Why pronounce Urdu words wrong on purpose to ape Bollywood accents

[El Sidd]

There isn't any.

Your Problem not mine

 

[Jaanbaz]

I think they evolved under the auspices of the Dehli Sultanate...

Yes essentially Delhi and surrounding areas of Central India as it was the centre of power for Muslim rulers. The early invaders were Persianised Turks, their ruling elite spoke Persian in their courts but their average soldiers still spoke variety of Turkic languages, now you infuse Turkic, Persian, some Arabic loanwords and native Indo-Aryan languages spoken in north Indian subcontinent and you get Khariboli>Hindustani>Urdu>Hindi.

 

[Ocean]

Urdu and Hindi both evolved out of Khariboli from Delhi, Uttar khand and UP, get your heads out of your asses folks. Urdu & Hindi are both technically same language but can be considered different dialects(due to religion/politics).

Just because ur head is permanently stuck up ur shytt filled arse and u have zero clue about evolution and development of these two languages it wont make them one. Even the time periods when these two language were developed varies. They both have their roots in hindustani language but urdu is 800 years old whilst its been around 100 years since hindi was developed.


And ghadday kabhi map utha kay dekhna where uttar kand is located.

 

[Sugarcane]

thats not some logic. Many languages awould be mix and mash , that doesnt even stop them from being a an independent language. And its not that urdu has not evolved on its own with its own vocabulary created over years, surely it has. At this time even english has absorbed many loan words in it..

All of Urdu's vocabulary is directly loaned or derived from other languages - Purification of Urdu will lead to Persian, Khariboli, Sanskrit depending on who is trying to purify it.

Anyways, regardless of how you view it , its about Urdu langauge as how it is read ,written and pronounced. Someone pronouncing phonetics incorrectly doesnt make it correct on the basis that urdu as a language was built from three diff languages.

I can understand the point of pronouncing phonetics wrongly and should be discourage but at same time even so called pure Urdu speakers don't know how to pronounce "ژ" or why we have different letters "ک" and "ق" if you want to have same pronunciation for both.

 

[Ocean]

Yes essentially Delhi and surrounding areas of Central India as it was the centre of power for Muslim rulers. The early invaders were Persianised Turks, their ruling elite spoke Persian in their courts but their average soldiers still spoke variety of Turkic languages, now you infuse Turkic, Persian, some Arabic loanwords and native Indo-Aryan languages spoken in north Indian subcontinent and you get Khariboli>Hindustani>Urdu>Hindi.

So hindustani came out of khariboli? How freaking dumb. Go take some history lessons.

 

[El Sidd]

Hindustani

Konse sobay me ye taleem di ja rahi hai bhai hame bhi batao.

 

[TMA]

Yes essentially Delhi and surrounding areas of Central India as it was the centre of power for Muslim rulers. The early invaders were Persianised Turks, their ruling elite spoke Persian in their courts but their average soldiers still spoke variety of Turkic languages, now you infuse Turkic, Persian, some Arabic loanwords and native Indo-Aryan languages spoken in north Indian subcontinent and you get Khariboli>Hindustani>Urdu>Hindi.

You know I think that what most people speak is actually Hindustani be it in Pakistan or North Bharat. Very few people speak that dialect known as the Language of Urdu... I am trying to read Iqbal's Urdu poetry and man that is quite a bit different to what most Pakistanis would speak day to day...I know the spoken word is very different to the written, but when you compare written English to spoken English the difference is not as much....
It seems that the common man back in Iqbal's day was a bit more attuned to the language even though he was illiterate...

And Iqbal's Dari poetry well that is another language altogether.

 

[Ocean]

Konse sobay me ye taleem di ja rahi hai bhai hame bhi batao.

in mass gatherings of his cult

 

[El Sidd]

in mass gatherings of his cult

Deen i Ilahi ka alloo gosht nahi bikega

 

[Jaanbaz]

Konse sobay me ye taleem di ja rahi hai bhai hame bhi batao.

Pakistan main konsi history parahia jati hay? yehi kay Urdu Islam ki zaban aur Muhammad bin qasim nay Pakistan banaya tha?

So hindustani came out of khariboli? How freaking dumb. Go take some history lessons.

Its the other way around, my bad. Hindustani is the umbrella term, kahriboli is the actual dialect.

PS: Why your raging you plonker? Did I destroy your myth of Urdu and Hindi being different languages?

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan main konsi history parahia jati hay? yehi kay Urdu Islam ki zaban aur Muhammad bin qasim nay Pakistan banaya tha?

Mohammed bin Qasim ne hi Pakistan ki bunyaad rakhi.

Me pakistan ka parha likha ho. Aap mujhe convince krlen.

Baki rahi Urdu ki baat. Uski fikar nahi zabaanen evolve hoti hai. Urdu ki wussat e husn o kamal o hikmat aap nahi samajh sakte

 

[Jaanbaz]

You know I think that what most people speak is actually Hindustani be it in Pakistan or North Bharat. Very few people speak that dialect known as the Language of Urdu... I am trying to read Iqbal's Urdu poetry and man that is quite a bit different to what most Pakistanis would speak day to day...I know the spoken word is very different to the written, but when you compare written English to spoken English the difference is not as much....
It seems that the common man back in Iqbal's day was a bit more attuned to the language even though he was illiterate...

And Iqbal's Dari poetry well that is another language altogether.

That's the case everywhere in the world, written and refined language of elite is always slightly different to how a common man speaks. Its hard to convince Pakistanis though, they have attached Islam with Urdu, the moment you mention Urdu & Hindi are actually separate dialects not languages you get insulted by being called a kafir or Indian agent. Do Pakistanis know that there are millions of native Hindu Urdu Speakers in India too?

 

[El Sidd]

native Hindu Urdu Speakers

See you cant do that.

There is No particular place where you can Limit or award the language.

And lol on your narrow minded Islam and Urdu concept.

Why do you bring my Religion into this if i did Not bring yours?

 

[Jaanbaz]

Mohammed bin Qasim ne hi Pakistan ki bunyaad rakhi.

Me pakistan ka parha likha ho. Aap mujhe convince krlen.

Baki rahi Urdu ki baat. Uski fikar nahi zabaanen evolve hoti hai. Urdu ki wussat e husn o kamal o hikmat aap nahi samajh sakte

Sahi ratta lagaya hay aapnay bhai. kamazkam aapnay ye to mana kay har zaban ''evolve'' hoti hay.

 

[t_for_talli]

You are 1.3 billion. You know that right?

Anyhow coming back to the language.

The Urdu language has nothing to do with enndians. The word Ordo is in itself Turkish in origin. Heck theres a City called ordu in Turkey as well.

Ordo literally means Camp or congregation for military purpose.

The language was primarly used by mughal courts and mughal officials. You have very little say in this apart from poor attempt at Learning the language with poor accents.

It was the colonising language much like the fucking language we are conversing right Now.

Stats tell a different story,
70-80% of total Urdu speakers globally are Indians,
Pakistanis might understand Urdu but there are very few having Urdu as mother tongue,

Again you are totally wrong when you say it has nothing to do with Indians,
Apart from some words/adjectives/vocabs entire sentence structure/ formation, grammar, verbs are taken from Hindi or Prakrit,