Will China Crush U.S. Military Role In Pakistan?

[war&peace]

But I know you're not. In this forum there are a lot of Indians and Pakistanis who claim to be somebody they are not.

It is mostly indians who love to do that and BTW ...some how and by any chance....you yourself happen to be an indian...just sayin

Well that's my opinion. If it was copy pasted. All you do is, copy paste, in google and you would find the source if it was copy pasted.

Exactly, that's your OPINION and it is just that. I mean it is NOT A FACT.

 

[war&peace]

Just a judgment based on current affairs and how political events unfold and how things work in real world. I could be that as a buzurg said, Pakistan will be deciding the fate of nations, Allahu alam, Allah knows better. But I can't ignore the realities of politics and put my faith in what Awliyah-Allah of Pakistan have said about it because that is not definitive. I pray I am wrong and Allah makes the words of Awliyah-Allah true. Pir Syed Jammat Ali Shah, Khawaja Qamr ad-Din Sialvi, Pir Mehr Ali Shah Golari, and other Awliyah have said positive things about future of Pakistan. In my judgment its better to be negative and over play the threat and prepare for worst case scenario then to under estimate it and not prepare for it.

I am Pakistan and Azad-Kashmiri, Mirpuri, Islamgarhi, and my heart and soul is with Pakistan. In sha Allah if war breaks out with India in my life time, even if I am on bed unable to walk, in sha Allah, I will be in the front line with Pakistan army. I am not going to fight for Pakistan, or goverment, or anything bs like that. For mothers who had their sons killed when it was created, for sisters who lost their lives and innocence, and for sake of la ilaha il-Allah, Muhammadur RasoolAllah, to be dominant over lands of Kufr.

Well, one thing is clear that every country should be strong and self reliant regardless of how many friends it has. You should always depend on the gun that you hold but said that. In this world no country can live alone...not even USA since weapons are not everything. USSR collapsed despite having the largest stockpile of the weapons of mass destruction. However it is also true that despite USSR's disintegration not a single country dared to attack on its land. And as we see that USA declared a war on Iraq over some false "WMDs" but it will never attack North Korea because it actually has WMDs and uncle sam is clever enough not to get its stinky *** burnt by a nuke strike.
Pakistan and China have a long history of friendship and it has been tested so you cannot compare it with any other relationship.
Both countries are striving for even stronger relations. It is true that every country has to mind its national interest in every agreement and relationship but that's not a bad thing as long as both the parties benefit. I see that CPEC will benefit both China and Pakistan. However it is the duty of the GoP to ensure that its interests are fulfilled.

Lol! Anta gal keeti darust shadeedun. Phir not kering this mazeedun. I was only here for religious discussion but found out religious discussion is banned so started to venture into other topics. Anyhow, now I can post the links, this is Islamic forum where I write my articles in English, here. Little about my self, here.

Religious discussions often result in trolling and hot polarised debates so the management of this forum has basically banned such discussions. However it still creeps in since most of the current affairs and geopolitics involves religion one way or the other. However this thread is not religious at all rather a political one.

 

[beijingwalker]

Fei lung ji means finger movements of dragon. I use to learn Lau Gar Kung Fu and it was name of a form/kata. I can't remember if it was Cantonese or Madrian ... lol.

Must be Cantonese, Mandarin Pinyin doesn't have "lung" combination

 

[war&peace]

Only reason i joined the forum was to put few things right in here. I noted over several years members have their own version of Islam, mostly secularists, and I dislike Deen being distorted for personal comfort. My motto is, if someone wants to eat khanzir go stuff your self and die eating it, but don't make it Halal in Islam with progressive bs. If you're not happy with the teaching of Islam find a new religion become Hindu worship a cow, or Penis and Vagina god of Hindus, whatever, but don't change the religion of Islam. And i noted members here were making Islam into their own image and i thought I put few things right. Anyway there is little to no point here. I waste quite bit of my time on here. Its beginning to effect publishing my articles. And this prolly was my last message on the forum. I am packing it in, in sha Allah.

Fei lung ji means finger movements of dragon. I use to learn Lau Gar Kung Fu and it was name of a form/kata. I can't remember if it was Cantonese or Madrian ... lol.

Yes, but you have to understand that every thread is not for religious discussion rather we should stick to the topic and of course you can create a new thread for a topic that you think is important. I deal with all kinds of people including those you have mentioned but everything has some rule to be done properly following the rules of the forum. If you fail to do so, I'm afraid your stay might be short lived on this forum so I'm advising you as a senior to learn the rules of the forum and follow rather our brother @The Eagle may be a better guide.

 

[war&peace]

You Can Block Yank Goods Passage to Afghanistan ----
You can even Block Costal Sea to Make things More Difficult.

In Return Yanks --- Got Big Pockets to sustain aerial delivery of Years.

Amareika does lot of Arm Twisting to IMF to Lend you Greeen Bucks in Distress (This Fact should never be Over Looked).... Yes Trump is a New Creature who needs to be Tested add to that Mr Pence....

Lets Say Paksitan Blocks for 6 months -- Papa USA will stop All Arms Supplies (Thats Fine)
But If Yanks Stop Spare SPPLIES --- All your Cannons to A/c will be Grounded....

Many Pakistanis fail to Concede the 1982 - 40 F16s you have Got are Worked up and Need Extensive Replacement.
Turks have done Minor Polishing -- Till Americans approve they cant give Major Refit.

If you were Smart -- You will send an Envoy to Russia --- Saying We would like to be in Your Camp --- We would like you to be Our Big Brother (!!) --- This One Act of Defiance will Put Amareika in Its Place...

& pls dont reply by Saying Mr Han is Big Brother as they charge you Collateral for Every Ounce of Steel they Lend you---

Your comment couldn't be farther from truth as usual. USA is a powerful country but it does not enjoy any leverage over Pakistan. Pakistan is not doing any major weapons deals with it and Pakistan has sufficient reserves of spares for years to come. The moment USA stops financial assistance to Islamabad, it loses the last ray of hope of getting Pakistan on its side.
Also you're totally mistaken that USA can sustain expensive airlifting through the central Asian countries as Iran and China won't allow so the cost will be multiples of times higher.

China and Pakistan have maintained this close relationship for 6 decades and it passed down through several generations, probably it will still last for another 6 decades so please just do some predictions within your life time. At least you can be still alive to see if they would come true or not.

100% agreed.

 

[The Eagle]

Yes, but you have to understand that every thread is not for religious discussion rather we should stick to the topic and of course you can create a new thread for a topic that you think is important. I deal with all kinds of people including those you have mentioned but everything has some rule to be done properly following the rules of the forum. If you fail to do so, I'm afraid your stay might be short lived on this forum so I'm advising you as a senior to learn the rules of the forum and follow rather our brother @The Eagle may be a better guide.

Religious discussion is banned due to many issues that mostly such subjects ends with trolling, insults, throwing tantrums and above all, lack of understanding as well as knowledge about the same. A person that follows any xyz religion is not looking at PDF for correction or being misguided though, it is the duty of the person to seek truth and right information and not to believe the so-called internet gospel truths. However, the irony is, one that wants to correct someone is yet found insulting other's religious sentiments as well as involved in inappropriate language which is the reason that such kind of sensitive subjects are banned for good.

Rest about derailing thread and going off-topic, doesn't need further explanation though, Forum Rules explains all well.

 

[Vapnope]

Troubling trait of Pakistani state i.e. they are looking at someone else to solve their problems for them. No its gonna happen. Chinese are business, they wont take unnecessary risks for you or anyone else for that matter. YOU will have to devise a policy yourself, to contain your enemies and make more friends. The effective policy can lend some help from friend countries, however to base policies totally on their support will be a blunder.

 

[cloud4000]

Pakistan-China-Russia-Iran can make an alliance over this issue and can throw the foreign occupiers by just denying them any access through their land or airspace.

Good idea. So what's stopping them from doing it right now? I don't think anybody has a plan for what to do if the US leaves. Until there is one, nothing will change.

 

[Mugwop]

Crush NO! Compete against it I believe so.

 

[MrSato1]

I am sorry my Pakistani brother I do not share your fantasy. I am being realistic. I know the past, present, and based on events of these I can assume the future. I am unlikely to be around sixty years. I am already 37, maybe another 30/35 year if I go by life expectancy. What I am saying is any unbiased analyst will tell you. You know I can too, sing praises of our relationship with China, and too decide to live in fantasy of eternal friendship between Pakistan and China, and comfort myself that nothing will ever go wrong with China Pakistan relationship.

Problem with Pakistan and Pakistanis is that we become friends with people and nations. Pakistani presidents become buddies with presidents and will do anything for their buddy president. Professional presidents are friends uptil you serve their objectives. Soon as you don't you're no longer a friend. Pakistani presidents busy themselves cultivating personal relationships and not professional. And you're taking your friendship and thinkng Chinese president feels the same. Their friendship is professional and business friendship and it ends when they have no buisiness.

You are complaining like a typical third world looser, thats exactly what alliances are, a joint front towards a mutual interest. Without mutual interest there us no alliance! Why is that fact a point of interest in this descussion?

 

[war&peace]

Religious discussion is banned due to many issues that mostly such subjects ends with trolling, insults, throwing tantrums and above all, lack of understanding as well as knowledge about the same. A person that follows any xyz religion is not looking at PDF for correction or being misguided though, it is the duty of the person to seek truth and right information and not to believe the so-called internet gospel truths. However, the irony is, one that wants to correct someone is yet found insulting other's religious sentiments as well as involved in inappropriate language which is the reason that such kind of sensitive subjects are banned for good.

Rest about derailing thread and going off-topic, doesn't need further explanation though, Forum Rules explains all well.

Thanks bro for being an reinforcement and reiterating what I was trying to tell him since apparently he is trying to initiate a religious debate on a thread that's neutral on this aspect. A typical troll trait I must say.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Absolutely China will replace USA when it comes to having military interests in Pakistan.

 

[SQ8]

A simple intelligent overview of PAF inventory along with spares expenditures should tell you how very very much the PAF is heavily dependent upon US hardware, software and knowledge.

Its next to impossible with current and any realistic optimism based future budget levels that that the PAF absolves itself of US source dependency.

 

[war&peace]

Good idea. So what's stopping them from doing it right now? I don't think anybody has a plan for what to do if the US leaves. Until there is one, nothing will change.

Well bringing all the stakeholders on to the table and let them come up with an agreement while the four countries facilitate the dialogue.

Troubling trait of Pakistani state i.e. they are looking at someone else to solve their problems for them. No its gonna happen. Chinese are business, they wont take unnecessary risks for you or anyone else for that matter. YOU will have to devise a policy yourself, to contain your enemies and make more friends. The effective policy can lend some help from friend countries, however to base policies totally on their support will be a blunder.

Pakistan needs to decides what's best in its interests and also maintain cordial relations with all. However, if you have corrupt and treacherous people like NS ruling you then they will compromise anything for their corruption.
Once you have an honest leader like ZAB or IK in power, you can expect the country to evolve an independent and still amicable friendship with most of the countries.

 

[Lasit Borphukan]

lol , That's the first time I learned that I m not Chinese. we can talk in Chinese, can you do that?

I've got warned sereval time for posting some Chinese language material on PDF. I hope you know that.

with that much of English, you could have been an english professor in Beijing University ...