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"Will cut tongue of anyone who wants to change Blasphemy Laws" - JI

Its funny. I've said it more than once that I want the two blasphemy laws repealed, and nobody called me a Zionist yet. Odd.........

Likes of TTP do influence the conservatives to add to their ranks, and vice versa pseudo-liberals influence liberals to add to their ranks. Throw the foreign/enemy hand in all this and you get bloodshed.

The fight has moved on from sect violence to this liberal v conservatives. And extremists (Khawarij & pseudo-liberals) are the main players with blasphemy law as the centre stage.

When sect killings were a daily occurrences not so many years back, blasphemy topic was nowhere on the scene.

Salman Taseer + 2 etc are made a big deal out of, but what about thousands of conservatives muslims killed, many in the mosques!?

Is that so hard to see?
 
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Likes of TTP do influence the conservatives to add to their ranks, and vice versa pseudo-liberals influence liberals to add to their ranks. Throw the foreign/enemy hand in all this and you get bloodshed.

The fight has moved on from sect violence to this liberal v conservatives. And extremists (Khawarij & pseudo-liberals) are the main players with blasphemy law as the centre stage.

When sect killings were a daily occurrences not so many years back, blasphemy topic was nowhere on the scene.

Salman Taseer + 2 etc are made a big deal out of, but what about thousands of conservatives muslims killed, many in the mosques!?

Is that so hard to see?
Mostly because sect killings were sect killings. They weren't on blasphemy laws. Yes, they were wrong, and should be equally condemned. Yes, many Muslim conservatives have lost their lives too. But I'm talking about legality of laws more than anything. The two laws handing out death sentences mean that the state itself takes part in these actions. Plus the Ijma that never was. Asiya Bibi was only one person. There are many others accused out there.
 
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Mostly because sect killings were sect killings. They weren't on blasphemy laws. Yes, they were wrong, and should be equally condemned. Yes, many Muslim conservatives have lost their lives too. But I'm talking about legality of laws more than anything. The two laws handing out death sentences mean that the state itself takes part in these actions. Plus the Ijma that never was. Asiya Bibi was only one person. There are many others accused out there.

My question was on the timing. When sect killing was in full swing, no one was talking of blasphemy laws. Where were all those voices then?

And blasphemy related crimes is a small social issue (that is intentionally being inflated in the 5th gen war facing Pakistan). We have much bigger problems to solve first.
 
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All those who have been casting aspersions upon Ulema in one form or other please proceed here:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...s-answering-a-propaganda.493377/#post-9443090

@Azlan Haider this is specially for you.

I am more interested in how you differentiate yourself from the ISIS/TTP ideology.

You have made an allegation against me. It is your job to provide:

1. The definition of who belongs to ISIS/TTP
2. Exactly why you think those same characteristics are found in me.

I just have trouble understanding anyone with the blood-lust to want to mutilate (not just kill) anyone who wants to discuss amending a law to, at the very minimum, ensure that it protects those who are wrongly accused.

You have trouble understanding the sentiments of Amir Mushtaq Sahib. I don't have any such trouble. No one, in whose heart the light of faith shines bright would have trouble understanding his sentiments.

If you are having trouble with this, maybe seek a proper spiritual guide who will help you in this matter.

Therefore, I fail to understand the mentality of the "righteous mobs" who kill blasphemy-accused (usually just framed) in the most brutal ways --- and then desecrate / mutilate the bodies further. There is no room for this in our religion or in our laws. This is why Amir Mushtaq must be condemned. This is also why the Imam of the mosque in Chitral who protected the accused is extraordinary --- if you were the Imam of the mosque, you probably would have gouged the poor fellow's eyes out and kept his severed tongue as a trophy on your bedside as proof of your most unquestionable piety.

And this is why these people should also be condemned?

https://www.dawn.com/news/1311469

http://nation.com.pk/politics/18-May-2008/Mob-sets-2-thieves-on-fire-in-Karachi

Yes or no?

I believe in very heightened religious tolerance because a.) frankly we are not living in a Caliphate and b.) intolerance is the seed from which extremism grows. In the final analysis, the Almighty will provide Divine Justice anyway.

I believe in very heightened religiousness. Frankly, we should be living in a Caliphate, but while that possibility is remote, Pakistan should be governed by Islamic laws. And our religion doesn't teach an infinite tolerance for everything. Especially in the sphere of public life, Islamic laws are to be promulgated because otherwise everyone who accepts a public sin becomes a sinner.

Why does the thought of blasphemy rouse such violent emotions when most of the goons calling for blood are living lives that are barely in accordance with Islamic principles of justice, mercy and fairness? Ishq-e-Rasool is present in all good Muslims --- the true believers just live it out in their daily lives and not just when the local mullah tells them to go lynch someone. I've never seen these mobs do something positive, like clean the streets, help women or give shelter to innocent animals.

Again, if you are so out of tune with the rest of society, you need to take steps to reach that understanding. A proper spiritual guide would help you a lot.
 
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SHABQADAR: Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) provincial chief Amir Mushtaq Ahmad Khan said, “I will cut the tongue and eyes of those who want to amend the blasphemy law.” ...
Threatening bodily harm? In the U.S. anybody - even a politician - issuing such a threat could be prosecuted and sent to jail for up to five years.
 
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Sooner or later we will have to do a Armed Operation again JI and JUI .. the sooner the better
 
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Amir Mushtaq Ahmad Khan is better to stick to his bullsh!t, looking over the wall won't be pleasant for him.
 
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Salman Taseer + 2 etc are made a big deal out of, but what about thousands of conservatives muslims killed, many in the mosques!?

Is that so hard to see?

Those thousands of conservative Muslims were not killed by "pseudo-liberals", for holding/propagating conservative views, were they ?

Those killed in the mosques (whom you are calling "conservatives"), were killed by "ultra-conservatives"/terrorists because they were/are considered deviant (i.e. Shia) and Biddati (i.e. Barelvis) by those terrorists. However, sometimes the conservatives too act as extremists/terrorists (e.g. Mumtaz Qadri, Murderers of Mashal Khan etc.) ...

Is that so hard to see ??
 
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Those thousands of conservative Muslims were not killed by "pseudo-liberals", for holding/propagating conservative views, were they ?

Those killed in the mosques (whom you are calling "conservatives"), were killed by "ultra-conservatives"/terrorists because they were/are considered deviant (i.e. Shia) and Biddati (i.e. Barelvis) by those terrorists. However, sometimes the conservatives too act as extremists/terrorists (e.g. Mumtaz Qadri, Murderers of Mashal Khan etc.) ...

Is that so hard to see ??

Need I start pulling out murders by liberal/secular terrorists in Pakistan's history!?
 
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Need I start pulling out murders by liberal/secular terrorists in Pakistan's history!?

Given our current situation, I think it's pretty obvious that ultra-conservatives / religious extremists are responsible for the vast majority of terrorism / violence in our country. In my mind, it's the poisonous ideology that says "my interpretation is right" that is the most dangerous. It is patently false to say that. Islam has so many interpretations across sects, sub-sects, schools of thought and scholars within those schools of thought, that conservatives should not try and enforce their preferred version onto others --- or judge those who follow different or more tolerant interpretations as "liberals" or judge them as "lesser Muslims." The truth is that only God is capable of making that judgement.

Historically, things may well have been different.

But we're not living in the past.
 
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