" Netaji resigned a lucrative
job to join freedom struggle while few others came up with their bloated egos and divided the nation.....Nehru included."
I said you have posted rants ...
because is it necessary to turn it into Nehru Vs Bose thread ?
Is it necessary to drag Nehru into it ?
why we can't just pay obeisance to Netaji without getting into controversial and contentious issues ?
do you really think that Nehru divided the nation ?
I have read Dray's post .
For your information - I am posting here my reply to his post ...which he was off course tired to read and could not rebut effectively ...
so because three internet pages which carry same story - word to word without any variation - likely copied from single source - without any citation , reference , quotation and source becomes an undeniable , inviolable absolute truth ?
The whole things looks absolutely untenable to me . Netaji who had gone for interview with Governor General ( which is the post equivalent to Head of state ) actually hooked his umbrella around neck of Governor General and Warned him to mind his own business .... The whole story is incredibly fantabulous .
In fact I can post a more detailed account of this story from another source ...You read it and decide for yourself
" He was educated in England, belonged to a very rich family of Bengal, was going to be one of the top bureaucrats. He was trained for the Indian civil service in Britain, as were all top bureaucrats, most of whom were English. Very rarely was an Indian chosen -- not more than one percent. Otherwise on some small excuse, Indians were rejected.
Shree Aurobindo was rejected and you will not believe on what grounds. He had come first in every subject, he was one of the geniuses of this century. Only in horse riding could he not succeed. But what has horse riding to do with being a top officer? This was a strategy: he was a scholar and he became world famous, but he was rejected.
Every method was tried to reject Indians. Subhash they could not manage to reject. All their strategies he managed to overcome, so very reluctantly Britain accepted Subhash for their ICS. One thing more remained, which was a formality: every ICS officer had to appear for a personal interview before the governor-general. It was just a formality once you had passed the examination. Subhash entered into the office of the governor-general.
Bengalis always carry an umbrella -- one never knows why. Whether it is raining or not, whether it is hot or not; it may be winter and there is no need; they may have to carry it by their side, but they will carry it. An umbrella is absolutely necessary for a Bengali. If you see anybody carrying an umbrella, you understand: he is a Bengali. Now, there is no need to carry an umbrella into the office of the viceroy; at least you should leave it outside. But Bengalis will not leave their umbrellas.
Subhash kept his hat on, and carried his umbrella into the office. And he took a chair. The governor-general was very angry. He said, "Young man, you don't understand manners. Who passed you in the examinations of the ICS?"
Subhash said, "What manners?"
The governor-general said, "You have not taken off your hat and you have not asked my permission to sit down." The governor-general was not aware what kind of man this was. Subhash immediately picked his umbrella up and hooked the governor-general's neck into it. They were alone in the office, so ....
And Subhash told the governor-general, "If you want manners, then you should learn manners also. You remained sitting. You should have stood first. I was a guest. You did not remove your hat. Why should I remove mine? You did not ask my permission to go on sitting, why should I ask your permission? Who are you, do you think? At the most you can reject me for the ICS, but I will not leave it in your hands. I don't want to join the service." And he went out of the office, leaving the governor-general almost in shock. He never dreamt anybody could do such a thing. ..."
source
A World view on Netaji: Osho on Subhash Chandra Bose
I will not accept the internet links which have no single citation , reference to give to cross check the origin and veracity of this story .
do you really want to believe in the story because there are 3 or 4 internet links citing same thing ?
This is what bothers me ...people jump at the convenient stories which conform with their ideas and feelings which just help in reinforcing their biases . This is how rumors are spread , this is how riots happen , this is is how myth is created and perpetuated .
To admire Netaji and pay obeisance to him ...do we have to circulate such rubbish ?
why not remember the historical facts - such as his escape to Europe via Afghanistan ..his h journey to Germany ..his act of establishing azad hind radio and addressing nation ....( I still get goose flesh ...to imagine that )
People used to tune secretly to listen to Netaji's speeches ...despite British ban and dictat against it ...
His hazardous journey of tens of thousands of kilometer through submarine ...his act of raising Azah hind sena ...creating Rani Laximabi women regiment ....
His act of naming Andaman, Nicobar islands as Shahid and Swaraj
there are so many historically recorded mind boggling facts ....
why do we have to demean those achievements by singularly pointing out the stories which have no basis .
I tell you why people do that ...
People are always looking for something extraordinarily abnormal which will catch eyes and imagination of others .
most people are frail minded ...and they accept whatever is fed to them without rationally thinking or questioning .
This is why Internet is home to Never ending, Never Dying Fantastic Gossip and conspiracy theories ...
admiration is one thing and blind worship is another thing ....
I am strongly against people who peddle myth ...because after sometime it becomes inviolable truth .
We do not need myths to admire character of Netaji ...
Levina , It has got nothing to do with Nehru per se .
I have reservations about how people jump to the conclusions and how biases and myth become truth .
History has to be seen and read in its contemporary perspective . I am more than happy to discuss .
all I am saying that let us not get into character assassination !
If you have some views let us discuss and be open to listen to opposite views .
I have never forced my views on others .
But I will put my views forcefully if I feel the opposite side is incorrect .
This is not about Nehru, Gandhi , Congress, BJP , Modi or anything like that .
I am not Pro Modi or Pro Bose or Pro Gandhi .
I personally think there is no need to take sides .
Because nobody is perfects and there are chinks in every armor .
similarly I do not think that I can't be wrong . You are welcome to enlighten me and correct me ...but through dialogue and discussion . Not through personal attacks .
What the two indian members including
@DRAY did wrong was telling each other to put me on ignore list ...
I think that is a wrong attitude .
If one is not interested in discussion ..then one can just quit ...but then to adopt exclusivist approach just because someonelse does not agree with you is not a correct thing .