Will China Crush U.S. Military Role In Pakistan?

[Sharpshooter12]

With regards to Afghanistan. Pakistan should open new front against Afghanistan, claim so and so region of Afghanistan is Pakistani territory, start producing maps depicting it as such. And I don't mean a little village around the border, but far as, Kunduz, Baghlan, Kabul, Ghazni, Kandahar, Lashkar Gah, Zaranj.

And the world will stay neutral and do nothing about this grand plan. With NATO forces still in Afghanistan, this will mean open hostilities against them. Kunduz, seriously, thats a northern city.

And have we not learnt our lesson that involving our own civilians in a proxy war whether in Kashmir or Afghanistan is a recipe for disaster.

Besides the Afghan population in general is quite hostile towards Pakistan, do you really want to make them your countrymen and start a whole new terror cycle. And this will give a new life to the dead issue of Pushtunistan, we will have a nationalist insurgency on our hands.

All in all, this is an idea that even our establishment will not be foolish enough to pursue.

Tell Yanks, we are Giving F16 b52,P3C To China to Copy.

Now then, when did we get B52s, nobody told me about it.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

When you have US as your ally, you understand that no outside power can influence your relationship with them. Its always their internal factors(senators, congressmen, voters etc) that dictate their relationship with other countries.

China has no internal factors that an ally needs to worry about, but it is not strong enough that it can take all the international pressure and still stand with you.

I give you an example. Back in 71 both US and China wanted to save east Pakistan. Now if you believe in conspiracy theories that is one thing but if you take Nixon-Kissinger tapes into account, it is obvious POTUS wanted to do something for its ally.

But they both could not do anything substantial to stop fall of Dhaka, but for different reasons.

American people had no stomach for war, opposition to Vietnam war was already quite high so US could not get itself involved in another conflict. So that was an internal factor that dictated US actions.

China, even after encouragement from the US could not involve itself in that war because of Soviet threats, especially to its nuclear facilities at Lop Nor. So it was the external pressure that dictated its actions.

China has come long way since 71, but still can it stand with Pakistan like how US stick with Israel, even when it means they have to stand alone in general assembly. No I doubt that is ever going to happen any time soon.

But China has done something for us that no other country will ever do, barring perhaps Turkey. And that is sharing their military technology and helping us in building an indigenous military complex. US would never do that for us, they don't trust us that much.

We have to get our house in order, so even if we don't stay friendly with US at least let's not be on their bad side. And let's not put our relationship with China to test by pushing them to take a stand for us again and again. I mean Masood Azhar kon sa sonay ka anda daita hai that China has to veto again and again on our behalf. We have to get rid of these good for nothing trouble makers. Time for such adventures has far passed. It will be better if these guys died in an unfortunate accident along GT road.

 

[MuhammedAli]

And the world will stay neutral and do nothing about this grand plan. With NATO forces still in Afghanistan, this will mean open hostilities against them. Kunduz, seriously, thats a northern city.
And have we not learnt our lesson that involving our own civilians in a proxy war whether in Kashmir or Afghanistan is a recipe for disaster.
Besides the Afghan population in general is quite hostile towards Pakistan, do you really want to make them your countrymen and start a whole new terror cycle. And this will give a new life to the dead issue of Pushtunistan, we will have a nationalist insurgency on our hands.
All in all, this is an idea that even our establishment will not be foolish enough to pursue.
Now then, when did we get B52s, nobody told me about it.

World did bullocks(1) when India took over Muslim states, Goa, and anexed a neboring country in 1960s. You have to earn respect and not demand it. Being a nuclear nation and way more capable then stone-age North Korea world will be forced to lick sweat from my bullocks.

You know, we have nukes, and we didn't get them for display purposes, the reason NATO and USA bombs us is cause our leaders are spineless. They worry about loosing and not what they can gain if they stand-up. Their worry is we will loose dollars and we wont be able to fill the banks with the treasury loot. North Korea, a bloody useless state, and useless leader, every week fires a missile over Japan, despite threats of fire and fury and utter and complete destruction. They know, he's mad. what is needed when their drones come over, shoot down their drones, retaliation; bomb their base from where it came or nearest target, and right after it, let world know, they bombed us, we bombed them, and now we are ready for nuclear war, come.

Yes from North of Afghanistan to Southern border of Afghanistan. Look at the cities mentioned nice beautiful curve, 35% of Afghanistan.

I am completely and absolutely against civilians with guns. Zero gun in civilian hands. And I would create incentives to report gun owner, and very very harsh laws to deal with gun owners, terrorism charges, anyone caught with gun, and hangings after conviction with no right of appeal.

Just send the unarmed civilians with their cows, sheeps, and army. Take over the land, say these people wanted to be part of Pakistan, they claimed independence from Afghanistan and we are here to ensure their human rights are protected.

Yes Afghans are hostile, its understandable, we been using Taliban, and they been in civil war for about 30 years. But over take of Afghan land you don't do with Afghani's. This is what I would do on national TV and in UN. Pakistan will support factions claiming independence from Afghanistan and will make every effort to protect who want independence from Afghan central goverment. Then you pick people from Pakistan, promise them protection and promise them huge swaths of land, free, if they support government endevor. Once the take over is complete, now ensure the inhabitants are given what they were promised, and start with new bunch of Pakistanis.

If we do what is right, which is provide facilities, and basic needs, food, water, electric, jobs, no one will want to go into rebellion state and if someone starts it, ensure total war and no mercy, only executions. Anyone caught with weapons, should be deemed terrorist and executed.

Our goverment, will not even pursue bullocks. They have no pride as human beings, no pride as Pakistani, and no pride as Muslim. Their only interest is is personal benefit. What I am on about, someone with Ghayrat e Pakistan and Islami, what I am on about is what nationalist and maybe religious, leader would do.

If you think too much about consequences of your actions you never take the action. You think about consequences, prepare to counter em, do what you wanted to, and counter if you need to. I am nationalistic and religious nut-job.

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(1) Male cow.

 

[MuhammedAli]

The big powers are doing exactly this. And if you don't have brains then at the very least learn from big powers and imitate them and justify yourself by comparing yours with theirs. This is what our lil-fony pony of Hinduism aka India in our backyard is doing. They are loosers but the way they conduct themselves is like they are the supreme power on earth. They have understood, its not about what you're and what your reality is. Its about how you conduct yourself politically and millitarily. Yes it helps if your stick is bigger and you can hit harder and with more skill but if your stick is Kim Jung-un size and you still stand your ground ... world can't do bullocks. And we should prepare nuclear powered and armed submarines and longer range missiles billistic and cruise to able to target all USA and NATO bases as far as Turkey. But our millitary won't allow it and nor will our leadership because then we become threat to Israel and Americans and Europeans won't like that. We already know what is coming to Pakistan if we keep going toward China. USA will attempt to teach us a lesson. And we should be preparing for the future and you can do it under another pretext ... all you have to do is ... piss North Korean leader off ... he will start threatening Pakistan with destruction and bs. And in retaliation you say, we have to defend ourselves, we have to ensure if North Korea attacks us we can retaliate. So we are going to create a Intercontinental Billictic Missile to that can reach it and keep NK in check. And wen we make a missile reaching NK ... it will also be targeting all-most all major American millitary bases in Europe including in Germany. Secretly, and definately put armed nuclear sattelites in space after manned space missions become possible. It surely will cost few billions, but ten of them in space ... will ensure, ... missile, plane, submarine, and sattelite nuclear retaliation. And once you create the missile you secretly thank NK and say we never meant anything. It was only a joke, I was only teasing you, you know it just was banter, nothing to it. If NK pm wants to bark on, fork him, we achieved our real objective. This is how world sneakily achieving their objectives. They erect a boggie man, oooo this is so scary, i am so threatened by that tooth pick hes holding, my survival is threatened, I am scared that my gun will jam i need a tank with nuclear shell to ensure my survival and safety, his tooth pick is too menacing. You under-state your millitary achievements and and over-over-over-state your enemies. You pretend to be mazloom even when you're the zalim ... why cause that will get you moral support, and all other kind of support you need to advance your objectives and you wont have any obstacle in your way. We need leaders with insight, wisdom, cunning, shrewdness, and will and desire to, ... if you ever hear the the slogan: ... make Pakistan Great, make Greater Pakistan reality. Then remember to vote for me.

 

[war&peace]

A simple intelligent overview of PAF inventory along with spares expenditures should tell you how very very much the PAF is heavily dependent upon US hardware, software and knowledge.

Its next to impossible with current and any realistic optimism based future budget levels that that the PAF absolves itself of US source dependency.

Do we ever think and plan like a state? Why one institution be allowed to betray the nation in the hour of need?