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Why there's no need to be nostalgic for an undivided India

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Sixty-eight years is a fairly advanced age for an individual, but a small span of time in the life of a nation. This must be why, every so often, a book or article appears lamenting the Partition of India in 1947. These blame the Congress, the Muslim League, Gandhi, Jinnah, Nehru, Patel — sometimes one, sometimes several, sometimes all of the above — for not doing enough to keep India together, or for actively aiding in its division. These books and articles then feed into what appears to be a widespread popular sentiment, to the effect that the citizens of what are now India, Bangladesh and Pakistan, would have been better off had they all been part of the same country.

I have thought long and hard about this question, both as a historian and as a citizen. And I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that although the large-scale communal violence before and after Partition could or should have been stopped or stemmed, the division of British India was not by itself a bad thing.

If Partition was to be avoided, it would have been on the basis of the Cabinet Mission Plan of 1946. That plan envisaged a very weak Centre, which controlled currency, foreign policy and external defence. The provinces were in charge of almost everything else.

This aspect of the Cabinet Mission Plan is moderately well known. What is not, and in fact hardly discussed in the literature, is that under that Plan the situation of the princely states was left extremely vague. They could decide whether to join a province with whom they had boundaries, but the terms were not clearly specified. Besides, the possibility of individual princely states staking a claim to independence was not foreclosed.

It must always be remembered that when the British left the sub-continent, they left behind not two political entities but more than 500. For they departed without in any way resolving the problem of the princely states. A vast majority of these states were embedded in India; far fewer in Pakistan. It was left to Vallabhbhai Patel, VP Menon and their team to painstakingly integrate these chiefdoms, one by one, into what is now the Republic of India.

Had the Cabinet Mission Plan gone through, there is no saying what would have happened with the maharajas and nawabs. The Centre would not have had the powers it, in fact, enjoyed after August 15, 1947. The princes would have driven a harder bargain; the larger ones might even have stayed out. They might, out of vanity, have wished to retain their stamps, their archaic rail systems; some may have even applied for membership of the United Nations. And the British Tories who hated the idea of Indian independence would have actively aided these efforts.

This is the first reason why we must not be nostalgic for an undivided India; that this would have created a wholly disunited India, with not just the provinces but the princely states free to threaten, blackmail, or secede from the Union. How could we ever have created the unified Republic, with a single Constitution, a common rail system, and contiguous territory (‘from Kashmir to Kanyakumari’) that we have now?

The rejection of the Cabinet Mission Plan was crucial to the survival of what is now India. It allowed Ambedkar and his colleagues to draft a progressive and unifying Constitution that mandated multi-party democracy, judicial independence, free movement of people and goods and programmes to tackle social inequality.

In India today, the Muslims constitute 13% of the population, or one in seven. Had there been an undivided India, the percentage of Muslims would have been closer to 33%, or one in three. The demographic balance would have been more delicate; and prone to being exploited by sectarians on either side. The politics of late colonial India had already emboldened religious fanatics; Muslim as well as Hindu. However, the Partition of India allowed Gandhi, Nehru and Patel to stamp down firmly on majority communalism and assure minorities a free and equal place in the Republic.

Because of these great leaders India is not — or at least not yet — a Hindu Pakistan. But had this been one country rather than two it would have been far more difficult to contain communal violence. The first civil war between Hindus and Muslims might have been on the question of the nation’s language, and the script in which it was to be written. Other and more bloody battles might have followed. India would then have been Lebanon writ large; a horrifying prospect.

A third reason not to be sentimental about an undivided India is that we would then have been a frontline State in the Cold War. Sharing borders with Afghanisthan, we would have had to contend with Russian and American rivalries, and with jihad and jihadis, far more actively than we do now.

By rejecting the idea of an undivided India, I by no means condone the violence at Partition. The division could have been handled more wisely. The last viceroy, Lord Mountbatten, was in too much haste, and more concerned with saving British lives than Indian ones. He failed to heed advice to post more troops in Punjab, sending detachments to protect tea estate managers and missionaries in the interior, while riots raged untamed in the heartland.

The Republic of India remains a work-in-progress. We are largely united and somewhat democratic. Yet deep inequalities of gender and caste persist. Religious and ethnic violence have not entirely abated. But while sentiment and nostalgia might induce a yearning for Akhand Bharat, the cold logic of history suggests that things would have been far worse for us if Partition had not occurred.

Ramachandra Guha’s most recent book is Gandhi Before India. You can follow him on Twitter at @Ram_Guha. The views expressed are personal


Why there's no need to be nostalgic for an undivided India
 
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If in some parallel reality British India remained as one entity then entire subcontinent would have descended into absolute civil war. It would go on for decades and everyone would be living in war torn mud huts like Afghanistan.

Muslims would have most likely won and Hindu population would become a minority.

Because of severe war for sustained period this new entity would be ultra Islamic and merge with Afghanistan through Casus Belli and so on and so forth.

Indians should be breathing a sigh of relief.
 
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Nothing is absolute and final in international politics so I am not an agreement with this completely because there could have been difference scenarios than the one presumed by the author.
 
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Read the comments section in this article. Wow pure hatred from Indians. The people making them don't even look like nutjobs. Normal software engineer types. Terrible racist mindset. I pity them.
 
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An undivided India would have meant a peaceful and prosperous subcontinent.
If there was an undivided India then there would be no kashmir issue, no amassing of weapons by India and Paksitan, lesser terrorism and a more peaceful subcontinent.
Not having such a confederation works largely in India's favour since all the religious zealots moved west to form a separate country in 1947.

magudi said:
Had there been undivided India, the population of muslims would have been closer to 33% , one in three
The author is insecure.
Higher muslim population is not synonymous to instability. Muslim population of the subcontinent is ostensibly more broad minded.
 
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Higher muslim population is not synonymous to instability. Muslim population of the subcontinent is ostensibly more broad minded.
wasn't pre independent muslims of india part of subcontinent? how did broad minded muslim voted for muslim league in excess of 89%.
 
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An undivided India would have meant a peaceful and prosperous subcontinent.
If there was an undivided India then there would be no kashmir issue, no amassing of weapons by India and Paksitan, lesser terrorism and a more peaceful subcontinent.
Not having such a confederation works largely in India's favour since all the religious zealots moved west to form a separate country in 1947.


The author is insecure.
Higher muslim population is not synonymous to instability. Muslim population of the subcontinent is ostensibly more broad minded.
It's more to do with communal harmony, I think. The author suggests that the two sides (Muslims and Hindus) would clash a lot more, if the numbers where a lot closer to each other (1 in 3).

Anyway, while I think that the Brits should have done more to make sure that partition went off relatively smoothly, and not rushed to abandon the region, I don't think anyone can truly deny that idea of partition was the best thing to happen to the region.
 
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If in some parallel reality British India remained as one entity then entire subcontinent would have descended into absolute civil war. It would go on for decades and everyone would be living in war torn mud huts like Afghanistan.

Muslims would have most likely won and Hindu population would become a minority.

Because of severe war for sustained period this new entity would be ultra Islamic and merge with Afghanistan through Casus Belli and so on and so forth.

Indians should be breathing a sigh of relief.
Looking at the kind of terrorist attacks that happen every other day, your economic and political condition, we do breath a sigh of relief.
 
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If in some parallel reality British India remained as one entity then entire subcontinent would have descended into absolute civil war. It would go on for decades and everyone would be living in war torn mud huts like Afghanistan.

Muslims would have most likely won and Hindu population would become a minority.

Because of severe war for sustained period this new entity would be ultra Islamic and merge with Afghanistan through Casus Belli and so on and so forth.

Indians should be breathing a sigh of relief.
Fare enough
 
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Nothing is absolute and final in international politics so I am not an agreement with this completely because there could have been difference scenarios than the one presumed by the author.

I dont think so.We are totally in agreement with the Ramachandra Guha .
Vested interests were always played for their own interest in this subcontinent.
If there was no strong centre we would have been another Afghanistan or Africa.

Partition was so cruel when it comes to Human Rights .But it played a big part in stabilisation of subcontinent.
Earlier gen had some type of colonial baggage.Last one was ManMohan Singh.

Now majority of Indians are born after 1980s . Madamji you should visit Southern India ,its like a boiling pot of diversity ,a new community of northern Indians and NE Indians is forming here and they are mixing with Southern Indians..
This diversification will unite us further and this is happening because of new gen Indians.
An undivided India would have been obstacle to this.
 
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Something to think about :coffee:

Muslim behavior/terrorism correlated with population size

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they willincrease lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%


From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
Correlation does not imply causation. Classic logical fallacy.

Also, very nice ignoring history, and simply connecting unrelated dots.

[Edit ] this is the most misleadingly stupid thing I've ever read (filled with fabrications, and fallacies). Seriously, only complete buffoons, with no critical thinking skills would fall for such foolish ideas.
 
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An undivided India would have meant a peaceful and prosperous subcontinent.
If there was an undivided India then there would be no kashmir issue, no amassing of weapons by India and Paksitan, lesser terrorism and a more peaceful subcontinent.
Not having such a confederation works largely in India's favour since all the religious zealots moved west to form a separate country in 1947.


The author is insecure.
Higher muslim population is not synonymous to instability. Muslim population of the subcontinent is ostensibly more broad minded.


I disagree.
We have already seen that broadmindedness after Yakub's hanging and several other cases.They didnt have any problem to insult the judiciary of this nation.
In our state there is a reason for absence of Muslim League southern parts of Kerala ,cant say that about Malabar area.
 
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You got that wrong. Correlation doe not necessarily imply causation. It only makes them more probably and likely.

"Correlation proves Causation" is the logical fallacy ....... what a shame you could not even get that right. :cheesy:
Don't play semantics with me, we both know just what I said and meant.

Statistics provides basis for Probability and the Numbers do not look good. If one was a betting man, this is something one would not wish for. Its as simple as that.

Now try again with your must touted "critical thinking".
Funny you should say that. All you did was post a bunch of claims, and population numbers, with out posting any real statistical data related to level of violence, and how it trends with population growth, in other words, you entire post is simply smoke and mirrors.

Critical thinking skills are something they teach you in grade school. Apparently, you seem to have skipped those lessons.

@SanjeevaniButi in fact, all you did was copy post this off of google.

Muslim behavior/terrorism correlated with population size - Google Search
 
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Nope, you tried to disregard statistically dependent association and I proved that it cannot be disregarded by claiming a one possible logical fallacy built on an assumption.

Nooooo, I disregarded something that clearly did NOT provide any data at all, and your baseless claims.

I have provided food for though based on available statistics. You are free to dig up more statistics to prove me wrong.

Its a birds eye view of global muslim statistics and its effect on nations. Feel free to use your grade school "critical thinking" to counter it.
Except you didn't provide any statistics, other than Muslim population numbers.

You failed to provide statistics that show...
A) level of violence in each nation
B) background information on said violence
C) how the two trends are related, through a scientific manner
D) the source of these ridiculous claims, which turned out to be fucking google.

You also didn't do this to "provide food for thought". lets be honest here, you did it to show Muslims are bad.

My "grade school critical thinking" is far superior to whatever the hell substituted itself with your brain.

My work is done here, only idiots will buy your comments.

BTW I never claimed I made up this statistics, I was not aware that using google was wrong :cheesy:

It's not wrong to use google, but it is dishonest to not admit it, and then proceed to use a source which you (DID NOT credit and) clearly didn't read through properly.
 
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