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Will Egypt join Iraq in the 'Axis of Resistance'?

Iraqi Shia'a leader Asadr is opposed to the Iranian influence in Iraq!?

Muqtada al-Sadr can best be described as an opportunist. However he is not pro-Wilayat al-Faqih or pro-Iran (Mullah's) indeed. Neither is Al-Sistani (an Iranian Arab that has lived in Iraq for most of his life and married an local) as far as I am aware of. The problem is the usual suspects within the Islamic Dawa Party. The likes of Al-Maliki etc. Now hugely unpopular among the people.

Anyway what is needed in the Arab world and region is a strong and independent Iraq. Not a country that acts or is a satellite state. Notice that regional instability has almost always been linked to instability in Iraq. That's not a coincidence.

 
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Iraq will be cleaned from Jahilya Wahabbbism soon. Iraq is a Shia majority and too tooo far from Saudiz.

Saudi Arabia Must Find Cure for ‘Wahhabi Virus,’ Says Iraqi Lawmaker

Most important factor in the war on ISIS is theological, says Mowaffak al Rubaie, a former National Security Advisor of Iraq

BY ASHISH KUMAR SEN
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“The onus is on the Saudi royal family to deprive the Wahhabi religious establishment in Saudi Arabia of money, power, and status,” said Mowaffak al Rubaie, a former National Security Advisor of Iraq who currently serves as a member of parliament in Baghdad. (Atlantic Council/Samuel Skove)

Mowaffak al Rubaie is a former National Security Advisor of Iraq who currently serves as a member of parliament in Baghdad.

In this interview with the New Atlanticist’s Ashish Kumar Sen, Rubaie discusses the war on the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), also known as ISIL and Daesh; the danger posed by Wahhabism; the implications for Iraq of the Iran nuclear deal; and much more. Here are excerpts from our interview.

Q: What is your assessment of President Obama’s Syria and Iraq strategy?

Rubaie: There was a very clear strategy of withdrawing from Iraq at any cost, regardless. That was probably trying to fulfill an election promise. But after that when the Syrian uprising started, and was then hijacked by terrorists, what made things complicated in Iraq and Syria was that this terrorism spread from Syria to Iraq again. We had the June 2014 disaster of Daesh storming four provinces in Iraq. [The Obama] administration has started to think seriously and gradually they increased their engagement in the two countries, but unfortunately with a lot of reluctance.

For example, in Iraq it was a political decision rather than a national security decision to walk out at the end of 2011, after the SOFA [Status of Forces Agreement] expired. Eighteen months after the pullout Daesh stormed four [Iraqi] provinces.

In the last few years, the US administration has looked at the war in Iraq and in Syria as if it is two wars and two different enemies and two different contributing factors. Well, I am sorry, it is the same war, the borders are only imaginary, it is the same enemy. You can’t have [the United States] fighting on the side of Iran in Iraq and against Iran in Syria. So the two policies on both sides of the border were not synchronized.

[The Obama] administration missed a golden opportunity at the beginning of the Syrian uprising and they shied away from helping people until al Qaeda, or al Nusra, and ISIS hijacked that uprising and converted it to a military confrontation with the [Assad] regime.

Q: You mentioned Iran. What do you believe will be the implications of the Iran nuclear deal for Iraq?

Rubaie: I think this nuclear deal has created a positive political environment in the region in general and in Iraq in particular. We benefit grossly from any coordination between the US and Iran and Iraq in the region. Iraq is the fault line between the Arabs and Kurds, Arabs and Persians, Arabs and Turks, Sunnis and Shias, Muslims and Christians. Any US-Iran confrontation or escalation will translate into blood in my country.

Q: What is it going to take to defeat ISIS?

Rubaie: I agree security measures are important, political inclusions are important, injecting cash in the local economies is important, creating jobs is important, education is important, but the single-most important factor is to understand the nature of the challenge. This is an ideological challenge. This is a theological challenge. This is the Wahhabi virus infecting the Sunni community all over the world. From 9/11 to Boko Haram to Yemen to Iraq to Syria to Pakistan to Afghanistan — all over the world.

Q: In which case, is the onus on Muslim states to address this challenge?

Rubaie: The onus is on the Saudi royal family to deprive the Wahhabi religious establishment in Saudi Arabia of money, power, and status.

Q: The Saudis have set up an anti-terrorism alliance. Was it a mistake not to include Iraq, Iran, and Syria in this coalition?

Rubaie: This is not an anti-terrorism alliance. It is an anti-Iran alliance. If they are serious about it they should do soft power. They should address money movement, individual movement, the media, social media, and most importantly the ideology. The largest manufacturing plant of jihadists in the world are the backstreets of Saudi Arabia.

Q: The United States has a deep relationship with Saudi Arabia. Does the United States need to take a stronger line with the Saudis?

Rubaie: I think [the United States] should concentrate and focus on the ideological challenge and apply pressure on the Saudi royal family to stop the oxygen, which is the dollar.

The Saudi royal family should stop funding the Saudi religious establishment and stop them from spreading this virulent virus around the world. They have spent billions and billions and billions of dollars over the last twenty or thirty years to spread it. Now they have to spend a similar amount or even more to rectify it.

Q: How is the US-led coalition, including the Iraqi security forces, faring in its mission to degrade ISIS in Iraq?

Rubaie: I think the US role is pivotal. Without US help for Iraq, Iraq will take years and years and years to get rid of Daesh. With the right US help we believe we can get rid of Daesh and clear our country hopefully in months.

Q: Yet Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi has been reluctant to accept US help in the form of troops.

Rubaie: This is for internal politics. The US has internal politics between the administration and the Congress. Iraq also has internal politics. The Abadi government has a problem with the parliament.

Q: So what help can the United States provide without it creating a political problem for the Prime Minister?

Rubaie: Doubling the trainers; speeding the process of training; speeding the process of delivery of weapons, especially the F-16s and Hellfire (missiles); giving us the Apaches (helicopters); more tanks and armored vehicles; more heavy weapons; more Special Operations involvement; and a complete C4ISR system—aerial and land. A whole lot.

Q: Does the US-led coalition need to step up its targeting of ISIS’ oil supplies in Iraq?

Rubaie: For more than a year we have been talking with the administration to target the fuel tankers. ISIS manages to generate hundreds of millions of dollars from selling Iraqi and Syrian oil in the black market in Turkey. That has to stop. We have been trying to get the United States to do this and fortunately they have started to do it in the last three or four weeks.

Now, we need them to target the high-value individuals. These individuals use the loophole in the Americans’ rules of engagement from the air. They don’t travel together. They drive with their wife and children in a civilian car and avoid targeting. Although the Americans know that he is a high-value individual they don’t target him.

Q: Is the Turkish government complicit in ISIS’ oil trade on the black-market?

Rubaie: I think the government is turning a blind eye to it. The government is also turning a blind eye to the treatment of wounded high-value individuals from Daesh in Turkish hospitals. They also still are not applying strict measures in Istanbul airport, which is a hub for international jihadists.

Q: Do you believe Turkey is undermining the US-led coalition’s effort to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIS?

Rubaie: Turkey has to make up its mind to come fairly, squarely, and irrevocably on this side of the fight. They cannot go half-hearted and sit on the fence. They cannot help terrorism on one hand and fight terrorism on another hand.

Q: Are the tensions between Baghdad and Ankara over the presence of Turkish troops in Iraq distracting from the mission of the anti-ISIS coalition?

Rubaie: Iraq has made it absolutely crystal clear that they don’t want Turkish troops on our soil. We don’t want to pick a fight with Turkey. We don’t want any foreign foot soldiers on our soil. We invested blood, treasure, sweat, and tears heavily in getting back our sovereignty and integrity. We want to have the credit of liberating our country from Daesh ourselves; we don’t want to give the credit to anybody else.

Nobody has invited the Turkish troops. If they say the KRG [Kurdish Regional Government] has, the KRG has no right to invite foreign troops to Iraq because KRG still is part of Iraq.

Q: Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair recently admitted that the invasion of Iraq and toppling of Saddam Hussein was in part responsible for the rise of ISIS. Do you agree?

Rubaie: I don’t agree with that because this is an over simplification. Daesh’s resurgence in Iraq was first in 2003—the Ba’ath Socialist Party’s armed rebellion—then al Qaeda in Iraq, and then ISIS.

This is a security manifestation of Wahhabism all over the world. Before 2003, al Qaeda was in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, and even Somalia. What does that have to do with Saddam Hussein, or for that matter lately they are blaming it on [former Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri] Maliki.

They are avoiding addressing the real issue—the ideology. If Tony Blair is the chief advisor of the Emir of Kuwait, who is a very close friend of the Saudi royal family, of course he will say that, wouldn’t he? He would not address the real issue. As soon as he looks at the Wahhabism and ideological challenge he will remember the twelve million barrels (of oil) a day, and he will also remember his paycheck at the end of the month.

We will have Daesh Version 2, Daesh Version 10 until and unless we address the ideological issue.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...nd-cure-for-wahhabi-virus-says-iraqi-official
 
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General Sisi is a full blown Rafidi.

As for iraq, people here underestimate us. We are no small country or carved up state, there's a historical back-up for the country's identity and nation. iran isn't in control of us, if they were the US wouldn't be back operating in iraq. No regional state can control us, let alone the US who tried during the occupation. if anything it's the GCC which are controlled by the US. Then there's erdomonkey who barks yet he can't do anything either, these are the regional powers.. which turned out to be paper tigers, militarily as well. i'd say let iraq's forces take care of Al Bab as well. Too many armies that do nothing but bark and parade.
Hahaha. Says the person who's country is carved up by isis. We are fighting isis in other countries with rebels that we support while one of your most important cities is under ISIS.

Your country is like a brothel. Everyone is going inside.
 
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Non-Arabs (Iranians) meddling in internal Arab affairs without being able to speak, read and write Arabic, with no historical knowledge of any Arab country, without following ground realities etc. Their sole "news outlet" is PissTV and similar "news".

As for Mowaffak al-Rubaie, he is a Shia Wilayat al-Faqih supporter. Of course he will talk nonsense.

As for his imaginary "Wahhabism", a code word for Sunni Islam which 90% of all the world's 1.6 billion Muslims follow - something very common for Shia Twelver Wilayat al-Faqih followers, nobody calls himself that anywhere in the world and it is merely the Hanbali fiqh - one of the 4 recognized madahib in Sunni Islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanbali

"Wahhabism" (Hanbali fiqh) was invented in Iraq by this Arab "Aḥmad bin Muḥammad bin Ḥanbal Abū ʿAbd Allāh al-Shaybānī"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Hanbal

who was born in Baghdad in the year 780 and who died in the same city in the year 855. So-called "Wahhabis" (Hanbalis) have existed in modern-day Iraq 12 times as long as the existence of the Iraqi state. Thats 1200 years approximately. Not only that for 1200 years longer than the 37 year old Iranian Wilayat al-Faqih system:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardianship_of_the_Islamic_Jurist

As for Shia Islam, in this case Twelver Islam, it originates in KSA and all it branches (Twelver, Zaydi, Ismaily) are found indigenously within KSA and all its revered persons and most important ones, are of Arabian origin.

Also please remind me of who invented suicide bombings in an Islamic context? Ah, Iranian proxies (Hezbollah and Dawa).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#History
 
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Hahaha. Says the person who's country is carved up by isis.

Which part did you not like Baybays.

if Turkey were to be carpet bombed by the US, have a decade of sanctions imposed and invaded by the US again after the sanctions which crippled the economy then Turkey would be what?

But Turkey did not go through that, supposedly it's the greatest army of the region, wolves, "Every Turk is a born soldier". Your dictator is putting a shame to my heritage being partially Turkmen, we should be the ones teaching you warfare as our Turkmen friends defended Amirli from isis solely.

We are fighting isis in other countries with rebels that we support while one of your most important cities is under ISIS.
50KM from the border barely makes a difference, it's not like you're fighting 2000KM away as the US does. Half of Mosul is back under control. Everything put aside, militarily the performance of the army has been beyond that of any other regional fighting force conducting OPS against isis, including TAF.

Ok, let's talk about military news then.

Are you content that Iran is using 1000's of Iraqis as cattle for their expansionist dreams in Syria? Do you think that such policies and radicalization will benefit Iraq in any way? Do you think that it will benefit Iraq and Iraqis to oppress the Syrian people (a neighboring nation an fellow Arab country - Eastern Syria being identical to the Sunni Arab heartlands of Iraq that make up 50% of Iraq's territory) for the sake of saving some mass-murderer on loan (Al-Assad)? His time will end and eventually the majority will gain power. What then? Do you think that Syrians will forget who tried to oppress them and prolong the conflict?

Iraq recently banned alcohol and made many other laws that makes it not much different than KSA and Iran. Wilayat al-Faqih ideology is growing inside Iraq destroying traditional Iraqi Shia Arab Shia Islamic traditions. Basically traditional Twelver Islam. Once Al-Sistani dies you will witness a can of worms on this front.

God help Iraq when this happens.

Anyway let me repeat myself for 1.000.000 times. A strong and independent Iraq is the best thing that can happen to the region. Iranian Mullah's don't want to see that. They want an obedient satellite state. They actively use religion (Wilayat al-Faqih) to gain that influence and to create loyal locals. All hidden under some nonsense of countering Western imperialism (ironic), illegitimate governments in the Muslim world (ironic again and notice this is only aimed at Arab countries mostly) etc.

GCC has no such ambitions in Iraq as people consider Iraq as an brotherly Arab state and we have no grievances against Iraq either as Iranians have due to history, most recently Iraq-Iran war etc.

Which is also why the largest Iraqi diaspora outside of Europe is based in the GCC and nobody is looking down on them unlike some of the things that they face in Iran. Let us not kid ourselves.

As for the GCC, the regimes there are not going to rule foreveer, so it makes no sense to alienate locals on both sides by either party. GCC and Iraq are natural allies and where that for most of history until politics from the outside (US/USSR) and some madmen (Saddam) changed that. Same with Syria/Jordan and Iraq. Sect should be and will be irrelevant here.

Unrest between all of us will not benefit any of us but the usual suspects. I know it, you know it and every Arab knows it.

When people from the GCC (mostly KSA and Kuwait due to obvious reasons) are so disappointed by Iraqi government politics on certain fronts, it is based on disappointed that the brotherly relations are not better today and not as good as they have been throughout much of history be it Islamic or pre-Islamic. Vice versa as the disappointment goes both ways. This is one of the major and reoccurring topics which means that people are not indifferent.

As for Iran, I would be indifferent to them (neither against or for) had they been ruled by a sane government and had they pursued sane politics in the region. I am more interested in Arab-Arab relations as we can only and should only solve our own problems or disagreements. Whether it be in Yemen, Bahrain, Syria or Iraq.

US will always somehow be present in the region and try to influence it, everyone in the world has to live with that as they are the sole superpower for now. However their presence should not be a hindrance to solving mutually relevant topics in a sane and peaceful manner. And for all we know GCC, Iraq (being the only neighboring countries of Iran from the Arab world) and Iran might one day all have cordial ties and work together for the benefit of the region. That will probably happen some day but for now there are the problems there are and they need to be solved/discussed and not ignored.

iran grows in Syria and iraq due to the policies of your gov and turkey, nowadays there's no complaints about the army but only at the PMF. Back in 2013 Al Arabiya supported the revolutionaries of Anbar who are nothing but isis, they named the army the forces of Maliki, and Abadi for a short amount of time. Then some GCC state tried to bypass Baghdad to ship arms to Barzani to cause problems, they still did not learn that their strategy works counterproductive to their goal, they're enabling iran's expansion of influence.
 
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Which part did you not like Baybays.

if Turkey were to be carpet bombed by the US, have a decade of sanctions imposed and invaded by the US again after the sanctions which crippled the economy then Turkey would be what?

But Turkey did not go through that, supposedly it's the greatest army of the region, wolves, "Every Turk is a born soldier". Your dictator is putting a shame to my heritage being partially Turkmen, we should be the ones teaching you warfare as our Turkmen friends defended Amirli from isis solely.


50KM from the border barely makes a difference, it's not like you're fighting 2000KM away as the US does. Half of Mosul is back under control. Everything put aside, militarily the performance of the army has been beyond that of any other regional fighting force conducting OPS against isis, including TAF.
I don't think you realise? YOUR COUNTRY IS UNDER OCCUPATION OF ISIS, THE OTHER PART IS BY KURDS. Do you understand what I'm saying?

Yes we are born soldiers and we are strong, which is why with limited soldiers we did what we are doing. We don't have 50,000 soldiers to take one city like you do.
 
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I don't think you realise? YOUR COUNTRY IS UNDER OCCUPATION OF ISIS, THE OTHER PART IS BY KURDS. Do you understand what I'm saying?
wat, if the US were to attack Turkey the Kurds would take the south East, hard to understand?

Yes we are born soldiers
No you're not.

and we are strong
in what? it's just talk.

which is why with limited soldiers we did what we are doing. We don't have 50,000 soldiers to take one city like you do.
Now i have to educate again. 50.000 is the number of an operations command (Nineveh), the number assigned for urban warfare within Mosul does not exceed 10.000.

Going by that Turkey has over 100.000 troops assigned for the Al Bab OP as they're part of the 3rd army. Though first enter that city then talk. Erdogan is dragging your military to shit as well replacing competent generals with loyalists, don't be mad at me pointing out some truth.

You already flattened Al Bab with artillery and airpower and it's still not taken. You underestimate others, overestimate your own abilities due to your ethnicity. Keep this mindset and you'll lose hard on the day of a fight/war, as you can see in Al Bab today. The one that wins is the trained, experienced.
 
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WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists

Hillary Clinton memo highlights Gulf states' failure to block funding for groups like al-Qaida, Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba
Declan Walsh in Islamabad

Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.

"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.

Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.

The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.

One cable details how the Pakistani militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out the 2008 Mumbai attacks, used a Saudi-based front company to fund its activities in 2005.

Meanwhile officials with the LeT's charity wing, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, travelled to Saudi Arabia seeking donations for new schools at vastly inflated costs – then siphoned off the excess money to fund militant operations.

Militants seeking donations often come during the hajj pilgrimage – "a major security loophole since pilgrims often travel with large amounts of cash and the Saudis cannot refuse them entry into Saudi Arabia". Even a small donation can go far: LeT operates on a budget of just $5.25m (£3.25m) a year, according to American estimates.

Saudi officials are often painted as reluctant partners. Clinton complained of the "ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist funds emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority".

Washington is critical of the Saudi refusal to ban three charities classified as terrorist entities in the US. "Intelligence suggests that these groups continue to send money overseas and, at times, fund extremism overseas," she said.

There has been some progress. This year US officials reported that al-Qaida's fundraising ability had "deteriorated substantially" since a government crackdown. As a result Bin Laden's group was "in its weakest state since 9/11" in Saudi Arabia.

Any criticisms are generally offered in private. The cables show that when it comes to powerful oil-rich allies US diplomats save their concerns for closed-door talks, in stark contrast to the often pointed criticism meted out to allies in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Instead, officials at the Riyadh embassy worry about protecting Saudi oilfields from al-Qaida attacks.

The other major headache for the US in the Gulf region is the United Arab Emirates. The Afghan Taliban and their militant partners the Haqqani network earn "significant funds" through UAE-based businesses, according to one report. The Taliban extort money from the large Pashtun community in the UAE, which is home to 1 million Pakistanis and 150,000 Afghans. They also fundraise by kidnapping Pashtun businessmen based in Dubai or their relatives.

"Some Afghan businessmen in the UAE have resorted to purchasing tickets on the day of travel to limit the chance of being kidnapped themselves upon arrival in either Afghanistan or Pakistan," the report says.

Last January US intelligence sources said two senior Taliban fundraisers had regularly travelled to the UAE, where the Taliban and Haqqani networks laundered money through local front companies.

One report singled out a Kabul-based "Haqqani facilitator", Haji Khalil Zadran, as a key figure. But, Clinton complained, it was hard to be sure: the UAE's weak financial regulation and porous borders left US investigators with "limited information" on the identity of Taliban and LeT facilitators.

The lack of border controls was "exploited by Taliban couriers and Afghan drug lords camouflaged among traders, businessmen and migrant workers", she said.

In an effort to stem the flow of funds American and UAE officials are increasingly co-operating to catch the "cash couriers" – smugglers who fly giant sums of money into Pakistan and Afghanistan.

In common with its neighbours Kuwait is described as a "source of funds and a key transit point" for al-Qaida and other militant groups. While the government has acted against attacks on its own soil, it is "less inclined to take action against Kuwait-based financiers and facilitators plotting attacks outside of Kuwait".

Kuwait has refused to ban the Revival of Islamic Heritage Society, a charity the US designated a terrorist entity in June 2008 for providing aid to al-Qaida and affiliated groups, including LeT.

There is little information about militant fundraising in the fourth Gulf country singled out, Qatar, other than to say its "overall level of CT co-operation with the US is considered the worst in the region".

The funding quagmire extends to Pakistan itself, where the US cables detail sharp criticism of the government's ambivalence towards funding of militant groups that enjoy covert military support.

The cables show how before the Mumbai attacks in 2008, Pakistani and Chinese diplomats manoeuvred hard to block UN sanctions against Jamaat-ud-Dawa.

But in August 2009, nine months after sanctions were finally imposed, US diplomats wrote: "We continue to see reporting indicating that JUD is still operating in multiple locations in Pakistan and that the group continues to openly raise funds". JUD denies it is the charity wing of LeT.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding
 
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Turks are born soldiers.
We can send our children to war, and not be worried about it.

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This is Iraq.

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Running away to Europe. what brave warriors.
 
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Clinton knew Saudi Arabia, Qatar provide ‘clandestine’ support to ISIS – WikiLeaks
Published time: 11 Oct, 2016 03:07Edited time: 12 Oct, 2016 12:17

Emails published by Wikileaks between Hillary Clinton and her presidential campaign chairman John Podesta pull back the curtain on the fight against Islamic State. One reveals the presidential candidate identifying Saudi Arabia and Qatar as "financial and logistic" supporters of the terrorist group.


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US not arming Nusra, but our allies might – State Dept
Contrary to Qatar and Saudi Arabia’s assurances that they do not support Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), Hillary Clinton apparently believes that they are in fact providing “clandestine financial and logistic support to IS and other radical Sunni groups in the region,” according to an August 17, 2014 email released by WikiLeaks on Monday.

READ MORE: WikiLeaks releases 2nd batch of 2,000+ emails from Clinton campaign chair

“While this military/para-military operation is moving forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region,” she wrote to Podesta.

“This effort will be enhanced by the stepped up commitment in the KRG [Kurdish Regional Government]. The Qataris and Saudis will be put in a position of balancing policy between their ongoing competition to dominate the Sunni world and the consequences of serious U.S. pressure,” she added.

Saudi Arabia has previously been accused of funding other terrorist organizations, such as Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. The kingdom also has a policy of torture and public executions, not entirely dissimilar to the actions of IS.

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Arab royal families, ‘wealthy princes’ must stop financing ISIS – British MPs
What pressure the US plans to put on the Saudi government remains to be seen. However, following the UN’s Committee on the Rights of the Child’s scathing report on the country’s human rights abuses, if the US doesn’t put pressure on the government, others may do so instead.

Earlier this year, it seemed that Qatar and the US had at least a working relationship in the effort to fight IS. In June, American B-52 Stratofortress bombers flew to the Al Udeid Air Base, where they were to be deployed to fight IS.

Saudi Arabia has also claimed to be on the US’ side in the fight against IS. However, actions speak louder than words. In September, an Al-Nusra commander identified as “Abu Al-Ezz” claimed that both the US and its Persian Gulf allies were providing his group with weapons.

While the US categorically denied arming the terrorist organization in order to fight IS, State Department spokesman Mark Toner told reporters, “there are those – not the US – who back various opposition groups in Syria, who might also seek to arm them,” and that would lead to escalation.

Podesta is not the first person to accuse Saudi Arabia of funding IS. In July, Britain’s Foreign Affairs Sub-committee urged Gulf states to apply pressure and legal barriers to prevent royal family members from sponsoring extremist organizations.

UK Foreign Office senior civil servant Dan Chugg said when “dealing with royal families, wealthy princes and those kind of things,” it is “difficult with some of these countries to know exactly what is government funding.

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Gulf money 'turned Kosovo into ISIS hotbed' while EU & US turned a blind eye
He implied that Saudi Arabia had donated money in the past, saying the Foreign Office must “work with local partners in the region to ensure they have the capacity and resolve to rigorously enforce local laws to prevent the funding of Islamic State, so that the group cannot benefit from donations in future.

IS and Al-Nusra may not be the only groups benefiting from Gulf state money. In May, the New York Times reported that Muslims in Kosovo were being indoctrinated into Wahhabism by extremist clerics who received funding from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and others.

Saudi charities began popping up in Kosovo following the unrest of the Balkan wars and offered to rebuild mosques and provide assistance in exchange for following stricter Islamic rules, such as requiring women to wear headscarves.

If Saudi Arabia’s funding of spreading Wahhabism in Kosovo is anything like its alleged funding of IS, then the US may be in for a bigger fight. For example, Al Waqf al Islami, one of the Saudi funded organizations, pumped in more than $11 million from 2000 through 2012.

https://www.rt.com/usa/362312-clinton-saudi-arabia-qatar-isis

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Running away to Europe. what brave warriors.
Don't cheer over disasters of other people you idiot scum. You ugly turks/Anatolis are nothing but some Turkized Iranians if you check your dna. I thought you @atatwolf had gotten Permanent ban you wannabe mongol.
 
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Turks are born soldiers.
We can send our children to war, and not be worried about it.

Running away to Europe. what brave warriors.



Even though most 'refugee' migrants to Europe from Syria/iraq seem to be Kurds let's talk about the iraqis who leave for Europe. They do not head to Europe for the purpose of avoiding war as there's no conscription neither war in the safe parts of iraq. The reason they head to Europe is the economical, ironically that's the same reason there are millions of Turks in Europe. Even though there is no conscription in iraq there's too many volunteers wanting to fight isis. Turkey needs conscription to gather the numbers for the fight against the PKK it seems/

Besides, children to war.. how unique as if that did not happen anywhere else, not exactly something to be proud of. Born soldiers yet failing militarily whilst you had such a superiority complex over all those forces that are fighting isis.

Atilla the monkey can't even take Al Bab, how am i supposed to respect you with all that barking when you fail at that simple task. Don't call yourself a wolf little pussycat!
 
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iran grows in Syria and iraq due to the policies of your gov and turkey, nowadays there's no complaints about the army but only at the PMF. Back in 2013 Al Arabiya supported the revolutionaries of Anbar who are nothing but isis, they named the army the forces of Maliki, and Abadi for a short amount of time. Then some GCC state tried to bypass Baghdad to ship arms to Barzani to cause problems, they still did not learn that their strategy works counterproductive to their goal, they're enabling iran's expansion of influence.

Al-Arabiya is a channel based in the UAE and an liberal channel. Have you ever watched news from them? They are one of the few news outlets in the Middle East that uses mainly women (Saudi Arabian locals and non-locals), without headscarfs of any type.

Supported in what way exactly? If KSA/GCC supported those tribal revolutionaries in Anbar (no, they are not equal to ISIS stop writing nonsense) it would have ended very differently and not in the favor of Al-Maliki. As for Al-Maliki, of course that person is heavily disliked. He escaped to KSA when Saddam was dealing with anti-government rebels in Southern Iran and was hosted there for months if not 1 year. In return, when gaining power, he does everything to alienate KSA and the GCC. Divides and destroys Iraq due to moronic policies and allows sectarian, mainly Shia (as they were and are dominating Baghdad currently) militias and police units/army units to harass Iraqi Sunni Arabs to get revenge from "Saddam's time" forgetting that there were more Shia than Sunni Ba'athis.

Barzanistan? I highly doubt that. KSA does not look lightly at Barzanistan's policies in Northern Iraq and land-grabbing from local Arabs and Assyrians. Local leaders in Northern Iraq have cordial ties to Iraq. Among them was Mishaal and his likes (patriots) until recently. Many tribal leaders as well if not most. The ties are close.
Otherwise they deal with Barzanistan as a ground reality as every regional power does. In fact both Turkey and Iran have much closer ties to Barzanistan for obvious reasons (geography) and work much closer with him.

As for policies towards Iraq, many were wrong and are wrong, but it is not a one-sided wheel in this regard.

Anyway I am quite hopeful that the overall small disagreements can be solved eventually. Shit regimes in power all over the region or not. Eventually it will be done. Even by them. If not then the people.
 
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@2800 I am just pointing out, the disaster is all their own doing. Look how many are running away to the safety of Europe. I'd be ashamed if they were my people.
 
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@2800 I am just pointing out, the disaster is all their own doing. Look how many are running away to the safety of Europe. I'd be ashamed if they were my people.

Some say it's yours.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/01/syria-deep-anger-turkey-war-iraq-abadi.html

Also, TAF needs training, their methods are outdated, applying 90's desert storm tank strategy against infantry in urban environment with ATGW, that's your general who was born a soldier. Maybe i should train your conscripts

Al-Arabiya is a channel based in the UAE and an liberal channel. Have you ever watched news from them? They are one of the few news outlets in the Middle East that uses mainly women (Saudi Arabian locals and non-locals), without headscarfs of any type.

Supported in what way exactly? If KSA/GCC supported those tribal revolutionaries in Anbar (no, they are not equal to ISIS stop writing nonsense) it would have ended very differently and not in the favor of Al-Maliki. As for Al-Maliki, of course that person is heavily disliked. He escaped to KSA when Saddam was dealing with anti-government rebels in Southern Iran and was hosted there for months if not 1 year. In return, when gaining power, he does everything to alienate KSA and the GCC. Divides and destroys Iraq due to moronic policies and allows sectarian, mainly Shia (as they were and are dominating Baghdad currently) militias and police units/army units to harass Iraqi Sunni Arabs to get revenge from "Saddam's time" forgetting that there were more Shia than Sunni Ba'athis.

Barzanistan? I highly doubt that. KSA does not look lightly at Barzanistan's policies in Northern Iraq and land-grabbing from local Arabs and Assyrians. Local leaders in Northern Iraq have cordial ties to Iraq. Among them was Mishaal and his likes (patriots) until recently. Many tribal leaders as well if not most. The ties are close.
Otherwise they deal with Barzanistan as a ground reality as every regional power does. In fact both Turkey and Iran have much closer ties to Barzanistan for obvious reasons (geography) and work much closer with him.

As for policies towards Iraq, many were wrong and are wrong, but it is not a one-sided wheel in this regard.

Anyway I am quite hopeful that the overall small disagreements can be solved eventually. Shit regimes in power all over the region or not. Eventually it will be done. Even by them. If not then the people.

Vocal support, enabling popular support through the media is what i meant.
 
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Even though most 'refugee' migrants to Europe from Syria/iraq seem to be Kurds let's talk about the iraqis who leave for Europe. They do not head to Europe for the purpose of avoiding war as there's no conscription neither war in the safe parts of iraq. The reason they head to Europe is the economical, ironically that's the same reason there are millions of Turks in Europe. Even though there is no conscription in iraq there's too many volunteers wanting to fight isis. Turkey needs conscription to gather the numbers for the fight against the PKK it seems/

Besides, children to war.. how unique as if that did not happen anywhere else, not exactly something to be proud of. Born soldiers yet failing militarily whilst you had such a superiority complex over all those forces that are fighting isis.

Atilla the monkey can't even take Al Bab, how am i supposed to respect you with all that barking when you fail at that simple task. Don't call yourself a wolf little pussycat!
Your brave PKK run away to Europe, hide in caves instead of fighting us like men. lol. But, this is what you are proud of.
Turks are not running to Europe to avoid war, unlike Iraqis.

This is something to be proud of:

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These are Iraqis.

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They don't look old to me, or women. lol
 
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