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Why people should NOT get married in Pakistan

Totally agreed. This is a Muslim society,this column is based on lies. You will not be successful you secular idiot@SecularNationalist
Congrats you have just found your brother on this forum called @Zarvan
Yes this is a society with a muslim majority which need to be evolved according to norms of 21st century.
And god forbid if you ever used such language in front of me and if i ever get my hands on you.
 
So that also mean our experiences and the generation gaps defines our judgement s. You belong to the old school of thought and hence figure things out your own way.


Forming that ideal state was just possible in then ancient times where tribal cultures do existed.Now in the modern times religion is and should be restricted to ones personal life and hence islam should be evolved with changing times.Now matter how hard you cry the changing time will wipe you out and only you will punish yourself with your constipated beliefs. Not a single islamic country in this world is islamic there are plenty of things which are against islam. Pakistan too is joke in the name of islam.
And yes you spent more time reading religious books,spent more time in your madrassa,even if your pray 5 times a day does that makes you more superior than me? Your so called knowledge is restricted to religion and which itself is edited by the mullahs you spent your life with and hence it,s not islam what you are following it,s a cult.Plenty of your posts on PDF proved that fact you are terrorist sympathizer.What is your worth as a human being?


I think it,s too early too cast your judgement s.There is no 100% proof .I think Mr zardari can afford to buy a condom at least.This whole drama is staged and looks more like a hoax.
I believe the pak army is giving zardari a tough time as few days ago he spoke against them.
How can you post such nonsense. You want a secular society like europeans and americans.
Congrats you have just found your brother on this forum called @Zarvan
Yes this is a society with a muslim majority which need to be evolved according to norms of 21st century.
And god forbid if you ever used such language in front of me and if i ever get my hands on you.
Every Muslim is my brother in any part of the world. you should not take care about it secular idiot

Congrats you have just found your brother on this forum called @Zarvan
Yes this is a society with a muslim majority which need to be evolved according to norms of 21st century.
And god forbid if you ever used such language in front of me and if i ever get my hands on you.
A mind blowing fact about secular-idiots Saf Bandyaan Huo Rahi Hain By Orya Maqbool Jan (Dated: 26 June 2015)
 
Sure i know how your saudi or arab brothers treat you wahhabis. Pakistan needs nationalism and modernity not some stupid and hypocrite people with beards.
Well, I m not a wahabbi as you think. I really like chatting with you. What has modernism given you? You secular idiot.

Sure i know how your saudi or arab brothers treat you wahhabis. Pakistan needs nationalism and modernity not some stupid and hypocrite people with beards.
And dont make judgements. Even the christians of middle east keep beards. you guys love to wear some nonsense.So my dear as you know seculars are idiots, so I ll like to see you a secular base modern idiot.

Sure i know how your saudi or arab brothers treat you wahhabis. Pakistan needs nationalism and modernity not some stupid and hypocrite people with beards.
Even our Prophet (S.A.W) kept beard. (Dont know if you are a muslim) Sorry my dear idiot.
 
So that also mean our experiences and the generation gaps defines our judgement s. You belong to the old school of thought and hence figure things out your own way.


Forming that ideal state was just possible in then ancient times where tribal cultures do existed.Now in the modern times religion is and should be restricted to ones personal life and hence islam should be evolved with changing times.Now matter how hard you cry the changing time will wipe you out and only you will punish yourself with your constipated beliefs. Not a single islamic country in this world is islamic there are plenty of things which are against islam. Pakistan too is joke in the name of islam.
And yes you spent more time reading religious books,spent more time in your madrassa,even if your pray 5 times a day does that makes you more superior than me? Your so called knowledge is restricted to religion and which itself is edited by the mullahs you spent your life with and hence it,s not islam what you are following it,s a cult.Plenty of your posts on PDF proved that fact you are terrorist sympathizer.What is your worth as a human being?


I think it,s too early too cast your judgement s.There is no 100% proof .I think Mr zardari can afford to buy a condom at least.This whole drama is staged and looks more like a hoax.
I believe the pak army is giving zardari a tough time as few days ago he spoke against them.
Islam never was and never will be restricted to personal life. Islam is way more powerful and is entire system which is responsibility of state to enforce and their failure would only give space to groups like ISIS.
 
Well, I m not a wahabbi as you think. I really like chatting with you. What has modernism given you? You secular idiot.


And dont make judgements. Even the christians of middle east keep beards. you guys love to wear some nonsense.So my dear as you know seculars are idiots, so I ll like to see you a secular base modern idiot.


Even our Prophet (S.A.W) kept beard. (Dont know if you are a muslim) Sorry my dear idiot.
You seriously sound like some 14 year old :) Just one little hint:The computer you are typing from is built by secular idiots.What you islamists have contributed in the field of science and technology or improving lives of people?

Islam never was and never will be restricted to personal life. Islam is way more powerful and is entire system which is responsibility of state to enforce and their failure would only give space to groups like ISIS.
So now you are indirectly sympathizing with ISIS @Jungibaaz see and i hope next time you will give at least thrice before giving me infraction.
 
You seriously sound like some 14 year old :) Just one little hint:The computer you are typing from is built by secular idiots.What you islamists have contributed in the field of science and technology or improving lives of people?


So now you are indirectly sympathizing with ISIS @Jungibaaz see and i hope next time you will give at least thrice before giving me infraction.
I am not sympathizing with them, I am saying promotion of kufr and not implemeting Islamic laws creates space for these kind groups.

You seriously sound like some 14 year old :) Just one little hint:The computer you are typing from is built by secular idiots.What you islamists have contributed in the field of science and technology or improving lives of people?


So now you are indirectly sympathizing with ISIS @Jungibaaz see and i hope next time you will give at least thrice before giving me infraction.
I am not sympathizing with them, I am saying promotion of kufr and not implemeting Islamic laws creates space for these kind groups.
 
You seriously sound like some 14 year old :) Just one little hint:The computer you are typing from is built by secular idiots.What you islamists have contributed in the field of science and technology or improving lives of people?.
You said Islamists, well the laws followed by great britain is the laws of Hazrat Omar (R.A) the Great.I think you sound like a 10 year old guy.Dear child you do not know about Islam, I think you have not read history, Ibn sina, jabir bin hayan, and many more like were the fathers of modern chemistry, astrology,instruments of optics were built by them, they had a vast field in the subjects of Physics, Chemistry,Biology,Mathematics etc. It were the later Muslim kings who were ayash, again I have not said Islam. Do you not know about Sultan Fateh`s war strategies. I think you should daily go to school, ask yor teacher about Islam`s History not Muslim`s history then come here and take part in discussions. understand. As you are a child, so , I should not call you idiot. I should call you "baywaqoof"
 
When it comes to husband and wife, there is no old or new school.

Today and husband and wife will mate the same way as Hazrat Adam and Amma Hawwah.
Nothing has changed the way babies are made and raised.

2015 babies are made the same way 100000s of years ago
2015 babies are breast fed with milk the same way
2015 babies are delivered from a birth canal pretty much the same way (only the type of room and bed have changed)


So my dear,

2015 may allow you to do it in space in zero gravity
but it remains the same thing.

Highly frustrated single girl or boy in 2015 have no new method of making babies and raising them.

Trust me

you will learn one day.

or who knows you may figure out a new way with your new thinking or OP girl may tell us that she can marry another woman and still have babies in a NEW WAY. Or some guy will post that he got married to another guy and thus will make babies in a NEW WAY.

Who knows. Times a changin'
I agree with you, there are some people who in the name of Islam, totally work against the principles of Islam. Like Taliban Pakistan, Lal masjid wala molana, but that doesn t make Islam guilty due to it. Islam has never taught such baseless. but my bro not Islam is guilty of it. There was Bin Qasim attacking sindh and people were mch impressed by his ikhlaq. Yes, due to present day problems they(TTP,ISIS,Bokoharam) should be declared terrorists and their backing should be exposed (which now is by G.Raheel and rizwan). If I say they are backed by Raw/CIA/mossad you will call me a mullah and my above statement a mullogy. For example a tree prepares itsfood with the help of light, water and carbon dioxide. These things are never changed, have you ever heard a tree which prepares its food with the help of d,silver etc.,or its leaves are evolved into new gen. leaves. So as Islam`s relationship with a Muslim these things never need to be changing. maybe you wake up and stop dreaming of giving birth to babies in a new way and wake up. Do you not see what India is doing in Kashmir and israel in Palastine and you act like the defence of India

Sure i know how your saudi or arab brothers treat you wahhabis. Pakistan needs nationalism and modernity not some stupid and hypocrite people with beards.
your picture defines you, it seems you are also keeping little beard.
 
Haven't read such a badly argued case in a while...

Here in US, we'll throw this piece of garbage for its low quality.

Horrendous! In Pakistan, you get published for writing such crap?

wow!!
True it was so poorly argued and what was more laughable was ppl vociferously arguing over it stretching thread over to 19 pages whilst the blog hardly deserved any serious responses. The writer herself was so confused and shuttling between different notions.
 
True it was so poorly argued and what was more laughable was ppl vociferously arguing over it stretching thread over to 19 pages whilst the blog hardly deserved any serious responses. The writer herself was so confused and shuttling between different notions.
Yeah you are right.
 
Well, I m not a wahabbi as you think. I really like chatting with you. What has modernism given you? You secular idiot.


And dont make judgements. Even the christians of middle east keep beards. you guys love to wear some nonsense.So my dear as you know seculars are idiots, so I ll like to see you a secular base modern idiot.


Even our Prophet (S.A.W) kept beard. (Dont know if you are a muslim) Sorry my dear idiot.
Beards???? Ppl dont know that jews keep beards
 
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Before you wrinkle your eyebrows in a ‘holier-than-thou’ frown and judge my very existence, let me assure you that this blog is not a preaching of what you should or should not do. This blog is based on mere observations of human relationships and a concept that defines our lives in so many ways – shaadi (marriage).

I was familiar with this word at a very young age. But it was at the age of six when my brother (eight-years-old then) told me something that freaked me out. In sheer exasperation, that only an older brother can have, he said,

“I can’t wait till we marry you off so that you’re not around to annoy us anymore.”

“I’ll still be here,” I said.

“No, you’ll be living at your husband’s house. You won’t live with us forever.”

I don’t think it would be an exaggeration to say that the ground beneath my little feet shook as I came to realise he was serious. I did what any six-year-old would do, I burst into tears.

“What? No. How is that possible? Husband? I can’t leave my house, this is where I live. Why would you say that? Ama Baba will never let me leave! They won’t let me go, I’m their daughter. Will you leave too when you get married?”

These were the questions I somehow managed to word out.

With regret on his face, my brother apologised and calmed me down. He explained that every girl has to leave her parents’ house after marriage. He explained how our mom lives with us and our dad and not with Nana Nani (maternal grandparents). He said just like she left her house to live with her husband, I will have to as well.

That was my first reality check.

Marriage isn’t all fun and games; it is something that takes you away from all the things you love. It’s better for boys; their lives pretty much stay the same. But for girls, your entire life will change. Since then I began to observe our society. I observed married people and their actions. As a student of psychology, I analysed their verbal and non-verbal cues, signs of distress, facial expressions and body language.

While people my age ventured into relationships and ‘dating’, I became that one friend who gave the best relationship advice and who knew what to do despite never being in a long-term relationship.

Years later, today, I have developed an aversion to the concept of shaadi. People shouldn’t get married and here are my reasons. Once again, these reasons are based solely on observations.

The institution

No, I don’t believe the institution of marriage is flawed. Since the beginning of time, through religion, culture and society, people were to find a partner to spend their lives with, in holy matrimony. Marriage was a sacred bond; legends and epic tales are proof of the sacredness of this union.

Today in our times, however, this institution has lost its sacredness because people stopped respecting the bond itself. It became a ritual performed because ‘we have to’. Parents took it upon themselves to get their children married to the most suitable partners. Consumerism increased the need of more rituals, a need to display the union to the world along with a desire to compete, boast and beat others at it. Shaadi no longer means marriage, it means wedding.

Our generation

The generations before ours (our parents, grandparents, etc) had a different meaning of relationships than we do. For them, it was all about compromise and fixing things. They are the kind of couples who go through hell and still stick together. I’m sorry but I don’t think our generation has what it takes to tolerate and be with each other through thick and thin. Therising divorce rates back up this argument.

We, the youth, are conditioned to be independent and free thinkers. What we read, learn and watch (through the media) has evolved us into accepting individualism. We rebel against the system, question norms and think out of the box – that is what our generation is. There is nothing wrong with these qualities but perhaps it is these qualities that cause problems in relationships.

When both the partners are so opinionated and do not have the ability to compromise or sacrifice their own needs and wants for the other, then how is a relationship supposed to work?

They call us the resilient generation, well resilience also counts for our ability to move on and bounce back when a relationship ends, so perhaps that’s why we don’t try to fix relationships and work on them the way our parent or grandparents did.

Divorce is no longer taboo; if we can’t stand someone anymore, we leave or think of leaving.

Sexist time bomb

Our society is extremely sexist to BOTH the genders, especially when it comes to marriage. Not only does a girl have to leave her home, her room, her parents and her freedom to move in with her husband, she also has a constant psychological ‘tick-tock’ on her head since the day she turns 20.

Trust me, this tick-tock is a constant nuisance hanging over heads. There is so much that I want to do with my life. I want to study, work, build a career, travel the world, and write a book! To this argument, I am told by everyone,

“So, no one is stopping you. You can do all of this after your shaadi.”

Agreed that you can study after marriage and work post-shaadi but what about the other things?

Will my husband have the patience to let me be locked in my room writing for most of the day? Will he be fine if I want to focus on my career for five years and not have children?

And boys don’t have it too easy either.

While a boy gets to live in his own home with his parents after shaadi (lucky son of a gun), he also faces the constant tick-tock. He is told he has to complete his entire education, build his career and get settled at least by mid or late 20s so that he can ‘afford’ to have a wife and family. I really don’t think that’s fair. The pressure of getting the best job and high-figure salary can be really stressful.

What if he wants to become an artist or travel, things that won’t get him the money he needs. What about his dreams?

Marriage is a full-stop to our dreams. They say we can pursue them after shaadi but who are we kidding?

Shaadi changes people

During the pre-nuptial period, everyone is on their best behaviour. Not just the couple but the families of both treat each other like royals. It is all about gifts, wedding preparations and impressing each other.

It is only after the shaadi that everyone becomes comfortable with each other and reveals their true selves. Mother-in-laws, who before the wedding sang praises of how perfect their bahus(daughter-in-laws) are, begin to mentally make a list of all the things their bahu does wrong and how awful she is. The bahu suddenly sits, walks, cooks and breathes in the wrong way.

For the bahu, she begins to see her mother-in-law as nothing less than Cruella De Vil.

Every single person in both families feels responsible and overly concerned about the couple and their relationship. They become mediators and judges even though no one asks them too.

The boy and girl gradually begin to change into constantly irritable, annoyed and bezaar (fed up) human beings. Stress levels increase, tempers boil and each day, the ability to tolerate each other reduces.

These are some of my reasons (I have many more) of why people shouldn’t get married and why I won’t (till my parents have had enough of my excuses). I have seen and heard of so many couples getting divorced (many who were deeply in love with each other), people cheating, families turning against each other, children fighting with parents, people ending relationships in a blink of an eye. I have heard of khalas (maternal aunts) turned mother-in-laws, physically abusing the bahu. I have heard of a man throwing his wife out on the street a week after their love marriage. I have heard of in-laws kicking the girl out because she couldn’t produce a son.

I have heard of enough shaadi horror stories to loathe the entire concept.

If this is what holy matrimony and relationships come to then thank you very much, but I’m better off.
Why people should NOT get married in Pakistan – The Express Tribune Blog
this is why i hate pakistani city dwellers.... they come up with the stupidest shit ever....

You do know that westerners are warming up to arranged marriages again.
its crazy how people in the west are trying to bring back old school stuff while these guys want the stuff lot of people are starting to abandon in the west lol.
 
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