, then the inevitable result will be that the much faster Sukhois and/or MiGs will run the defenceless F-35s down and kill them from close range with R-73/74 missiles or GSh-301 gunfire.

If two AIM-120s are dropped for two AIM-9Xs, then the Beyond-Visual-Range capability is halved, increasing the chance of the F-35s being run down and engaged within-visual-range (WVR) by the Sukhois, which enjoy a substantial advantage in energy, height, speed, agility, range and number of missile shots available.

The Lockheed Martin briefing cited by Janes exposed a further serious defect in these F-35 simulations, which is the unrepresentative 72 percent / 31 percent / 7 percent mix between Beyond Visual Range / transitional / close combat engagements. With only four missiles and inferior egress speeds, deadly ‘end game’ WVR engagements are more likely than BVR engagements.

Where have you addressed the inevitable situation where the F-35 JSF runs out of missiles, or gas, or both, and must disengage and head for home with a super cruising Su-35BM, renowned for its large fuel reserves, rapidly closing for a 6 o’clock shot?

 

[Agha Sher]

Of course they would claim that but Israel will lose all the F-35 fleet in any war with Egypt .

Unlike the Flankers, which have impressive fuel reserves, smaller aircraft like the F-35 are heavily dependent on Air-to-Air Refuelling (AAR) tankers for persistence, and AWACS for network centricity. The F-35’s dependency on front-aspect stealth for survival forces “nose cold” entry into combat and heavy reliance upon off-board AWACS data for situational awareness, lest it give its position away by using its radar. A few indiscrete sweeps could trigger the sensitive ESM systems of the Flanker E Plus.

In low-observable operations, the F-35 will likely carry a maximum of four air-to-air missiles and operational planners must make an agonising choice between the long range AIM-120 and the close combat AIM-9X missiles. This is a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ decision.

If four AIM-120s are carried and they don’t kill all enemy fighters, then the inevitable result will be that the much faster Sukhois and/or MiGs will run the defenceless F-35s down and kill them from close range with R-73/74 missiles or GSh-301 gunfire.

If two AIM-120s are dropped for two AIM-9Xs, then the Beyond-Visual-Range capability is halved, increasing the chance of the F-35s being run down and engaged within-visual-range (WVR) by the Sukhois, which enjoy a substantial advantage in energy, height, speed, agility, range and number of missile shots available.

The Lockheed Martin briefing cited by Janes exposed a further serious defect in these F-35 simulations, which is the unrepresentative 72 percent / 31 percent / 7 percent mix between Beyond Visual Range / transitional / close combat engagements. With only four missiles and inferior egress speeds, deadly ‘end game’ WVR engagements are more likely than BVR engagements.

Where have you addressed the inevitable situation where the F-35 JSF runs out of missiles, or gas, or both, and must disengage and head for home with a super cruising Su-35BM, renowned for its large fuel reserves, rapidly closing for a 6 o’clock shot?

The only thing your impressive fuel reserve will do is a bigger fireball. After the F-35s has launched their deadly payload, they will utilize their advanced sensors and EW to completely blind the Egyptians. You will not know what is going on, until Sisi's palace is burning. Even if your Su-35 with their vastly inferior sensors, ECM and EW should detect the F-35 while they are retreating, you will run into a pack of IAF's F-15 waiting at the border to turn the rest of your air force to scrap metal.

The Israelis are superior in tactics and technology. You do not stand a chance.

 

[Mohammed23188]

The only thing your impressive fuel reserve will do is a bigger fireball. After the F-35s has launched their deadly payload, they will utilize their advanced sensors and EW to completely blind the Egyptians. You will not know what is going on, until Sisi's palace is burning. Even if your Su-35 with their vastly inferior sensors, ECM and EW should detect the F-35 while they are retreating, you will run into a pack of IAF's F-15 waiting at the border to turn the rest of your air force to scrap metal.

The Israelis are superior in tactics and technology. You do not stand a chance.

True ,Only if the SU-35 has no radar, no active or passive counter measures, no MAWS and only one working engine .

Missiles are never 100%... why do you think the F-35 carrys a gun?
In passive radar homing mode an R-77-1 could detect an incoming AMRAAM with its ARH seeker active and attack it .

With very limited internal space for weapons and external weapons ruining its stealth capabilities the F-35 will be at a serious disadvantage against an Su-35... which is faster, and has longer flight range, carries rather more ready to fire missiles and also has a gun and very powerful radar and IRST and datalink.

Assuming the sophisticated self defence suites and likely towed jammers mean neither has effective missiles then it comes down to guns and manouver capability and also speed and range to determine who can run away from whom... and I think you will agree the F-35 cannot run and wont likely be able to hide either.

Su-35 has a range of optical and radar sensors for detecting enemy aircraft, including wing mounted L band radar AESA array antennas.

Even assuming they don't work there are plenty of long wave ground based sensors that would be working with the Flanker to detect the F-35 at long range.

As the Su-35 approaches the F-35 it will be fired upon with AMRAAMs, but its EW capabilities should protect it from them, just as the R-77s probably wouldn't get a decent lock. The long range IR guided R-27TETs might be interesting as stealth aircraft like the B-2 have been detected using IR sensors.

Either way it will eventually come down to maneuvering and guns and in that case my money is on the Su-35... faster, more weapons, more maneuverable, longer flight range.

A better idea to deal with F-35 you just need a stealth mig-21 with Pak-fa's OLS and ground based long range radar to guide them to the target. It will have a small rcs like 0.001 and would be detected by F-22 from 50 km while the OLS will detect them at 60-100 km.

 

[LeGenD]

Not true , F-35 could beaten by Sukhoi . Stealth is a minor advantage in F-35 that can't make a signifinant change .

Also F-35 still suffering from problems
Lockheed Martin F-35 has 873 deficiencies
https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/lockheed-martin-f-35-has-873-deficiencies/136481.article

Sorry man, but you are misreading a source. Those 'problems' are internal criticism of the program - points to be looked into and sorted out in time. They do not suggest F-35 being the dud.

F-35 is on entirely another level of capability in comparison to Su-35, if (versus) was your focus.

 

[Gomig-21]

Most likely some Stealth RAM coating..

Bro.. just remember what the Egyptian pilots could do with the Antique Mig-21.. _with all my respect to your screen name.._ remember that "crazy pilot" and many like him and the Arab aces in 67 and 73..!?

Have Glass is the code name for a series of RCS reduction measures for the F-16 fighter. Its primary aspect is the addition of an indium-tin-oxide layer to the gold tinted cockpit canopy, which is reflective to radar frequencies.

You can see it quite visibly in the majority of the EAF's F-16s and even the B and D models with 2 seats, you'll see the pilot's front glass section only in this goldish tint state while the backseater's interestingly isn't. There's a reason for that, actually.

But I also noticed the MiG-35s cockpit glass is also all gold tinted as well. Something you don't usually see a lot in Russian aircraft or maybe I just never really noticed it. I think it's the former rather than the latter.

But in certain lights and angles, it isn't as visible but in others, it slaps you in the face like in this pic of the Raptor.

lol, that's pretty goldie if you ask me!

Maybe the fighter jets themselves are obsolete to the extent that they may fall out of the sky if they trynna do such Kubra things

Really, though, it would be great to see an EAF airshow using the military aircraft instead of just the Silver Stars in their K-8s, right? Take the leader of the squadron and work a routine with him, get him to practice it enough times and get out there and perform it. With all the capabilities of these jets in the EAF's arsenal now, they can pick and choose and heck even the F-16 can put on one heck of an aerial display.

Maybe once the new capital is built and they restart the 6th October military parades like they said might happen? They could easily add that to the format as a new thing, although, I don't know if you remember, even during the unfortunate and ill-fated day of Sadat's assassination, the brand new Mirages (either the 2000s or the Vs I'm not sure which ones exactly) were flying in tight formation and doing a loop in a 6-ship formation or something like that. So they used to do it to a certain extent. Would be very nice to get one of the Su-35 pilots trained and comfortable in it and let him loose!