Will Iran enter to the war against Israel?

[Shams313]

 

[IndianLite]

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[khansaheeb]

The Muslim world should uproot Israel from the Middle East once and for all.

At least De-Nazify it. Jews aren't bad people until they are lead by Nazis then they turn ugly but then that is true for most nations.

 

[Harbyharb]

You can bet the day Iran tests a bomb - Israel will wipe Iran off.

I do not believe that is the case.
While I doubt it would result in nuclear conflict regardless (Israel is incredibly casualty averse), Israel's nuclear deterrence is hard to be described as watertight - of all the so called "illegal nuclear powers", Israel is the only one that did not conduct >10k TNT equivalent tests, only a ~3k equivalent test that cannot be confirmed to be nuclear in nature. On top of that, the delivery vehicle for their nuclear power, the Jericho III IRBM have seen very few launch tests compared to what other IRBMs traditionally needed to be accepted into service.
Either Israel's nuclear power is fundamentally flawed, or they are doing a really poor job of demonstrating it.

And even China and Russia will support Israel.

Unfortunately you might be mistaken.
China's traditional diplomatic position have always been calling for "reject unilateral use of force, cease unfair treatment against Palestinians"
Russia have traditionally had a fairly snug relationship with Israel in the last 30 years, unfortunately that ship have sailed last year when Israel decided to follow up with the "west" in striking Russia with sanctions, seizing Russian properties and assets, in the wake of the SMO. Compared to the close ties that Russia have with the "Axis of Resistance" these days (such as the exchange of military technology), I find it hard to assume Russia would support Israel.

 

[Mirzah]

Oh! Dear!

And then you wonder why Muslims are dehumanised!

Behave like an wild animal - get treated like one!

Taxi driver mentality!!!

Stop molesting Israeli women on The internet will you malu?

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[Talha Ali]

This latest bout of violence and war in Gaza, seems like a ploy by Americans, Jews and Turks, to get Iran involved in a war and finish it for good.

No one is going to come to the aid of Gaza, mark my words, and I hope Iranian leadership doesn't get carried away and fall for this.

Palestinians need to get rid of stupid Hamas or they ll keep walking into these death traps again and again.

 

[Shams313]

Stop molesting Israeli women on The internet will you malu?

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[Bengal71]

World war 3 morale booster for Muslim countries.

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Here is the morale booster for Muslims:

 

[jhungary]

I've seen several questions you asked on how Iran can fight Israel in a ground war. Unfortunately, the answers you got aren't complete. I'll try to give you a complete answer.

Targettig America's logistical hubs with missiles will ensure that Israeli soldiers cannot enter Iran by land. Iran can strike EVERY SINGLE American military base in the Middle East, which leaves America with the option of air strikes only.

Iran has proxies and intelligence assets allover Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. These proxies number in the hundreds of thousands and are armed with guided missiles. They will be a source of intelligence for Iran's precision missile and drone strikes on any approaching U.S./Israeli ground force. This is not to mention the skirmishes with these proxy forces.

First of all, you missed one thing, US Carrier Battle Group. The entire design of Battlegroup is to use its 2 Marine MEU to make beachhead on any given shore, and then followed by seaborn and/or airborne invasion. Set aside whether or not you can destroy all US infrastructure in the area. You can't destroy a complete CBG, and even if you do, there are 4 Active CBG and 4 Reserve CBG out of the 10 carriers and 11 LHA US Navy had that can be deployed in the coast.

On the other hand, unless you destroy US bases in Oman, Kuwait, Turkey and Saudi Arabia as well, and drag these 4 countries into a war against Iran, and especially in Turkey case, you will not only bring Turkey into a war, but the entire NATO. US Forces can always invade Iraq and Iran from these 4 opening.

America's most sophisticated fighter planes are the F22 and F35. But certain Iranian missiles outsrip the range of these planes. Considering that Iran has distributed these missiles across the Middle East, including in Yemen, not even carrier-based aerial refueling tankers can help these planes because they'll be vulnerable to missile fire.

The capability of these plane is not range, although it is one of its advantage. The issue is not these plane per se, but the munition they carries. A F-35 can launch a JASSM from beyond 400km away, that mean for Iran to have to defend their air space, Iran will need to extend that air defensive zone to that level, or Iran are technically going to be attacked by US at will. That's the definition of standoff range.

The issue here is the further you extend your defence zone, the more ground (or sea) you will have to cover, that's tangent to a circle principle, it's simple mathematics

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Now, Iran with limited Air Asset cannot be possibly patrol and defence the entire zone, so either you are going to see Iran will A.) Allow missile coming in unchallenged or B.) Chasing strike in groups. While Option A will not degrade Iranian Aerial capability (it still will indirect by destroying ground asset such as Runway or FRAP) but it will degrade Ground base capability and limited Iran option to make war. Option B will see Iranian Airgroup venture out of Iranian ground base air defence, and they will be met with a both numerical and technological superior US Air Force. We don't even need to talk about F-22 and F-35, how does Iran deal with the hundreds of F-15, F-16, F-18 fighters?

Iran has proxy soldiers right on Israel's borders (Lebanon and Syria). But Israel doesn't have any forces on Iran's borders. Degrading Israeli airports with missile strikes will ensure that Israel cannot launch an effective aerial campaign that can slow down invading Hezbollah forces. With the proliferation of anti-tank guided missiles and precision drones, tanks won't be a game changer (we saw this in the Armenia war 2020).

Iran cannot move tanks into Israel. Israel too cannot move tanks into Iran. Both sides face obstacles. However, Hezbollah can still capture Israeli territory WITHOUT tanks. Humans today can face tanks if they have the right weapons and fight in a favourable terrain. Hezbollah has those weapons, and the terrain is also permissive.

That is the whole point.

There are no point of a war between Iran and Israel if it was limited to missile/proxy exchange. Because Iran is doing that with or without an official state of war declared already

On the other hand, we aren't talking about Israel launching any type of offensive to Iran, that is a no-go from day 1, because Israel attacking Iran will only served to unite all the different Islamic fraction in the area, unless Israel is fancy to fight another 1948 or 1967 war which is against the entire Arab.

Planes are Israel's most powerful weapons. But their dependence on runways and airports make them vulnerable and unreliable. Ukraine quickly lost control of its skies because Russia obliterated its airports and runways. Today, Hezbollah alone can do this to Israeli airports.

First of all, Ukraine had not, and still has not lose control of their sky. Russia cannot fly in Ukraine at will and Ukrainian did shot down Russian sorties by their own Airforce. And it's mostly agreed Russia till today failed to gain Air Superiority in Ukraine, and that's a commonly acknowledged fact.

On the other hand, I don't know which eras you are living in, today Air Force don't really depends on traditional airfield for operation, fighter and other can launch their sorties just about from anywhere, highway, desert. On the other hand, you are talking about missile damage to Airfield, missile is a point to point weapon comes with low payload (usually less than 100KG) that payload won't be able to paralyse any sort of reinforced airfield. You will need serious ordinance (such as 2000 pound JDAM) to be able to do some damage to aerodome. Otherwise it will be a quick patch work.

And don't forget that Bashar Al-Assad has a defence pact with Iran and has tanks and sits on Israel's borders. Russia is seething with rage over America's arming of Ukraine. America indirectly killed thousands of Russian soldiers through Ukraine. I'm not a supporter of Russia, but this was Biden's BIGGEST MISTAKE. Russia will never forget nor forgive the U.S. for that. They will arm Iran with missiles that will sink lots of American ships, including carriers. It'll be the bloodiest war in U.S. history. Because of this very possibility, Israel WILL NOT invade the whole of Gaza.

Well, facts are, it's the Iranian who's arming the Russian, not the other way around. Russia is at no position to open another war unless they want to call their war in Ukraine off. Russia is seriously trapped in that war and with over 300,000 of its soldier (from a 900,000 force) being engaged in it, I would say they probably can't even send their PMC to Syria because they will be going over there with nothing, every tanks, and every artillery Russia had is tied down in Ukraine, which mean if whatever Russia would send, it would be their "ace in a hole" Russian Air Force, the problem is, Israel Air Force is not exactly in the same as Ukrainian Air Force. If Russia send any Air Asset over to Syria and partake in that war they are most likely going to lose it, that would doom both their advantage of the Middle East and Ukraine.

On the other hand, as I said before, we are not talking about Israel going into South Lebanon or Iran to fight, we are talking about Iran and Hezbollah come into Israel for a war, there are virtually no point for any military operation for Israeli to go outside their border.

 

[IndianLite]

I do not believe that is the case.
While I doubt it would result in nuclear conflict regardless (Israel is incredibly casualty averse), Israel's nuclear deterrence is hard to be described as watertight - of all the so called "illegal nuclear powers", Israel is the only one that did not conduct >10k TNT equivalent tests, only a ~3k equivalent test that cannot be confirmed to be nuclear in nature. On top of that, the delivery vehicle for their nuclear power, the Jericho III IRBM have seen very few launch tests compared to what other IRBMs traditionally needed to be accepted into service.
Either Israel's nuclear power is fundamentally flawed, or they are doing a really poor job of demonstrating it.

Unfortunately you might be mistaken.
China's traditional diplomatic position have always been calling for "reject unilateral use of force, cease unfair treatment against Palestinians"
Russia have traditionally had a fairly snug relationship with Israel in the last 30 years, unfortunately that ship have sailed last year when Israel decided to follow up with the "west" in striking Russia with sanctions, seizing Russian properties and assets, in the wake of the SMO. Compared to the close ties that Russia have with the "Axis of Resistance" these days (such as the exchange of military technology), I find it hard to assume Russia would support Israel.

Israeli tests are done with the French. France and Israel cooperate on nuclear armaments. I think France was the most recent testers in their pacific island colonies.

US/U.K. share the same technology. In fact, U.K. bombs cannot be fired without US consent.

 

[Bengal71]

The first signs of Iran involving in war will happen in south Lebanon.

Secondly, NO Muslim country will risk its existence to join USA in war with Iran base on Palestine cause.

That mean USA only can attack Iran from sea.

No, be sure the Saudis will allow US to launch strikes from their airbases.

 

[Bengal71]

I've seen several questions you asked on how Iran can fight Israel in a ground war. Unfortunately, the answers you got aren't complete. I'll try to give you a complete answer.

Targettig America's logistical hubs with missiles will ensure that Israeli soldiers cannot enter Iran by land. Iran can strike EVERY SINGLE American military base in the Middle East, which leaves America with the option of air strikes only.

Iran has proxies and intelligence assets allover Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. These proxies number in the hundreds of thousands and are armed with guided missiles. They will be a source of intelligence for Iran's precision missile and drone strikes on any approaching U.S./Israeli ground force. This is not to mention the skirmishes with these proxy forces.

America's most sophisticated fighter planes are the F22 and F35. But certain Iranian missiles outsrip the range of these planes. Considering that Iran has distributed these missiles across the Middle East, including in Yemen, not even carrier-based aerial refueling tankers can help these planes because they'll be vulnerable to missile fire.

Iran has proxy soldiers right on Israel's borders (Lebanon and Syria). But Israel doesn't have any forces on Iran's borders. Degrading Israeli airports with missile strikes will ensure that Israel cannot launch an effective aerial campaign that can slow down invading Hezbollah forces. With the proliferation of anti-tank guided missiles and precision drones, tanks won't be a game changer (we saw this in the Armenia war 2020).

Iran cannot move tanks into Israel. Israel too cannot move tanks into Iran. Both sides face obstacles. However, Hezbollah can still capture Israeli territory WITHOUT tanks. Humans today can face tanks if they have the right weapons and fight in a favourable terrain. Hezbollah has those weapons, and the terrain is also permissive.

Planes are Israel's most powerful weapons. But their dependence on runways and airports make them vulnerable and unreliable. Ukraine quickly lost control of its skies because Russia obliterated its airports and runways. Today, Hezbollah alone can do this to Israeli airports.

And don't forget that Bashar Al-Assad has a defence pact with Iran and has tanks, and sits on Israel's borders. Russia is seething with rage over America's arming of Ukraine. America indirectly killed thousands of Russian soldiers through Ukraine. I'm not a supporter of Russia, but this was Biden's BIGGEST MISTAKE. Russia will never forget nor forgive the U.S. for that. They will arm Iran with missiles that will sink lots of American ships, including carriers. It'll be the bloodiest war in U.S. history. Because of this very possibility, Israel WILL NOT invade the whole of Gaza.

I have no comment on anything you said but the last few lines.

Russia itself is getting missiles from Iran. Russia doesn't have any missile Iran doesn't have except for ICBMs.

 

[jauk]

Yeah, but not majority of Iran Miliary. I mean how many tanks you have in Lebanon? How many fighter you have in Lebanon, and how many gunship you have in Lebanon? Or are you supposed to bum rush the Israeli with lightly armed infantry.........I mean, they have tanks, APC, Attack Chopper and even AC-130 style gunship waiting on those border, and you will have to breach their border, because you want to go into Israel and fight them, they have no intention on going into Lebanon or Syria

You also need material to fight a war, bullet, grenade, mine and all those have to come from Iran,, which mean constant supply from your home soil, how those gonna go thru and into Lebanon or Syria?

You’re missing fundamentals of Iranian capacities and today’s modern warfare doctrine. Iran has a huge advantage. Israel’s ‘air superiority ‘ is as effective as the landing strips and return journey they can’t have while kiloton missile strikes are raining on them as a country with only a few kilometers wide.

Ask the US who experienced only a minuscule of Iran’s capacity. And of course others around the region.

Ask Ukraine who’s being devastated with the most elementary of Iranian tech.

Ask The Resistance who is now a superior fighting force because of Iran.

Ask the Zionists who just got swept a few days ago and now face a checkmate position.

Ask Iran who has all obvious elements of nuclear devices and similarly obvious a hidden nuclear state. Bang.

 

[PakAlp]

Unless have WMD warhead in them, Ballistic missile like minutemen have a payload of less than 500kg (IIRC minutemen payload is around 270kg, which is roughly 500lb) if they are loaded with High Explosive, they are probably a bit more destructive than small Mk82 snake eye bomb.

It will not be effective then, Usa has massive fire power, from air and from the ocean. 200 F35s attacking Iran, backed with missiles. It would cause alot of damage to Iran, they will target and destroy all bases, airports, seaports in Iran.

Iran can only respond with missiles but usa aircraft carriers and destroyers will shoot them down. If Usa aircraft carriers do sink or Tel Aviv is destroyed then a few nukes could be dropped on Tehran, which most likely will lead to Iran surrendering.

Iran certainly needs a strong airforce with BVR missiles, destroyers and submarines with long range ballistic missiles and nukes. So if Tehran is destroyed, they will still have a 2nd strike capability.

Map where Usa aircraft carriers are based. Faar from Iran but capable to strike Iran, Hizbollah and Syria.

 

[jhungary]

You’re missing fundamentals of Iranian capacities and today’s modern warfare doctrine. Iran has a huge advantage. Israel’s ‘air superiority ‘ is as effective as the landing strips and return journey they can’t have while kiloton missile strikes are raining on them as a country with only a few kilometers wide.

Iran has huge advantage? How? Care to explain to me how Iran had any advantage if they don't drag three other nation and the entire NATO into war?

Otherwise, you are talking about hundreds of US sorties launch from Oman, Kuwait, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and also the 2 CBG that can literally level the entire Iran in hours.

Ask the US who experienced only a minuscule of Iran’s capacity. And of course others around the region.

On the other hand Iran is the one that exposed to minimal US capability, ask Iraq what 1/10 of US capability are, and ask Taliban what 1/8 of US capability are.

Ask Ukraine who’s being devastated with the most elementary of Iranian tech.

Ask Russia how is their progress in Ukraine this entire 2023??

Ask The Resistance who is now a superior fighting force because of Iran.

Yet it was South Lebanon that was devastated back in 2006. And not to mention Gaza 20 years ago or even now.

Ask the Zionists who just got swept a few days ago and now face a checkmate position.

LOL. It's seeming like it was Hamas that's facing a checkmate. What Hamas did in military term is very minimal, 49 soldier killed, probably 17 checkpoints destroyed. And that cost them up to 2000 fighter. Then there are roughly 300,000 IDF soldier inchy to get inside Gaza to hunt the last one of them, how many train Hamas fight do you think they have?

Ask Iran who has all obvious elements of nuclear devices and similarly obvious a hidden nuclear state. Bang.

Are you for real? First of all, Iran don't have nuke, the best they can do is strip fuel rod and make dirty bomb. You need to be able to refine Uranium concentrate enough to be able to put it on a warhead, and then you need to be able to detonate that warhead without detonate the nuclear core, and the second part you can't hide it because it has to be actual detonation, that's exactly why we know North Korea had nuke when they publicly detonate one of their MIRV. If Iran had nuke, they would have already tested it and the world would know about it, unless you are talking about Iran is stashing a Petaflop supercomputer somewhere underground that they can simulate the process.

On the other hand, even if Iran had nuke, they would be gone too because Israel also has nuclear device.