Why Sindhis are genetically no where near Indians(Gujaratis)

[Sindhi(Indus)]

Sir, Posting random images doesn't prove anything

And how can you compare a few thousand Maratha war captives to the millions of indigenous Brahui people of Balochistan, spread from the Bolan Pass to the Arabian sea?. There are 29 Brahui tribes and they owe (a loose) allegiance to the Brahui khan of Kalat.

It's true that the Brahui now culturally and ethnically largely resemble the Balochi people around them, with whom they have mixed with substantially but they still speak a Dravidian language.

And the North/South India divide is primarily linguistic (Indo-European vs Dravidian languages). Studies of the distribution of alleles on the Y chromosome, microsatellite DNA, and mitochondrial DNA in India have already cast overwhelming doubt for a biological Dravidian "race" distinct from non-Dravidians in the Indian subcontinent.

The images prove some points though

Even some of the south indians in his photo looked mixed with some north indian blood. The pure blood south indians have way different facial features than Brahui. Also generally speaking nobody in south asia pure blood anything. Even Kalash have at least 20% ASI in their genes but due to staying within their race for generations. The facial features didn't go away.

Sindhi village people

Tell Tarek Fatah and many other Raw agents to stop spreading misinformation that Sindh was apart of India

South indians;
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Brahui;

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What you see is Hindu Bheels. Who are marwari, Rajhistan, india.


We also have maratha people in Balochistan, who were taken as prisoners/slaves during the battle of Panipat;
(22,000 men & women were taken as slaves after the battle)

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That brahui girl in the bottom left is adorable, she looks like a little desert girl from village sindh. She represents the Sindhi skin tone and mentality. The brown skin for Sindhis is that sandy tone that girl has. We aren't white or Indian looking brown either.

Sindhi skin is made for the desert and the adaptation is a sandy tone. The Kashmiris and many Pashtuns are from mountains so they look the way they do, not to mention they're also outsiders too

Indians generally have different skin texture even if their skin tone is similar

 

[Hamza913]

You have to prove yourself "FAR" from Brahui people as they speak a Dravidian language.

Hogwash, only about 15% of their words are shared with Dravidians. They're pretty much just a sub-group of Balochis.

Its you Hindus that are trying to say that Raja Dhair the brahmin invading tyrant from India was helping Sindhis when in reality he was pealing tongues off of Buddhist Sindhis who went against the guy. There is a reason why Sindhis and Balochis not to mention Jats alsi by majority sided with bin qasim against raja in the past

It boggles my mind that people side with Dahir just because he was native. This Indus-worship is so dumb, especially when the ancestors of Pakistanis literally (as you said) fought alongside the Muslim conquerors and assisted them in their campaigns of expansion.

Muhammad Bin Qasim's army had Gujjars, Balochis and Jats among others. A Sindhi by the name of Mokah Basaya also assisted him in his conquests:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...v=onepage&q=Muhammad Bin Qasim Gurjar&f=false

@M. Sarmad

You claim to be a proud Gujjar/Pakistani, so I'm curious, what do you make of this?

We also have maratha people in Balochistan, who were taken as prisoners/slaves during the battle of Panipat;
(22,000 men & women were taken as slaves after the battle)

Alhamdulillah, it seems like they're all Muslim now.

 

[Sindhi(Indus)]

Yeah well bin qasim didn't hurt the Buddhist

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

You have to prove yourself "FAR" from Brahui people as they speak a Dravidian language.
Do your homework properly first, propaganda baad mein ker laina

Brahui speak a Dravidian language but in almost every genetic test; they're identical to neighboring ethnic groups. Infact, Brahui had higher Indo-European genetic influence in these tests than they did compared to Pashtuns.

Brahui could only have migrated to Balochistan from central India after 1000 CE. The absence of any older Iranian (Avestan) loanwords in Brahui supports this hypothesis. The main Iranian contributor to Brahui vocabulary, Balochi, is a Northwestern Iranian language, and moved to the area from the west only around 1000 CE.[9] One scholar places the migration as late as the 13th or 14th century.[10]

So, anyone who doesn't believe in your stupid propaganda is "Hindu"

The accuracy of such gene stats from real blood tests itself is debatable.

I can give you numerous other genetic projects and reports if this one does not satisfy your narrative.

 

[Sindhi(Indus)]

Genes and languages are not related all the time

Do you honestly think that a Yemeni Arab is genetically related to a Syrian Arab even though they're both Arabs.

 

[Super Falcon]

Bbecause sindhis are rich in history others have copied them

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

The images prove some points though

Even some of the south indians in his photo looked mixed with some north indian blood. The pure blood south indians have way different facial features than Brahui. Also generally speaking nobody in south asia pure blood anything. Even Kalash have at least 20% ASI in their genes but due to staying within their race for generations. The facial features didn't go away.

Sindhi village people

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Tell Tarek Fatah and many other Raw agents to stop spreading misinformation that Sindh was apart of India


That brahui girl in the bottom left is adorable, she looks like a little desert girl from village sindh. She represents the Sindhi skin tone and mentality. The brown skin for Sindhis is that sandy tone that girl has. We aren't white or Indian looking brown either.

Sindhi skin is made for the desert and the adaptation is a sandy tone. The Kashmiris and many Pashtuns are from mountains so they look the way they do, not to mention they're also outsiders too

Indians generally have different skin texture even if their skin tone is similar

We're outsiders? Hahahaha

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

The Kashmiris and many Pashtuns are from mountains so they look the way they do, not to mention they're also outsiders too

Almost all ethnic groups of Pakistan have a similar genetic makeup. Suggesting we diverged quite recently.

 

[Sindhi(Indus)]

We're outsiders? Hahahaha

Aren't Pashtuns migrants from Afghanistan?

I know KPK Pashtuns that are Karlani like Afridis have been at the Kyhber Pass for 3,000 years but Yousefzai and also Durrani are from Afghanistan I've heard.

Many Pashtuns like Khilji have Turkish ancestry

Mind you Ive not read Pashtun history to the fullest extent however they're a lot more diverse than Sindhis because they're more spread out

Many Pashtuns in Kabul virtually look the same as Tajiks too

Where they stand on genetic stats, Im not sure, however Pakistani Pashtuns are near the Afghan Pashtuns near Khandahar from gene test

Pashtuns can vary from Tajik looking and also northern central asian looking to even baloch looking depending on the province they live in

Pashto is Eastern Iranian language

Pashtuns are an Iranic race of people by majority however some are Turks and Indo Aryans too

South Indians are a dravidian race

However brahui are genetically Iranic in genes

 

[Reichsmarschall]

are we witnessing some sort of new Sindhi uprising

 

[Sindhi(Indus)]

Actually Pashtuns are native to Pashtunistan

They use to call themselves as Pactiyans in the past

However due to proximity with Huns, Turks, and Tajiks, the Afghan Pashtuns have mixed heavily with them

I like Pashtuns especially Waziris who are good people

I like that as a whole they don't like to associate with Hindu people

I like their pashtunwali traditions too

I watched son of a lion which is a Pashto movie

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Indus Pakistan

It is for responsible Pakistanis like you to keep these neo-savants off PDF pages.

I'm not propogating nationalism at all

Its your Hindu books that say Persians weren't able to pronounce Sindh when every Persian geographer wrote Sindh without issues and India on their maps

These are the findings of linguists; no Hindu came up with this.
The words 'Sindh', 'Indus', and 'Hindu' were all traced through their mutual relations by linguists. Hindus had nothing to do with it; Hindus don't even call themselves Hindus.

Its you Hindus that say you're the Indus Valley when you're whole mentality and ways are from the ganges river not Indus

@Indus Pakistan

Do you see the damage caused by half-baked theories, where some random member talks about 'mentality' being from the Ganges River, and not the Indus? Even the famous racists of the 19th and 20th centuries would flinch at this nonsense.

Its you Hindus that are trying to say that Raja Dhair the brahmin invading tyrant from India was helping Sindhis when in reality he was pealing tongues off of Buddhist Sindhis who went against the guy. There is a reason why Sindhis and Balochis not to mention Jats alsi by majority sided with bin qasim against raja in the past

Now we get instant invention of history. But it gets better.

Everything I'm posting is gene stats from real blood test

Racist differences proved by blood tests! Irrefutable. There goes the ANI and the ASI; this budding genius has just blown them into little bits.

The brahui dravidians are apart of the Indus valley and Indus people. 98% of Indians are not apart of the Indus valley

Now 'dravidians' (sic) are a race.

On another bulbul melody, 98% Indians are not apart (sic) of the Indus valley. Er, yes, it'd be difficult to fit us all in. That, by itself, geographical dispersion, is not sufficient to distinguish Indians from Indians.

The brahui however have intermixed a lot but they're still more native to sindh than any gangadeshi is now.

That is why genetically Balochis, Sindhis and Brahui are near each other

@Indus Pakistan

I'm in whoops of laughter as I read this.

<straightening myself and looking seriously at my keyboard - a keyboard is no laughing matter>

Prisoner @Indus Pakistan, you are arraigned with serious charges, and the evidence is overwhelming. Co-terminous Pakistan is NOT to be revealed to people with an IQ of less than 50. For those with a middling IQ, between 50 and 75, the idea must be imparted under professional supervision.
Have you anything to say for yourself before sentence is passed?

I'm not Indian

I barely speak urdu well which is the nearest to your languages

I don't watch bollywood movies at all they seem low grade

I don't have Indian friends either and literally do not know any Indians

These gene stats are replicated from ged results and human genome also

Why should Sindhis who literally have no ties with you have anything to do with you

The worst people of south asia are the brahmin jews and their british friends who tried to put somebody from Manipur with their own distinct traditions and ways with somebody from Tamil Nadu.

Hinduism is no different from Talmudism in any way

The word Hindu to me meant that sleazy Jewish merchant bania who is untrustworthy and tries to justify their reign with fake blue arm man stories and then are hypocrites with their rat temples and also deva dasi ways.

A lot of upper caste hindus have their genes from khazaria where israelis are from

The mixing with dravidians made you darker but you're still that hindu jew at the end

The caste system is practiced even in Britain and America. I see you upper caste telling the darker skinned people dalits even in American universities that you're brahmins or banias.

Your Hindu statues have jinns in them that is why they were all drinking milk in 1995 from India to Guyana too

Every place where Hindus are were whether Fiji or Britain had Hindu statues drinking milk at the time and then they all stop too

Hindus and Jews are from hell trying to bring the rest of the people with them

Oh, OK, this is a mental case.

Sorry about the jibes; @Indus Pakistan, I apologise.

 

[Hamza913]

Aren't Pashtuns migrants from Afghanistan?

Some are some aren't.

 

[Sindhi(Indus)]

@Indus Pakistan

It is for responsible Pakistanis like you to keep these neo-savants off PDF pages.



These are the findings of linguists; no Hindu came up with this.
The words 'Sindh', 'Indus', and 'Hindu' were all traced through their mutual relations by linguists. Hindus had nothing to do with it; Hindus don't even call themselves Hindus.



@Indus Pakistan

Do you see the damage caused by half-baked theories, where some random member talks about 'mentality' being from the Ganges River, and not the Indus? Even the famous racists of the 19th and 20th centuries would flinch at this nonsense.



Now we get instant invention of history. But it gets better.



Racist differences proved by blood tests! Irrefutable. There goes the ANI and the ASI; this budding genius has just blown them into little bits.



Now 'dravidians' (sic) are a race.

On another bulbul melody, 98% Indians are not apart (sic) of the Indus valley. Er, yes, it'd be difficult to fit us all in. That, by itself, geographical dispersion, is not sufficient to distinguish Indians from Indians.



@Indus Pakistan

I'm in whoops of laughter as I read this.

<straightening myself and looking seriously at my keyboard - a keyboard is no laughing matter>

Prisoner @Indus Pakistan, you are arraigned with serious charges, and the evidence is overwhelming. Co-terminous Pakistan is NOT to be revealed to people with an IQ of less than 50. For those with a middling IQ, between 50 and 75, the idea must be imparted under professional supervision.
Have you anything to say for yourself before sentence is passed?



Oh, OK, this is a mental case.

Sorry about the jibes; @Indus Pakistan, I apologise.

Which linguist are you talking about? Is there any actual physical account proof that Persians couldn't say S. We need to remember that the only people back then that use to have contact with other people were travellers. Why is Sindhu said properly and also Sindhu listed properly and then right on top of Sindhu on detailed accounts, you have Hindu Kush mountains. Why isn't it named Sindhu Kush mountains? Why don't people call them Indus Kush mountains?

The actual name of the mountain is Hindu Kush mountain. There is no arguments there and Hind was historically after the Indus, there is no mix up on maps there either

Need I remind you that Hindu Kush means Hindu slaughter mountains

@Indus Pakistan

It is for responsible Pakistanis like you to keep these neo-savants off PDF pages.



These are the findings of linguists; no Hindu came up with this.
The words 'Sindh', 'Indus', and 'Hindu' were all traced through their mutual relations by linguists. Hindus had nothing to do with it; Hindus don't even call themselves Hindus.



@Indus Pakistan

Do you see the damage caused by half-baked theories, where some random member talks about 'mentality' being from the Ganges River, and not the Indus? Even the famous racists of the 19th and 20th centuries would flinch at this nonsense.



Now we get instant invention of history. But it gets better.



Racist differences proved by blood tests! Irrefutable. There goes the ANI and the ASI; this budding genius has just blown them into little bits.



Now 'dravidians' (sic) are a race.

On another bulbul melody, 98% Indians are not apart (sic) of the Indus valley. Er, yes, it'd be difficult to fit us all in. That, by itself, geographical dispersion, is not sufficient to distinguish Indians from Indians.



@Indus Pakistan

I'm in whoops of laughter as I read this.

<straightening myself and looking seriously at my keyboard - a keyboard is no laughing matter>

Prisoner @Indus Pakistan, you are arraigned with serious charges, and the evidence is overwhelming. Co-terminous Pakistan is NOT to be revealed to people with an IQ of less than 50. For those with a middling IQ, between 50 and 75, the idea must be imparted under professional supervision.
Have you anything to say for yourself before sentence is passed?



Oh, OK, this is a mental case.

Sorry about the jibes; @Indus Pakistan, I apologise.

What ANI and ASI?

You see you Hindus are snakes that twist and turn words nothing more

ANI means Ancestral North Indian

ASI means Ancestral South Indian

These are terms that the Moorjani reports use to say,

ANI are not actual genetic people

ASI means the dravidians who have no ties to any body out of the subcontinent of India

The origins of Sindhis and Balochis are not the same but your Moorjani would thrown them into ANI

Also where do Manipuri mongoloid populations fit into that narrative? Are they ANI or ASI? The Sino Tibetan races are not historically linked to any of them but many Bangladeshis show East Asian mixture in their genes but Tamils don't

ANI doesn't explain Sakas, Hunas, Mughals, Uzbeks, even Arabs

How would ANI explain that dawood borhas have Yemeni Arab ancestry?

Just a high resolution analysis would prove the real genetic mixtures of so many races in the region

 

[fitpOsitive]

As most people know that Sindh borders Balochistan and Gujarat with southern parts of Punjab

The genetic distance between a Sindhi and a Gujarati is the most in the whole south asian region

Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns are almost near each other

Iranian and Pakistani Balochis are near each other

However Sindhis are between the Balochis and Pashtuns with the Brahui also being near

The Kashmiri Pandits form the genetic boundary between Pakistanis and the rest of the south asians

The kashmiri pandits are the nearest to south asia

However the beginning of India starts at UP Brahmins

Many Bollywood actors are UP Brahmins such as the bachaan family so they're the upper class of India

Sindhis have nothing to do with any Indian whether upper class or lower

The distance between Pakistanis and Indians is as much as Pakistanis and Uyghers from distance maps

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Sindhis have mostly Arab origin. That's why a Sindhi wife is such a pain