Why there's no need to be nostalgic for an undivided India

[Post Colonnial]

But why does Guha assume anyone is nostalgic about undivided India? I guess there are a few who miss the British but that should not be mistaken for 'undivided'. It is in human nature to 'miss' and be wistful a bit of past when you were young and ran around in gay abandon. That is not the same.

This sort fo woulda coulda shoulda type of writing based in IfOnly type of predicates are little more then empty gossip by people paid by number of words or one still trying to remain relevant after having lost one's spark!

 

[Menace2Society]

Not really this whole Hindu Muslim thing is too hyped up. Considering the federal structure of States and Central governments. We would have been fine and a good example of unity in diversity.

India is still a good example of communal harmony apart from a few incidents where rifts are created mainly due to vote bank politics.

There is a reason why millions migrated to Pakistan. If there was your so called communal harmony nobody would have left their homes.

Muslims in India would have gained independence either by hook or crook. The ideological divide would always ensure that.

 

[Shamain]

LOLZZZ.

Why on earth was the need to write such an article in the first place. Why would anyone consider a united india to begin with??

Who is dying to be with indees and their ughhh country india?
Its just that these despo indians cant get over the fact that we kicked them away and went on to have our own country , and indees are still depserate abt merging it back to their territory which they very well know they cant. So desperation comes out and shows in this form.

Poor indian souls vent their hearts thru writing such articles.

And if he talks abt communal violence. Then forget abt 47 riots,just beginning from indian independence uptil now, india has lost nearly 100,000 in their communal riots.

Was that pakistan behind it.

 

[MilSpec]

If in some parallel reality British India remained as one entity then entire subcontinent would have descended into absolute civil war. It would go on for decades and everyone would be living in war torn mud huts like Afghanistan.

Muslims would have most likely won and Hindu population would become a minority.

Because of severe war for sustained period this new entity would be ultra Islamic and merge with Afghanistan through Casus Belli and so on and so forth.

Indians should be breathing a sigh of relief.

I pity the mindset that has to fantasize an alternate reality for a win.... reality can be quite cruel...

 

[SrNair]

It is wrong to assume that Indian Muslims put religion over country. Modi's victory and BJP (supported) government in J&K proves me right.
There may be occasional cheering of Pakistani cricket team, or rally for Yakubs but these are one off incidents which get a lot of media support.
Most of the Muslims and Hindus get along well, and for their own good they acknowledge the fact that any disruptive behaviour can be perilous. Religious violences are condemned and gets no support from majority.


Pessimist!!!

Look at this way, if India was undivided then most probably we would have had both Jinnah and Nehru working shoulder to shoulder to spread the message of secularism in what would have been the largest country in the world(I assume). Nehru’s commitment to secularism can not be doubted. And let's not forget Jinnah's words on the day of independence "You can belong to any religion or caste or creed...that has nothing to do with the business of the State. We are all citizens and equal citizens of one State."

Your argument is quite right at present condition majority of Indians be it Hindus or Muslims dont like these religious thing..But how can be that much sure that this would have been the same case if there was no partition.Ramachandra Guha also pointed out to the Cold War politics.
Pakistan is still paying the price of USSR ,US struggle.Unlike Indian Muslims ,muslims in the FATA area like Pathans is too tough to convince .Even PA is facing tough time in that area and Pak Members themselves pointed out that in here several times .If there was no partition those guys would have been spread out other parts of our subcontinent and will enforce their own ideaology. And radicalism will spread, education or good behaviour, nothing can stop that.

Jinnah was a politician . Pakistan in his vision was a nation that is totally secular and competing Indian in every fields.But the method he used to create that nation was religious radicalism .And his vision vanished after his death.

I pity the mindset that has to fantasize an alternate reality for a win.... reality can be quite cruel...

Former IB legend B Raman explained that fact in quite humorous way in one of his article and ridiculed that ,the so called martial theory .

There is a reason why millions migrated to Pakistan. If there was your so called communal harmony nobody would have left their homes.

Muslims in India would have gained independence either by hook or crook. The ideological divide would always ensure that.

Then you should also explained the reason for present migration of Pakistanis in to India.

 

[navtrek]

There is a reason why millions migrated to Pakistan. If there was your so called communal harmony nobody would have left their homes.

Muslims in India would have gained independence either by hook or crook. The ideological divide would always ensure that.

Politics my friend is a very wired thing. "Divide and Rule!"

 

[Sky lord]

I concur!
Had Mountbatten shown more patience and stuck to the original date in 1948, partition would not have been so bitter.

Or maybe we would still be under colonial rule.

The Brits are not exactly known for their trust worthiness.

 

[That Guy]

LOL... just a few posts back you said, google source claimed it, now you are saying its MY baseless claims

You're playing semantics here. You posted this claiming it to be factual, thus making it your claim by inheritance.

Make up your mind. Then again .... how is it relevant ? do you have anything that proves the data wrong ?

What data, you didn't provide any data at all, other than population numbers.

I don't need to. That is your job. Dig it up to prove me wrong

It's your claim, of course you need to. The burden of evidence lies on the one making the claim. You really are dumb.

Your inability is not my burden. Its yours. Either you prove me wrong, or admit you cant.

I have proven you wrong, multiple times. You, on the other hand, have not been able to produce basic statistics to prove your claims, none at all.

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LOL ........ now you are the one making the Correlation ........ if its a logical fallacy, how can it show muslims are bad ?

Basic observation, but (unlike you) I'm not pushing it as a scientific fact.

Also, the intention behind you post is what determines what you were trying to do, not the post's accuracy itself. Use your brain.

If its not a logical fallacy, then if it does show muslism are bad, prove me wrong. Use your "grade school critial thinking" that you keep boasting about. Dazzle us

I have proven you wrong, on multiple occasions, by using basic reasoning skills, you dumbass.

More boasts and empty Rhetoric's ............ yawn ....... we are all waiting for you to prove the stats wrong.

You haven't provided a single stat at all.

You want me to credit "google" ? ....... this is BEYOND ABSURD. ........... anyway, how does it matter ?

No, I want you to credit the source which you got off of google. Like I said before, I HAVE proven you wrong.

The only one Absurd here is you.

Stop playing around and prove me wrong.
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I have.

 

[Sky lord]

Pakistan is still paying the price of USSR ,US struggle.Unlike Indian Muslims ,muslims in the FATA area like Pathans is too tough to convince .Even PA is facing tough time in that area and Pak Members themselves pointed out that in here several times .If there was no partition those guys would have been spread out other parts of our subcontinent and will enforce their own ideaology. And radicalism will spread, education or good behaviour, nothing can stop that.

You are mistaken I believe, indian Muslims are actually more hardline than Pakistani or Pashtuns, at least in the mid20th century. Just look up Frontier gandhi.

The Pashtuns are in fact quite honorable and would have gone the peaceful route if they had been given a fair deal, which they were not.

Indian Muslims especially Deobandi are in fact the most unreasonable people and it is their philosophy that is causing trouble through out South Asia. The only difference is that India is a democracy and protects free speech, hence liberal muslims are able to speak up against the deobands who anyway they are in too small a minority in a hindu majority country to really cause as much harm as they would like. If Pakistan were to really take in some of our UP, Malabar type Muslims they would be horrified...too much even for them.

 

[waz]

In reality know one really knows how an undivided India would have turned out. There were far too many variables at play.
Pakistan, India and later Bangladesh emerged.
Let's just concentrate on other things.

 

[Force-India]

Partition was inevitable. Communal riots were flamed by religious fanaticism with a mix of British propaganda and illiteracy. Today a common Indian really don't care about past since most of them are born after 1947, and i feel same is with Pakistanis.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Not having such a confederation works largely in India's favour since all the religious zealots moved west to form a separate country in 1947.

No not all religious zealots have gone to West, we still have many on this side and they are growing from strength to strength and you know who I am speaking of...

Higher muslim population is not synonymous to instability. Muslim population of the subcontinent is ostensibly more broad minded.

I believe the author wasn't trying to say that higher muslim population would have caused problems but just gave out certain possible scenarios had there been no partition, Apart from that the reasons you presented are good enough for an undivided India.