Why the FM addressed UN in Urdu !

[TMA]

I know where you are coming from my dear little "school boy" ...because you are applying the "Constantinople" analogy here which is wrong for plenty of reasons. Allama Iqbal was a great philosopher, scholar and a statesman, a dreamer but not a messenger or prophet whose words are divine. Furthermore, you have no idea about the evolution in his thoughts. So it depends when did he wrote it. Also it does not imply he is talking about Urdu..he may very well be referring to Hindi itself and both languages existed in parallel. Mirza Ghalib, Mir Taqi Mir, Momin, all were great Urdu poets.

Please bear in mind that attacking my person does not support your arguments. It only weakens them.

I am not applying any analogy.

I stated that Allama Iqbal called Urdu Hindi and that Pakistanis should not be ashamed of also calling it Hindi. I did not say that referring to the National Language as Urdu be banned. Did I?
Allama Iqbal also referred to Urdu as Urdu as well. It is just two different names for the same language.
All I want is Pakistanis to not be frightened of their Linguistic History even if technically Urdu/Hindi is not a Pakistani language but since we made it a National Language we might as well accept the history of it.

Pakistani should not be afraid to refer to Urdu as Hindi at times. It is those who "nativised" the beautiful Hindi language due to their hatred of Muslim culture, they ought to call their language by a "native" word.
We ought to make clear though by Hindi we mean the original Hindi written in the Person-Arabic script with the plethora of Person-Arabic idiom and vocabulary.

I mean can you imagine de Normanizing/delatinising English and re-germanifying it to make it "native"?

It is highly unlikely that he was referring to the re sankritized Devangari Hindi but if that is what you think then fine.

 

[El Sidd]

Please bear in mind that attacking my person does not support your arguments. It only weakens them.

I am not applying any analogy.

I stated that Allama Iqbal called Urdu Hindi and that Pakistanis should not be ashamed of also calling it Hindi. I did not say that referring to the National Language as Urdu be banned. Did I?
Allama Iqbal also referred to Urdu as Urdu as well. It is just two different names for the same language.
All I want is Pakistanis to not be frightened of their Linguistic History even if technically Urdu/Hindi is not a Pakistani language but since we made it a National Language we might as well accept the history of it.

Pakistani should not be afraid to refer to Urdu as Hindi at times. It is those who "nativised" the beautiful Hindi language due to their hatred of Muslim culture, they ought to call their language by a "native" word.
We ought to make clear though by Hindi we mean the original Hindi written in the Person-Arabic script with the plethora of Person-Arabic idiom and vocabulary.

I mean can you imagine de Normanizing/delatinising English and re-germanifying it to make it "native"?

It is highly unlikely that he was referring to the re sankritized Devangari Hindi but if that is what you think then fine.

I am sorry but this is highly disrespectful. Hindi and Urdu are two different languages who evolved side by side epitomizing the TNT.

 

[Laozi]

No Pakistan has done its part now its your part but you won't do it because Sikhs are not equal citizen in the caste-ridden hindutva state

LOL

Sikhs are not equal but they are the crown of Hindus. Sikhism is better that Hinduism in many respect. As far as respect and equality is concerned then count the number of Sikh Officers in Indian Defence Forces.

Btw Had any Ahmediya ever become your COAS in your NOT so caste-ridden islamic state.

 

[war&peace]

Please bear in mind that attacking my person does not support your arguments. It only weakens them.

I am not applying any analogy.

I stated that Allama Iqbal called Urdu Hindi and that Pakistanis should not be ashamed of also calling it Hindi. I did not say that referring to the National Language as Urdu be banned. Did I?
Allama Iqbal also referred to Urdu as Urdu as well. It is just two different names for the same language.
All I want is Pakistanis to not be frightened of their Linguistic History even if technically Urdu/Hindi is not a Pakistani language but since we made it a National Language we might as well accept the history of it.

Pakistani should not be afraid to refer to Urdu as Hindi at times. It is those who "nativised" the beautiful Hindi language due to their hatred of Muslim culture, they ought to call their language by a "native" word.
We ought to make clear though by Hindi we mean the original Hindi written in the Person-Arabic script with the plethora of Person-Arabic idiom and vocabulary.

I mean can you imagine de Normanizing/delatinising English and re-germanifying it to make it "native"?

It is highly unlikely that he was referring to the re sankritized Devangari Hindi but if that is what you think then fine.

Have a nice time.. I have better and more important things to do..no harsh feelings.

 

[Hamza913]

Obviously, why will you mention verbs since it slaps you around and make fun of your stupid theory.

What 'stupid theory'? I have always maintained the position that Urdu is a mix of numerous different languages, which is quite clearly very factual and the vocabulary displays that.

If you want to remain obsessed with verbs, so be it. You're the only stupid one here for ignoring vocabulary which is even more crucial to a language.

Urdu originated just 300-400 years ago, Indian languages are far more older

Not Hindi, that language is a bastardised version of Urdu that uses a completely different script and less Semitic/Iranic/Turkic vocabulary.

 

[Cherokee]

What 'stupid theory'? I have always maintained the position that Urdu is a mix of numerous different languages, which is quite clearly very factual and the vocabulary displays that.

If you want to remain obsessed with verbs, so be it. You're the only stupid one here for ignoring vocabulary which is even more crucial to a language.
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Your mouth is bigger than your brain. Vocabulary is not even half as important to a language as grammar. Vocabulary is ever shifting amalgamating new words and slangs while grammar more or less remains constant.
Read about Hindustani Grammar which both Hindi and Urdu follow before you make more stupid claims.

What was the script of the original Hindi in? As I understand it, during the sinister British Indian rule a group amongst the Sanatum Dharm wanted to re-sanskritize the Hindi language and remove the Perso-Arabic vocabulary. They also wanted to write it in a native script instead of the Perso-Arabic script.

Both written forms were always there .

This page is a good read on topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_language

 

[Hamza913]

Your mouth is bigger than your brain

Someone like you isn't in a position to discuss intelligence, especially when you make up gems like this:

Vocabulary is not even half as important to a language as grammar.

I can cite numerous pieces of evidence to support my claims, meanwhile you've got no legs to stand on. Hindi and Urdu are similar, but not the same.

"We may now define the three main varieties of Hindōstānī as follows:—Hindōstānī is primarily the language of the Upper Gangetic Doab, and is also the lingua franca of India, capable of being written in both Persian and Dēva-nāgarī characters, and without purism, avoiding alike the excessive use of either Persian or Sanskrit words when employed for literature. The name 'Urdū' can then be confined to that special variety of Hindōstānī in which Persian words are of frequent occurrence, and which hence can only be written in the Persian character, and, similarly, 'Hindī' can be confined to the form of Hindōstānī in which Sanskrit words abound, and which hence can only be written in the Dēva-nāgarī character"

Grierson, vol. 9-1, p. 47.

Hindustani Grammar which both Hindi and Urdu follow

Because Hindi is a rip-off of Urdu.