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I am not interested in this topic or the trolling going on but I am almost forced to make a comment when I see posts like this.
@JKangoroo or whatever he is called is not an Arab. I don't care if he claims to be an Austrian, half Jordanian, fully Austrian. I can easily spot when someone is sincere. He does not speak nor write Arabic and his user history speaks for itself. Half of his posts are insults towards Arabs. He is no Arab.
Are you kidding? As for are you for real?
What do you know about what the Arab world (more than 20 countries) have done for Palestine? Do I need to state that 1000's of Arab soldiers from numerous Arab countries have given their lives for Palestine and fought for it in fairly recent times? That Arab countries are so far the only Muslim countries to go to war with Israel? That the Arab world/Arab countries are those that have hosted by far the most Palestinians and continue to do so? That the Arab countries continue to donate the most to Palestine like throughout all of history.
Do you really think that a few speeches by Erdogan and some building projects in Gaza will change all this?
Sorry but that is a incredibly ridiculous post.
As for the nonsense "backstabbing" there was never such a thing. Otherwise we Arabs can easily claim that Turks were backstabbers as we Arabs ruled the Caliphate from the beginning until 1517. Almost 1000 years. Besides how can you "betray" yourself?
As for "kafir nonsense", I never knew that Germans (Ottoman allies) were Muslims. Also I thought that most of the population was Arab? I must be confusing the Ottomans with Papuans.
So let us stop this nonsense once and for all. Israel (due to the strong support for it and powerful Jewish lobby in the West and powerful Jewish families like the Rothschild's etc.) would have been created anyway. Just like US/Western support ensures Israel's safety. Similar to how they tolerate them being a nuclear power (something they also managed to be thanks to the West). Without this support Israel would not even be able to deal with the Palestinians let alone the entire Arab and Muslim world.
Brother you should not tolerate insults against Arabs. I am not aware of any Arab who does such a thing in real life nor on internet forums. We are extremely proud people. You know this. Such kind of behavior should tell you a lot.
And now the same Israel is calling for a Kurdistan to be established. I guess, that this is Allah's (SWT) punishment too. History repeating itself.
Sure. You just asked all 500 million + Arabs worldwide. Not only that you know whether all Muslims care about Palestinians. As if Palestinians are the only Arabs that have ever suffered or are currently suffering. How many people here care about Libyans for instance? Or Yemenis. Or Iraqis. Don't make a fool out of yourself.
Muslims tend to care about Palestine because of Al-Quds and the injustices committed by Israel. Itself a special case in the Muslim world. Not because of the people being Palestinians or Arabs. Stop kidding yourself.
Nobody asks you to care about anyone else besides China and Turkey. However you are solely 1 Pakistani, moreover one not even living in Pakistan, out of 200 million or so people. I can guarantee you that most Pakistanis have a different view and similarly most Arabs do not share the nonsense view that you think that they share.
However I do believe that the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world (located in the GCC) very much care as do their family members and Pakistan as a country as it receives billions in remittances each year. Not only that there are long-standing cultural and trade ties that are well over 5000 years old. As well as 1400 year old religious ties as well as ethnic ties (there are Pakistanis of Arab ancestry and people of Pakistani ancestry in the GCC). Something that you seemingly can't comprehend. Even on this forum there are a few Arab-Pakistanis (mixtures) let alone the many Pakistani users that live in KSA (let alone other GCC states) - some of the most active users here.
I don't think so. From what I have experienced most Turks have no problems with Arabs (rather the opposite) although you have people who somehow blame Arabs (who were the majority of the Ottoman population) for somehow "destroying it" yet they never mention the real reasons behind this or the fact that many other peoples (including Turks in modern-day Turkey themselves) wanted to get rid of the Ottomans and rebelled. Also this nonsense of "British help" (the same British that betrayed Arabs) while the Ottomans were allies with Germans (Christians, also Europeans, also a European power - essentially just a different name).
It probably had something to do with Turkey being able to gain a lot from Israel. More than the other way around. After all Turkey (past regimes) did not suspend relations with 20 + Arab countries for the sake of tiny Israel.
BTW I personally agree with this policy as it makes no sense to boycott Israel for the sake of it. They will survive thanks to Western (US and European support as well as 100's of rich and influential Jewish families) regardless. This policy has done nothing good.
In fact we should let the Palestinians themselves decide everything and solely support them politically, economically, culturally and by all other sensible means. First they themselves (Hamas and Fatah) need to have a common political front (truly) which looks likely nowadays. This is a conflict that locals (Israelis and Palestinians have) to solve, I am afraid. Yemenis, Libyans, Iraqis, Syrians (themselves having a hard time) cannot do so. Nobody how much we want to or at least most of us. Similarly only Yemenis can truly solve their civil war as well as Syrians. Almost everything was tried since Israel appeared. The key is the US/West here not Israel itself. If US/West demands Israel to recognize a Palestinian state, they will be forced to do so. It is that simple. A military solution did not work in the past (for various reasons) nor will it work today (for obvious reasons). It's the same "enemy", at times invisible at times visible (in this connection), in the form of the West, that prevents such a thing from occurring. And knowing about the "Samson Option" that might be for the better as the last thing this region needs is a nuclear war where we will all perish or most of us. I am afraid that dialogue is the only solution however bleak the situation appears like. People on the ground need to do their little differences each day and the international community must do its part as well.
I have a lot of respect and admiration for every Palestinian patriot regardless of ideology and religion (Muslim, Christian or Atheist) and I understand (or at least I try to understand) what they and their families have been going through in the past 70 + years but I am afraid that there is no other solution but dialogue and political pressure on Israel. If I am wrong, kindly explain to me why and give us a better solution. I am an outsider that is no familiar with neither Israel or Palestine (I have never visited) so this question is probably best answered by people who live there.
@JKangoroo or whatever he is called is not an Arab. I don't care if he claims to be an Austrian, half Jordanian, fully Austrian. I can easily spot when someone is sincere. He does not speak nor write Arabic and his user history speaks for itself. Half of his posts are insults towards Arabs. He is no Arab.
Are you kidding? As for are you for real?
What do you know about what the Arab world (more than 20 countries) have done for Palestine? Do I need to state that 1000's of Arab soldiers from numerous Arab countries have given their lives for Palestine and fought for it in fairly recent times? That Arab countries are so far the only Muslim countries to go to war with Israel? That the Arab world/Arab countries are those that have hosted by far the most Palestinians and continue to do so? That the Arab countries continue to donate the most to Palestine like throughout all of history.
Do you really think that a few speeches by Erdogan and some building projects in Gaza will change all this?
Sorry but that is a incredibly ridiculous post.
As for the nonsense "backstabbing" there was never such a thing. Otherwise we Arabs can easily claim that Turks were backstabbers as we Arabs ruled the Caliphate from the beginning until 1517. Almost 1000 years. Besides how can you "betray" yourself?
As for "kafir nonsense", I never knew that Germans (Ottoman allies) were Muslims. Also I thought that most of the population was Arab? I must be confusing the Ottomans with Papuans.
So let us stop this nonsense once and for all. Israel (due to the strong support for it and powerful Jewish lobby in the West and powerful Jewish families like the Rothschild's etc.) would have been created anyway. Just like US/Western support ensures Israel's safety. Similar to how they tolerate them being a nuclear power (something they also managed to be thanks to the West). Without this support Israel would not even be able to deal with the Palestinians let alone the entire Arab and Muslim world.
Brother you should not tolerate insults against Arabs. I am not aware of any Arab who does such a thing in real life nor on internet forums. We are extremely proud people. You know this. Such kind of behavior should tell you a lot.
And now the same Israel is calling for a Kurdistan to be established. I guess, that this is Allah's (SWT) punishment too. History repeating itself.
Sure. You just asked all 500 million + Arabs worldwide. Not only that you know whether all Muslims care about Palestinians. As if Palestinians are the only Arabs that have ever suffered or are currently suffering. How many people here care about Libyans for instance? Or Yemenis. Or Iraqis. Don't make a fool out of yourself.
Muslims tend to care about Palestine because of Al-Quds and the injustices committed by Israel. Itself a special case in the Muslim world. Not because of the people being Palestinians or Arabs. Stop kidding yourself.
Nobody asks you to care about anyone else besides China and Turkey. However you are solely 1 Pakistani, moreover one not even living in Pakistan, out of 200 million or so people. I can guarantee you that most Pakistanis have a different view and similarly most Arabs do not share the nonsense view that you think that they share.
However I do believe that the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world (located in the GCC) very much care as do their family members and Pakistan as a country as it receives billions in remittances each year. Not only that there are long-standing cultural and trade ties that are well over 5000 years old. As well as 1400 year old religious ties as well as ethnic ties (there are Pakistanis of Arab ancestry and people of Pakistani ancestry in the GCC). Something that you seemingly can't comprehend. Even on this forum there are a few Arab-Pakistanis (mixtures) let alone the many Pakistani users that live in KSA (let alone other GCC states) - some of the most active users here.
I don't think so. From what I have experienced most Turks have no problems with Arabs (rather the opposite) although you have people who somehow blame Arabs (who were the majority of the Ottoman population) for somehow "destroying it" yet they never mention the real reasons behind this or the fact that many other peoples (including Turks in modern-day Turkey themselves) wanted to get rid of the Ottomans and rebelled. Also this nonsense of "British help" (the same British that betrayed Arabs) while the Ottomans were allies with Germans (Christians, also Europeans, also a European power - essentially just a different name).
It probably had something to do with Turkey being able to gain a lot from Israel. More than the other way around. After all Turkey (past regimes) did not suspend relations with 20 + Arab countries for the sake of tiny Israel.
BTW I personally agree with this policy as it makes no sense to boycott Israel for the sake of it. They will survive thanks to Western (US and European support as well as 100's of rich and influential Jewish families) regardless. This policy has done nothing good.
In fact we should let the Palestinians themselves decide everything and solely support them politically, economically, culturally and by all other sensible means. First they themselves (Hamas and Fatah) need to have a common political front (truly) which looks likely nowadays. This is a conflict that locals (Israelis and Palestinians have) to solve, I am afraid. Yemenis, Libyans, Iraqis, Syrians (themselves having a hard time) cannot do so. Nobody how much we want to or at least most of us. Similarly only Yemenis can truly solve their civil war as well as Syrians. Almost everything was tried since Israel appeared. The key is the US/West here not Israel itself. If US/West demands Israel to recognize a Palestinian state, they will be forced to do so. It is that simple. A military solution did not work in the past (for various reasons) nor will it work today (for obvious reasons). It's the same "enemy", at times invisible at times visible (in this connection), in the form of the West, that prevents such a thing from occurring. And knowing about the "Samson Option" that might be for the better as the last thing this region needs is a nuclear war where we will all perish or most of us. I am afraid that dialogue is the only solution however bleak the situation appears like. People on the ground need to do their little differences each day and the international community must do its part as well.
I have a lot of respect and admiration for every Palestinian patriot regardless of ideology and religion (Muslim, Christian or Atheist) and I understand (or at least I try to understand) what they and their families have been going through in the past 70 + years but I am afraid that there is no other solution but dialogue and political pressure on Israel. If I am wrong, kindly explain to me why and give us a better solution. I am an outsider that is no familiar with neither Israel or Palestine (I have never visited) so this question is probably best answered by people who live there.
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