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Will Egypt join Iraq in the 'Axis of Resistance'?

Your brave PKK run away to Europe, hide in caves instead of fighting us like men. lol. But, this is what you are proud of.
Turks are not running to Europe to avoid war, unlike Iraqis.

This is something to be proud of:

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These are Iraqis.

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They don't look old to me, or women. lol

Let me make it simple so you understand.

They (these are iraqis from parts not affected by isis, neither required to fight isis are there's no conscription) are using the refugee crisis where Europe/US opened their doors to make it to the west and live a better life. Their motivation of migration is economical not due to lack of safety. For the same reason, millions of Turks live in Europe Today. Economic reasons.
 
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Your brave PKK run away to Europe, hide in caves instead of fighting us like men. lol. But, this is what you are proud of.
Turks are not running to Europe to avoid war, unlike Iraqis.

This is something to be proud of:

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These are Iraqis.

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They don't look old to me, or women. lol
Millions of Turks after end of ww2 migrated to Europe especially Germany as 24/7/365 workers to rebuild Europe and get some money. Nowdays 3rd and forth generation of those emigrants live in Germany.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...fears-rising-tensions/?utm_term=.9f1063b07b59
 
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In other words, they don't care for the country they were brought up in?

Maybe some don't? Just as i know many Turks who opted to drop their passport/nationality instead of paying 10.000 Euro's and not having to do military service. The others pay that 5k back then, 10K since 2012 or so and do their few months of service. Seems like barely any of them want to complete the full year of conscription.

Just as.. hundreds of thousands voluntarily go to fight isis. Why do i need to explain the obvious.
 
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Millions of Turks after end of ww2 migrated to Europe especially Germany as 24/7/365 workers to rebuild Europe and get some money. Nowdays 3rd and forth generation of those emigrants live in Germany.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...fears-rising-tensions/?utm_term=.9f1063b07b59
Yes, they were GUEST WORKERS. The Germans were smart to exploit them. They wanted the workers to stay in Germany all year round, and brought their families with them.
Did I say we don't have Turks living in Europe?
Over 250,000 German Turks have returned back.(Google is your source).
And lets not call them all Turks, they can be Kurds, these will never be sent back, and they be counted as Turk.
Turkey was a poor country, and we still are a little. But, they did not run away from war. which is what I am saying.
 
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Well Well Well... To be honest Whatever Happen in Middle East btw sunni/shia will always stay like that till one... is no more...

For Sissi... mhh... is a man who want to be the next mubarak... few billions $ used for useless military equipment instead of helping his own country, while ppl are starving in the south, nearly half of Egypt can't read or write, no basic healthcare insurance etc.... . So in conclusion whateever Egypt will join any axis... the answer is yes, a man who want more power will always betray whoever he wants even his own God....
And to the guy who say " sissi is against shitty extremism that's why he joined Bachard" then what about those innoncent he killed? no gonna tell him , that what he has done was wrong? not even that?
And for those praising EGypt... remember that egypt was always like that in his past, playing in both side for power, thinking they are better than the others... whatever ithat was the pharaons , mamluks or today, same shit there... same wheel over and over.
And for those pro bachar syrians remember Nasser and what he has done to your country back in the day...
Egypt will always play a card for his own benefit, not for the sunni nor for the muslims, only egypt, that's why this country was always separated from the group around him, whoever the time in history. It's called arrogance.

PS: ofc I'm speaking to those elite and whoever share the same view...
 
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Maybe some don't? Just as i know many Turks who opted to drop their passport/nationality instead of paying 10.000 Euro's and not having to do military service. The others pay that 5k back then, 10K since 2012 or so and do their few months of service. Seems like barely any of them want to complete the full year of conscription.

Just as.. hundreds of thousands voluntarily go to fight isis. Why do i need to explain the obvious.
I never said no Iraqis fight ISIS. but many seem to prefer to get a free housing in Europe. And you cannot deny this.
 
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I never said no Iraqis fight ISIS. but many seem to prefer to get a free housing in Europe. And you cannot deny this.
Who doesn't?

Turks prefer that as well, that's why they pat 10.000 euro's to skip conscription.. AND YOU CANNOT DENY THiS
 
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Who doesn't?

Turks prefer that as well, that's why they pat 10.000 euro's to skip conscription.. AND YOU CANNOT DENY THiS
I will actually. the ones that run away are clearly non-Turks. and PKK lovers. :)
We have a lot of them unfortunately. and if they want to bugger off to Europe, I am happy for them. ;)
Also. I love being a wolf. :yay:

Anyways back on topic. Good luck to Iraq and Egypt
 
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Vocal support, enabling popular support through the media is what i meant.

Vocal support as in describing the ground realities and talking about the reasons why suddenly such large masses begin to protest against an government in a neighboring country?

What were they supposed to do? To praise Al-Malikis divisive policies that contributed to the mess that was and unfortunately still is, Iraq?

Was it KSA's fault that Al-Malikis administration used fake bomb detectors for almost 1 decade? That corruption was almost unrivaled anywhere else? That Al-Maliki and his friends stole billions from the Iraqi budget? That some of the biggest if not the biggest bank robberies occurred during his time? That little development occurred in Southern Iraq which has been mostly peaceful for the past 8 years if not 10 years? That Basra, which could potentially rival Dubai in terms of richness, was mostly incredibly underdeveloped? The electricity, water and sewage problems?

Should KSA have praised an ungrateful person (former refugee in KSA and ironically a person of Najdi origins) for his policies that were never friendly towards the GCC? Or should he have been rewarded for being one of the biggest Wilayat al-Faqih fans?

What shall we say about Dawa hosting Houthi representatives and other hostile policies?

It works both ways.

That's why Iraq needs a sane and patriotic leadership and then everything can be solved through discussion and engagement.

A more recent example. KSA finally decides to appoint an ambassador that lives in Iraq (Baghdad) and not Amman. They chose one with ancestral ties to Iraq. He gets there and most is fine. He meets Shia leaders, clerics, tribal leaders, politicians, people of importance etc. Suddenly in one interview he questions the role of SOME Shia militias that have been accused of wrongdoings, and hell breaks lose. To the point that he gets open death threads from those militias and is the victim of a blot to assassinate him.

This is a man that traveled to Najaf and Karbala a few times and met with Shia clerics.

Dififcult in such conditions.

Or the constant crying and blaming that we here from certain Shia Arabs. As if Iraq was a paradise before 2003. Net time they will blame KSA for Saddam, Al-Qasim, the monarchy and what not. It's an obsession by those people.

However now it is the time of Turkey. The new scapegoat. Who knows what it will become next year?

Pre-2003 it was Iran for decades.

I mean all this is a symptom of the region.

Check out that post by our supposed "Kuwaiti" Half-brith half-Baloch (of all people speaking about "real" countries) below @Khafee
 
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In my opinion, Egypt must eventually choose between Turkey and the Gulf states, in which case I think Turkey will eventually win the Egyptians over.

Aside from the lunatic Erdogan, Turkey probably still has a better future than the Gulf states. For one thing, unlike the Gulf states, Turkey is a "real" country with a very strong national identity and proud history. Secondly, from an economic point of view, Turkey is more self-sufficient than the Gulf states, less dependent on non-renewable resources as its main source of income, and much larger than Saudi Arabia and the UAE. As a result, Turkey will find it easier to influence Egypt than the Gulf states would in the coming years.

Two years ago, I predicted the emergence of a Turko-Persian alliance in the coming years. People laughed at the idea and shrugged it off because they felt that Iran and Turkey will never be able to set aside their differences on Syria. Well, today, you can see the foundations of a future Turkish-Iranian alliance being laid out across the region. Both Iran and Turkey have come together to squash Kurdish separatism as well as to benefit from each other's economies. Turkey and Iran found a common ground in their opposition to the establishment of a Kurdish state. Furthermore, the Turks want Iranian gas and oil to meet their energy demands, while the Iranians want Turkish money and gold to strengthen their economy. This economic interdependence between the Iranians and Turks has brought both nations closer to each other.

Egypt will eventually shift closer to the Turkish-Iranian bloc. Egypt will want energy from either Iran or Iraq, and foreign investment from Turkish businesses. In other words, sooner or later, Egypt will move away from the Gulf and align closer with Turkey, Iran and, to a lesser extent, Iraq.

Turkey views Egypt as a gateway into the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. A strong Turkish presence in Egypt can help faciliate the expansion of Turkey's sphere of influence southward into the Horn of Africa, which it will use as a launchpad into the open sea. For these reasons, Egypt is very important for the Turks. It's also important because there are at least 1 million Egyptian Turkmens who have historical links to Turkey.

Iran, on the other hand, views Egypt as a potential deterrent against Israel. An Iranian presence in Egypt, even if minimal, can always keep Israel at bay.

Turkey and Iran's interests in Egypt will not collide with each other. On the contrary, Iran and Turkey will more or less complement each other in Egypt. The Turks will provide the Egyptians with economic investments and military assistance, whereas the Iranians (and Iraqis) will provide the Egyptians with a continuous supply of energy and materials. Egypt will become Iran's gateway into North Africa and Turkey's gateway into the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. It's a win-win situation for all sides involved.

The Gulf states will feel threatened by these developments, of course. The Saudis view Egypt as their first line of defense against any foreign incursion into Saudi Arabia's backyard and sphere of influence. A Turkish presence in Egypt will mean a Turkish presence in the Red Sea, which will greatly alarm the Saudis. Saudi Arabia's interests in Egypt will, therefore, naturally come into collision with Turkey's interests.

For the Saudis and Emiratis, they can't afford to lose Egypt to Turkey or to the future Turkish-Iranian bloc. Interestingly, this will force the Saudis and Emiratis to over-invest in Egypt in order to keep the Egyptians away from the Turks and Iranians. But this can't last forever since the GCC states are running out of both money and energy resources.

Consequently, the Saudis and Emiratis will eventually form closer ties with Israel in order to use the Israelis as a leverage against the Egyptians. The Saudis and Emiratis will also strengthen their ties with the Kurds of the region in order to undermine both Turkish and Iranian regional goals.

Whatever the outcome may be, I think Egypt will gradually drift away from the Gulf states and align closer with Turkey and, to a lesser extent, Iran and Iraq.

Egypt will not assert itself as an independent power until it gets its own house in order and expands its economy. Only then will Egypt be able to become a regional power capable of forming its own independent foreign policies without being influenced by an outside power.
 
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In my opinion, Egypt must eventually choose between Turkey and the Gulf states, in which case I think Turkey will eventually win the Egyptians over.

Aside from the lunatic Erdogan, Turkey probably still has a better future than the Gulf states. For one thing, unlike the Gulf states, Turkey is a "real" country with a very strong national identity and proud history. Secondly, from an economic point of view, Turkey is more self-sufficient than the Gulf states, less dependent on non-renewable resources as its main source of income, and much larger than Saudi Arabia and the UAE. As a result, Turkey will find it easier to influence Egypt than the Gulf states would in the coming years.

Two years ago, I predicted the emergence of a Turko-Persian alliance in the coming years. People laughed at the idea and shrugged it off because they felt that Iran and Turkey will never be able to set aside their differences on Syria. Well, today, you can see the foundations of a future Turkish-Iranian alliance being laid out across the region. Both Iran and Turkey have come together to squash Kurdish separatism as well as to benefit from each other's economies. Turkey and Iran found a common ground in their opposition to the establishment of a Kurdish state. Furthermore, the Turks want Iranian gas and oil to meet their energy demands, while the Iranians want Turkish money and gold to strengthen their economy. This economic interdependence between the Iranians and Turks has brought both nations closer to each other.

Egypt will eventually shift closer to the Turkish-Iranian bloc. Egypt will want energy from either Iran or Iraq, and foreign investment from Turkish businesses. In other words, sooner or later, Egypt will move away from the Gulf and align closer with Turkey, Iran and, to a lesser extent, Iraq.

Turkey views Egypt as a gateway into the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. A strong Turkish presence in Egypt can help faciliate the expansion of Turkey's sphere of influence southward into the Horn of Africa, which it will use as a launchpad into the open sea. For these reasons, Egypt is very important for the Turks. It's also important because there are at least 1 million Egyptian Turkmens who have historical links to Turkey.

Iran, on the other hand, views Egypt as a potential deterrent against Israel. An Iranian presence in Egypt, even if minimal, can always keep Israel at bay.

Turkey and Iran's interests in Egypt will not collide with each other. On the contrary, Iran and Turkey will more or less complement each other in Egypt. The Turks will provide the Egyptians with economic investments and military assistance, whereas the Iranians (and Iraqis) will provide the Egyptians with a continuous supply of energy and materials. Egypt will become Iran's gateway into North Africa and Turkey's gateway into the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. It's a win-win situation for all sides involved.

The Gulf states will feel threatened by these developments, of course. The Saudis view Egypt as their first line of defense against any foreign incursion into Saudi Arabia's backyard and sphere of influence. A Turkish presence in Egypt will mean a Turkish presence in the Red Sea, which will greatly alarm the Saudis. Saudi Arabia's interests in Egypt will, therefore, naturally come into collision with Turkey's interests.

For the Saudis and Emiratis, they can't afford to lose Egypt to Turkey or to the future Turkish-Iranian bloc. Interestingly, this will force the Saudis and Emiratis to over-invest in Egypt in order to keep the Egyptians away from the Turks and Iranians. But this can't last forever since the GCC states are running out of both money and energy resources.

Consequently, the Saudis and Emiratis will eventually form closer ties with Israel in order to use the Israelis as a leverage against the Egyptians. The Saudis and Emiratis will also strengthen their ties with the Kurds of the region in order to undermine both Turkish and Iranian regional goals.

Whatever the outcome may be, I think Egypt will gradually drift away from the Gulf states and align closer with Turkey and, to a lesser extent, Iran and Iraq.

Egypt will not assert itself as an independent power until it gets its own house in order and expands its economy. Only then will Egypt be able to become a regional power capable of forming its own independent foreign policies without being influenced by an outside power.

you forgot one country in your equation... Libya. With egypt support to Haftar, Egypt want her supply of oil from Libya, it's her main goal, not Iran or Iraq or even the saudi ( she's taking it from them bc she has no other choice for now) The main supply will be libya with haftar if he survives...
 
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you forgot one country in your equation... Libya. With egypt support to Haftar, Egypt want her supply of oil from Libya, it's her main goal, not Iran or Iraq or even the saudi ( she's taking it from them bc she has no other choice for now) The main supply will be libya with haftar if he survives...
Excellent point! I never thought about Libya.

If this happens, then Egypt will get closer to Russia as well, since Haftar is currently being propped up by the Russians.

But this will also mean that Egypt will remain on good terms with the UAE. After all, the Emiratis strongly support Haftar against the Turkish- and Qatari-backed Libyan Muslim Brotherhood.

But if el-Sisi gets overthrown and the Muslim Brotherhood returns to power in Egypt, then the opposite will happen. Egypt will sever ties with Haftar and, instead, get closer to the Tripoli-based Libyan Islamists. This will make Egypt move closer to the Turks and Qataris and away from the Emiratis and Saudis. For the Iranians, they will see Turkey as a bridge between their country and an Islamist-ruled anti-Saudi Egypt.
 
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Excellent point! I never thought about Libya.

If this happens, then Egypt will get closer to Russia as well, since Haftar is currently being propped up by the Russians.

But this will also mean that Egypt will remain on good terms with the UAE. After all, the Emiratis strongly support Haftar against the Turkish- and Qatari-backed Libyan Muslim Brotherhood.

But if el-Sisi gets overthrown and the Muslim Brotherhood returns to power in Egypt, then the opposite will happen. Egypt will sever ties with Haftar and, instead, get closer to the Tripoli-based Libyan Islamists. This will make Egypt move closer to the Turks and Qataris and away from the Emiratis and Saudis. For the Iranians, they will see Turkey as a bridge between their country and an Islamist-ruled anti-Saudi Egypt.

Well Haftar has no other choice than Russia, bc of the embargo on libya military equipment. If the UE/USA agreed to give something , Haftar will shift over to them. it's not like he likes russia for what they are, but more for what they can give him, afterall haftar exile in gaddafi times wasn't in Russia but in US soil.... . For the egyptian part, they are already in Russia "supply line" with the last purchase of Kamov helis and so on. Emiratis on the other hand are not pro-russians (UAE use Sissi bc he has an army , so that UAE can get thing balanced in th region) , so conflict will rise in libya in the coming months, btw those three ( Emiratis/egyptians/Haftar) ,since they can't touch Russia, they will pick on his supporter, even if they are " friends" in publics. The fight of power btw the gulf states is just a slf-centric show , like brothers fighting in front of their moms to see who gonna get kissed first... it will end eventually. Meanwhile in Egypt, sissi if overthrown, the brotherhood will not take power, they will act like Ennadha in Tunisia, they will let a "good looking" one take power, play with the rules and then after maybe 5-10years be back on the show. As for Iran , it will be as always in the history of the muslims, " you are my friend bc I don't have a choice for now, but be sure, that you will never be my brother".

Iran is like this little brother, to young to play with his 10 older brothers. He always want to be in and loved, but since he's too diffenrent from the group, he's always rejected, so he will do everything to be seen by his older brothers, whatever the cost... but time goes on and on, he became an adult and learn a terrible truth... his mom wasn't rly his mom... and then he understood the eyes given to him by his older brothers But yet he still have his father, who he can go back too, even if his older brothers don't rly like it... but are forced too
 
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