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Why would people from China, the world's second-biggest economy, risk their lives to enter the UK?

https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/02/...nd-and-south-korea-with-34-of-key-5g-patents/

Seriously, i dont know how accurate are your source. There is no denial Huawei is King for 5G. Pls dont quote bogus source to prove a point.

Again, did people in China only read an article by its heading? Did you read the entire article?

First of all, the article you quote actually quote the Research Firm I quote "IPlytics", so basically, if your article is to be believable, they come from the source of my article.

Secondly, if you read thru the whole article, it said their method of coming into conclusion is to keyword searching of all 94 millions patent filed, and the method they come to that conclusion is quote "Imperfect" end quote

The whole article is as follow

Standards-essential patents are the ones so important that everyone in an industry needs to license them, turning major innovations into royalty goldmines for their inventors. If the latest research from patent analytics firm IPlytics (via Nikkei) is correct, China’s share of 5G standard-essential patent filings has grown sharply from the 4G era, and could enable Chinese companies to earn a third of all 5G patent revenues — even if the companies are banned from selling products in countries where their patents are being used.

According to IPlytics, companies in China have applied for roughly 34% of the world’s major 5G patents as of March 2019, compared with South Korea’s 25%, and 14% each for the United States and Finland. Sweden stood at nearly 8%, and Japan at almost 5%, while Taiwan, Canada, the U.K., and Italy rounded out the top 10 countries, each with under 1% shares.

It’s worth noting that this measurement process isn’t perfect, as it relies on the firm’s analysis of a global database of 94 million patent and standard documents, not final issued patents. Using keyword searches, the firm identified around 74,500 key 5G patents in that pool, with the automotive sector strongly leading the way. Over several years of filings, 5G internet of things and smart energy patents have been modestly on the rise, while smart factory patents have remained small but solid.

iplytics5g.jpg


Also interesting: China’s share of 5G patents is around 50% higher than its 4G share, where it was almost identical to South Korea — each had roughly 22% of global patents. While South Korean, Finnish, and Swedish companies have slightly increased their relative percentages of patent filings in the 5G era, the U.S., Japan, and other countries have all fallen at least a little behind their 4G paces.

As judged by individual company filings, the big winner of the 5G generation could be China’s Huawei, which holds over 15% of the world’s 5G patents, while Finland’s Nokia has nearly 14%. Korea’s Samsung is just under 13%, with key rival LG at over 12%. The top U.S. company, Qualcomm, has just over 8% of the standard essential 5G patent filings, roughly equivalent to Sweden’s Ericsson, but behind the 11.7% share of China’s ZTE. Intel holds over a 5% share, with a variety of Chinese and Japanese innovators grabbing smaller pieces of the 5G pie.

The value of these patents is considerable. Just yesterday, Qualcomm said that it will receive between $4.5 and $4.7 billion in back payments from Apple alone, representing around two years of missed 4G royalty payments due to their international legal dispute. Qualcomm’s fraction of essential 5G patent filings is only slightly smaller than its 4G holdings, so its annual 5G patent licensing revenues across multiple licensees should easily be in the multiple billions of dollars.

Assuming that the final patent percentages shake out similarly to the filings, many of the earliest 5G pioneers will be handsomely rewarded with patent revenues regardless of whether they’re supplying the specific base stations and chips individual customers are buying. This should enable China’s Huawei and ZTE to make up somewhat for the sales they’ll lose in foreign markets, while giving all of the innovators a guaranteed revenue stream that could be used to discount their individual products for sale to carriers and 5G device customers.
 
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The data is from a German research (which co-incidentally, pair with Huawei)
China in pole position for 5G era with a third of key patents
US and Japan lose market share, as Huawei and ZTE bulk up

AKITO TANAKA, Nikkei senior staff writerMAY 03, 2019 02:02 JST

TOKYO -- Chinese companies account for 34% of worldwide applications for major patents related to 5G technology, putting it in a position to drive the development of new industries that use ultrafast-communication networks.

The latest wireless communication standard can handle huge volumes of data at high speed, and is crucial to the development of technologies such as autonomous driving systems. Whoever controls the most "standard essential patents," or SEPs, for 5G will likely come out on top in the race to develop a new generation of advanced industries.

As of March, China had filed for 34% of SEPs for 5G communication systems, an increase of more than 50% compared with its share of 4G patents, according to IPlytics, a German company that maintains a huge patent database. South Korea had a quarter of key 5G patents, while the share of filings by Japanese and U.S. entities fell compared with the 4G era.


The rise of China marks a clear change from when 3G and 4G were launched. Companies from the U.S. and Europe held the key SEPs at both stages, and Chinese companies had to pay large royalty fees to Western companies.

Royalties for SEPs are often determined through negotiations between patent holders and users. In the case of smartphones, 2% or so of the price of the product is the going rate. Companies with many SEPs sometimes conclude cross-licensing agreements that allow them to use competitors' technology free of charge, depending on the number of technologies and their importance.

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https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/5...sition-for-5G-era-with-a-third-of-key-patents
 
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China in pole position for 5G era with a third of key patents
US and Japan lose market share, as Huawei and ZTE bulk up

AKITO TANAKA, Nikkei senior staff writerMAY 03, 2019 02:02 JST

TOKYO -- Chinese companies account for 34% of worldwide applications for major patents related to 5G technology, putting it in a position to drive the development of new industries that use ultrafast-communication networks.

The latest wireless communication standard can handle huge volumes of data at high speed, and is crucial to the development of technologies such as autonomous driving systems. Whoever controls the most "standard essential patents," or SEPs, for 5G will likely come out on top in the race to develop a new generation of advanced industries.

As of March, China had filed for 34% of SEPs for 5G communication systems, an increase of more than 50% compared with its share of 4G patents, according to IPlytics, a German company that maintains a huge patent database. South Korea had a quarter of key 5G patents, while the share of filings by Japanese and U.S. entities fell compared with the 4G era.


The rise of China marks a clear change from when 3G and 4G were launched. Companies from the U.S. and Europe held the key SEPs at both stages, and Chinese companies had to pay large royalty fees to Western companies.

Royalties for SEPs are often determined through negotiations between patent holders and users. In the case of smartphones, 2% or so of the price of the product is the going rate. Companies with many SEPs sometimes conclude cross-licensing agreements that allow them to use competitors' technology free of charge, depending on the number of technologies and their importance.

https%3A%2F%2Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%2Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%2Fimages%2F_aliases%2Farticleimage%2F9%2F4%2F4%2F9%2F20319449-1-eng-GB%2F20190415-5G-patent-come-from-Hrz.png

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/5...sition-for-5G-era-with-a-third-of-key-patents
I guess some just in denial mode. he dont know what he is talking and just for sake of fabricating things to prove a point. Repeatly denial the obvious.
 
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Again, did people in China only read an article by its heading? Did you read the entire article?

First of all, the article you quote actually quote the Research Firm I quote "IPlytics", so basically, if your article is to be believable, they come from the source of my article.

Secondly, if you read thru the whole article, it said their method of coming into conclusion is to keyword searching of all 94 millions patent filed, and the method they come to that conclusion is quote "Imperfect" end quote

The whole article is as follow

Standards-essential patents are the ones so important that everyone in an industry needs to license them, turning major innovations into royalty goldmines for their inventors. If the latest research from patent analytics firm IPlytics (via Nikkei) is correct, China’s share of 5G standard-essential patent filings has grown sharply from the 4G era, and could enable Chinese companies to earn a third of all 5G patent revenues — even if the companies are banned from selling products in countries where their patents are being used.

According to IPlytics, companies in China have applied for roughly 34% of the world’s major 5G patents as of March 2019, compared with South Korea’s 25%, and 14% each for the United States and Finland. Sweden stood at nearly 8%, and Japan at almost 5%, while Taiwan, Canada, the U.K., and Italy rounded out the top 10 countries, each with under 1% shares.

It’s worth noting that this measurement process isn’t perfect, as it relies on the firm’s analysis of a global database of 94 million patent and standard documents, not final issued patents. Using keyword searches, the firm identified around 74,500 key 5G patents in that pool, with the automotive sector strongly leading the way. Over several years of filings, 5G internet of things and smart energy patents have been modestly on the rise, while smart factory patents have remained small but solid.

iplytics5g.jpg


Also interesting: China’s share of 5G patents is around 50% higher than its 4G share, where it was almost identical to South Korea — each had roughly 22% of global patents. While South Korean, Finnish, and Swedish companies have slightly increased their relative percentages of patent filings in the 5G era, the U.S., Japan, and other countries have all fallen at least a little behind their 4G paces.

As judged by individual company filings, the big winner of the 5G generation could be China’s Huawei, which holds over 15% of the world’s 5G patents, while Finland’s Nokia has nearly 14%. Korea’s Samsung is just under 13%, with key rival LG at over 12%. The top U.S. company, Qualcomm, has just over 8% of the standard essential 5G patent filings, roughly equivalent to Sweden’s Ericsson, but behind the 11.7% share of China’s ZTE. Intel holds over a 5% share, with a variety of Chinese and Japanese innovators grabbing smaller pieces of the 5G pie.

The value of these patents is considerable. Just yesterday, Qualcomm said that it will receive between $4.5 and $4.7 billion in back payments from Apple alone, representing around two years of missed 4G royalty payments due to their international legal dispute. Qualcomm’s fraction of essential 5G patent filings is only slightly smaller than its 4G holdings, so its annual 5G patent licensing revenues across multiple licensees should easily be in the multiple billions of dollars.

Assuming that the final patent percentages shake out similarly to the filings, many of the earliest 5G pioneers will be handsomely rewarded with patent revenues regardless of whether they’re supplying the specific base stations and chips individual customers are buying. This should enable China’s Huawei and ZTE to make up somewhat for the sales they’ll lose in foreign markets, while giving all of the innovators a guaranteed revenue stream that could be used to discount their individual products for sale to carriers and 5G device customers.
@Beast, doesn't he remind you of someone?
Hint: Pretend to be Chinese but Anti-chinese.
Hint 2: ID that starts with J.

@beijingwalker

Someone else asked me about this. But I don't remember the member's name.
 
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Again, did people in China only read an article by its heading? Did you read the entire article?

First of all, the article you quote actually quote the Research Firm I quote "IPlytics", so basically, if your article is to be believable, they come from the source of my article.

Secondly, if you read thru the whole article, it said their method of coming into conclusion is to keyword searching of all 94 millions patent filed, and the method they come to that conclusion is quote "Imperfect" end quote

The whole article is as follow

Standards-essential patents are the ones so important that everyone in an industry needs to license them, turning major innovations into royalty goldmines for their inventors. If the latest research from patent analytics firm IPlytics (via Nikkei) is correct, China’s share of 5G standard-essential patent filings has grown sharply from the 4G era, and could enable Chinese companies to earn a third of all 5G patent revenues — even if the companies are banned from selling products in countries where their patents are being used.

According to IPlytics, companies in China have applied for roughly 34% of the world’s major 5G patents as of March 2019, compared with South Korea’s 25%, and 14% each for the United States and Finland. Sweden stood at nearly 8%, and Japan at almost 5%, while Taiwan, Canada, the U.K., and Italy rounded out the top 10 countries, each with under 1% shares.

It’s worth noting that this measurement process isn’t perfect, as it relies on the firm’s analysis of a global database of 94 million patent and standard documents, not final issued patents. Using keyword searches, the firm identified around 74,500 key 5G patents in that pool, with the automotive sector strongly leading the way. Over several years of filings, 5G internet of things and smart energy patents have been modestly on the rise, while smart factory patents have remained small but solid.

iplytics5g.jpg


Also interesting: China’s share of 5G patents is around 50% higher than its 4G share, where it was almost identical to South Korea — each had roughly 22% of global patents. While South Korean, Finnish, and Swedish companies have slightly increased their relative percentages of patent filings in the 5G era, the U.S., Japan, and other countries have all fallen at least a little behind their 4G paces.

As judged by individual company filings, the big winner of the 5G generation could be China’s Huawei, which holds over 15% of the world’s 5G patents, while Finland’s Nokia has nearly 14%. Korea’s Samsung is just under 13%, with key rival LG at over 12%. The top U.S. company, Qualcomm, has just over 8% of the standard essential 5G patent filings, roughly equivalent to Sweden’s Ericsson, but behind the 11.7% share of China’s ZTE. Intel holds over a 5% share, with a variety of Chinese and Japanese innovators grabbing smaller pieces of the 5G pie.

The value of these patents is considerable. Just yesterday, Qualcomm said that it will receive between $4.5 and $4.7 billion in back payments from Apple alone, representing around two years of missed 4G royalty payments due to their international legal dispute. Qualcomm’s fraction of essential 5G patent filings is only slightly smaller than its 4G holdings, so its annual 5G patent licensing revenues across multiple licensees should easily be in the multiple billions of dollars.

Assuming that the final patent percentages shake out similarly to the filings, many of the earliest 5G pioneers will be handsomely rewarded with patent revenues regardless of whether they’re supplying the specific base stations and chips individual customers are buying. This should enable China’s Huawei and ZTE to make up somewhat for the sales they’ll lose in foreign markets, while giving all of the innovators a guaranteed revenue stream that could be used to discount their individual products for sale to carriers and 5G device customers.

They just a leave a slight benefit of doubts. Can you say what u quote is 100% accurate and perfect. No, you can't. I applaud the writer of that article to stand on a fair point of viewing with regards to his research.
 
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China in pole position for 5G era with a third of key patents
US and Japan lose market share, as Huawei and ZTE bulk up

AKITO TANAKA, Nikkei senior staff writerMAY 03, 2019 02:02 JST

TOKYO -- Chinese companies account for 34% of worldwide applications for major patents related to 5G technology, putting it in a position to drive the development of new industries that use ultrafast-communication networks.

The latest wireless communication standard can handle huge volumes of data at high speed, and is crucial to the development of technologies such as autonomous driving systems. Whoever controls the most "standard essential patents," or SEPs, for 5G will likely come out on top in the race to develop a new generation of advanced industries.

As of March, China had filed for 34% of SEPs for 5G communication systems, an increase of more than 50% compared with its share of 4G patents, according to IPlytics, a German company that maintains a huge patent database. South Korea had a quarter of key 5G patents, while the share of filings by Japanese and U.S. entities fell compared with the 4G era.


The rise of China marks a clear change from when 3G and 4G were launched. Companies from the U.S. and Europe held the key SEPs at both stages, and Chinese companies had to pay large royalty fees to Western companies.

Royalties for SEPs are often determined through negotiations between patent holders and users. In the case of smartphones, 2% or so of the price of the product is the going rate. Companies with many SEPs sometimes conclude cross-licensing agreements that allow them to use competitors' technology free of charge, depending on the number of technologies and their importance.

https%3A%2F%2Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%2Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%2Fimages%2F_aliases%2Farticleimage%2F9%2F4%2F4%2F9%2F20319449-1-eng-GB%2F20190415-5G-patent-come-from-Hrz.png

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/5...sition-for-5G-era-with-a-third-of-key-patents

First of all, China have 34% 5G patent is not the same as Huawei having 34% of 5G patent, China have several technology company contenting with 5G patent. That is if what you said is true.

Second of all, as said before, the "Counting" method, as written in your article is not reliable, it also counted patent filed as well as patent granted. Basically they just do a database check and filter out keyword.

Refer to the previous article
 
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@Beast, doesn't he remind you of someone?
Hint: Pretend to be Chinese but Anti-chinese.
Hint 2: ID that starts with J.

@beijingwalker

Someone else asked me about this. But I don't remember the member's name.
A massive campaign is underway with media attack funded by some particular country. Their members are now working very hard. I am not surprised at all..
 
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@Beast, doesn't he remind you of someone?
Hint: Pretend to be Chinese but Anti-chinese.
Hint 2: ID that starts with J.

@beijingwalker

Someone else asked me about this. But I don't remember the member's name.

I don't really know what you are talking about, but I am not pretending to be Chinese, I am a Hong Konger, you may not consider I am a Chinese because I am from Hong Kong, that does not mean I pretend to be one.

They just a leave a slight benefit of doubts. Can you say what u quote is 100% accurate and perfect. No, you can't. I applaud the writer of that article to stand on a fair point of viewing with regards to his research.

But then I am not the one who is making a point now?

If you say Huawei lead 5G and what I say is wrong, then the same set of circumstance also applies, as how do you know your source article is 100% accurate? You can't. And as the article itself said, it wasn't.

I don't need to be right to prove you are wrong, I only need to prove that you are wrong to say you are wrong, it may sound strange to you but in a court of law, it is how factual matter stands

A massive campaign is underway with media attack funded by some particular country. Their members are now working very hard. I am not surprised at all..

Working very hard? LOL

excuse me, but I do have a life to live, unlike you. I hasn't been on this forum for the last 3 months because I have school and other stuff to attend to.

You may be working very hard to work for your own ulterior agenda, but me? How hard is it to come to this forum 5 days every 3 months? You tell me.
 
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I don't really know what you are talking about, but I am not pretending to be Chinese, I am a Hong Konger, you may not consider I am a Chinese because I am from Hong Kong, that does not mean I pretend to be one.
Blah blah blah...
We're watching you. Get your IP and extradited you to China.
:D
 
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I don't really know what you are talking about, but I am not pretending to be Chinese, I am a Hong Konger, you may not consider I am a Chinese because I am from Hong Kong, that does not mean I pretend to be one.



But then I am not the one who is making a point now?

If you say Huawei lead 5G and what I say is wrong, then the same set of circumstance also applies, as how do you know your source article is 100% accurate? You can't. And as the article itself said, it wasn't.

I don't need to be right to prove you are wrong, I only need to prove that you are wrong to say you are wrong, it may sound strange to you but in a court of law, it is how factual matter stands



Working very hard? LOL

excuse me, but I do have a life to live, unlike you. I hasn't been on this forum for the last 3 months because I have school and other stuff to attend to.

You may be working very hard to work for your own ulterior agenda, but me? How hard is it to come to this forum 5 days every 3 months? You tell me.
I have seen more and know more. I seriously do not know where you get your source of info regards to all your views.

There is reason why Huawei wins a big chunk of 5G deal world wide despite security concern raise by others. Those giant Telecom companies award 5G contract to Huawei are very knowledgeable and rational people who know what's best serve their business and what it can bring for their customers. Their decision is made after many rounds of careful research and study. Pricing alone cannot win a tech projects like 5G.

And first of all, do some research about sub-5 and milli wave for 5G for better understanding of about it in the first place.
 
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Blah blah blah...
We're watching you. Get your IP and extradited you to China.
:D

What are you? Pakistan Defence Forum vigilante? Should I be afraid of you guys? LOL

Too bad Carrie Lam withdraw the bill, you can't extradite me to China even if I am in Hong Kong. You want to come try? I live in Shams Shui Po. You can come and find me.
 
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I don't really know what you are talking about, but I am not pretending to be Chinese, I am a Hong Konger, you may not consider I am a Chinese because I am from Hong Kong, that does not mean I pretend to be one.



But then I am not the one who is making a point now?

If you say Huawei lead 5G and what I say is wrong, then the same set of circumstance also applies, as how do you know your source article is 100% accurate? You can't. And as the article itself said, it wasn't.

I don't need to be right to prove you are wrong, I only need to prove that you are wrong to say you are wrong, it may sound strange to you but in a court of law, it is how factual matter stands



Working very hard? LOL

excuse me, but I do have a life to live, unlike you. I hasn't been on this forum for the last 3 months because I have school and other stuff to attend to.

You may be working very hard to work for your own ulterior agenda, but me? How hard is it to come to this forum 5 days every 3 months? You tell me.
Huawei has fastest 5G download speed and best price. And is the biggest 5G patent owner. If all of these combined can not be called as "lead 5G", you tell me what can be.
 
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I have seen more and know more. I seriously do not know where you get your source of info regards to all your views.

There is reason why Huawei wins a big chunk of 5G deal world wide despite security concern raise by others. Those giant Telecom companies award 5G contract to Huawei are very knowledgeable and rational people who know what's best serve their business and what it can bring for their customers. Their decision is made after many rounds of careful research and study. Pricing alone cannot win a tech projects like 5G.

And first of all, do some research about sub-5 and milli wave for 5G for better understanding of about it in the first place.

Again, my source is IPlytic, the same source in your article.

And to be clear, I don't think there is a clear leader in 5G, because I don't think there are only 1 way you can do 5G, however, you guys are the one keep saying Huawei is the leader of 5G, so if you want to claim that, you need to show me proof and tell me what is making Huawei lead in 5G even tho Huawei did not even achieve one meaningful 5G milestone as I point out before.

If you want to talk about 5G in more technical term, I can ask my roommate to talk to you, he is a Master of Communication Engineer and Electronic Engineer student and he work for Telstra. If you want to talk about Accounting and law, you talk to me.

Huawei has fastest 5G download speed and best price. And is the biggest 5G patent owner. If all of these combined can not be called as "lead 5G", you tell me what can be.

again, can you back up your quote?

And if so, why Huawei is not on any of the 5G Milestone I have listed?

Hint, there are no one leading 5G, not the South Korean, not the American, and not the Chinese, you can claim that if that make you sleep better at night, but that is only that, you can only claim. It's like saying South Korean is currently leading 4G or whatever because Samsung top 4G mobile phone sale in the world.
 
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again, can you back up your quote?

And if so, why Huawei is not on any of the 5G Milestone I have listed?

Hint, there are no one leading 5G, not the South Korean, not the American, and not the Chinese, you can claim that if that make you sleep better at night, but that is only that, you can only claim. It's like saying South Korean is currently leading 4G or whatever because Samsung top 4G mobile phone sale in the world.
How long haven't you read news? So many countries choosing Huawei under US pressure itself has proven everything.
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What are you? Pakistan Defence Forum vigilante? Should I be afraid of you guys? LOL

Too bad Carrie Lam withdraw the bill, you can't extradite me to China even if I am in Hong Kong. You want to come try? I live in Shams Shui Po. You can come and find me.

it's like dealing with a gang of playground bullies :lol:
 
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