Why Pakistan needs an Aircraft Carrier and long Range bombers

[TsAr]

long range Bombers YES, aircraft carrier NO....

 

[maverick1977]

How do you protect a carrier or long-ranged bomber? Pakistan can't call upon the various bases the US or UK can, even China struggles to project power and it has long-range escorts and replenishment capabilities. Ignore for a second the US who are in a league of there own and look at Russia, China or India and what they sail with when they put their capital ships to sea.

Kilo, Udaloy, Slava, Admiral Gorshkov, replenishment vessels...

...all to protect one Kirov class, Petr Vilikiy, the flagship of the Russian Northern Fleet as it sails near the Norwegian coast, under constant Norwegian eyes.

Pakistan's Navy is wholly inadequate to provide long-range protection for capital naval assets. You can dream of carriers, but there is a lot more to power projection then one ship and some aircraft. They require their own support team or auxiliary ships and defenders and that's expensive and resource intensive.

Pakistan will get more favorable basis if combined with China and Pakistan flotillas at ports in Malaysia and Indonesia, whereas china can get them from Thialand... I think its going to be a win win situation.

 

[JamD]

No.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Simply put a full fledged Aircraft carrier is not a requirement nor can our economic condition allow us these luxuries. Maybe in the future we can get heli-carriers.

However what Pakistan really needs, is a complete overhaul of the systems which has utterly failed to provide guidance and justice to the people. Everything from the political, bureaucratic, judicial, educational systems and others need to be booted out and replaced with systems that are able to promote harmony, meritocracy and justice for all.

Once we achieve that then we can think about getting the big toys.

 

[maverick1977]

a country which has spent more than 10B dollars on nuclear weapons and his folks have a defeated attitude, an attitude of a defeatist mind set, will never be able to shoot for a star .. sorry to hear so many who can look at the long term goal of a atrong nation

 

[S.U.R.B.]

The first and the foremost step is to set up a goal, then establish and focus on the priorities.
Generate revenues , create collaboration and cooperate with the nations that follow the similar goals.

One thing that our decision makers mostly ignore is the quality and both quantity of man power they can get to achieve their goals.
Ambitious projects like the ones you have mentioned can not become a reality unless there is a desire to excel.
28th May is an example.A journey of decades.A story of setting a path and following it till the end.
Taking the people into confidence to achieve something for this country.More than that believing upon them.

Incentivize it.

If a section of employees/professionals doing their 9-5 desk job and earning salaries can not do it for you.Then perhaps its a better time to gather relevant people and give them a task that they desire to achieve for their country by any means available.That are not bounded by work hours.

People like you maybe who have a burning desire.

Out of the box.But yes, when you are Pakistan ,out of the box is a norm.

 

[Affanakad0t.]

You will pay it?

We need raw material making industries, Universites,for R&D SO we can make these on our own.

 

[maverick1977]

The first and the foremost step is to set up a goal, then establish and focus on the priorities.
Generate revenues , create collaboration and cooperate with the nations that follow the similar goals.

One thing that our decision makers mostly ignore is the quality and both quantity of man power they can get to achieve their goals.
Ambitious projects like the ones you have mentioned can become a reality unless there is a desire to excel.
28th May is an example.A journey of decades.A story of setting a path and following it till the end.
Taking the people into confidence to achieve something for this country.More than that believing upon them.

Incentivize it.

If a section of employees/professionals doing their 9-5 desk job and earning salaries can not do it for you.Then perhaps its a better time to gather relevant people and give them a task that they desire to achieve for their country by any means available.That are not bounded by work hours.

People like you maybe who have a burning desire.

Out of the box.But yes, when you are Pakistan ,out of the box is a norm.

this can happen simultaneously, lay down the long term strategic goal of projecting naval power, start laying the growing work for it .. Pakistans exports are 24B (revenue) where our GDP is 245B.. exports need to ramp up.. software, semi conductors, should become high tech supplier ..start working on industry on scale .. transfter some commercial ship manufacturing from china.. and earn and build weapons..

You will pay it?

We need raw material making industries, Universites,for R&D SO we can make these on our own.

steel mill can be utilized, iron ore can be imported.. technical know how is acailable with allies.. massive ship turbine tech is needed with chinese experience of building their aircraft carriers

 

[Pandora]

Pakistan has no need for an aircraft carrier. Our geographic location at the mouth of straits provides us with strategic location ideal for defense offense roles. India on the other hand having a massive coast line needs such an asset to protect its shores. Indian aircraft carriers will be slaughtered if the ever try to approach Pakistani shores. Pakistan already made a great investment in Harba missiles 450km to keep indian aircraft carriers away from our shores.

 

[Trango Towers]

To most of you this might come as a surprise that Pakistan policy for upholding justice as envisioned in constitution to help the oppressed anywhere in the world, requires not only diplomatic push to champion for the oppressed but also to use force projection to subjugate that change. The global powers have failed to protect many persecuted minorities and nations, a new order is needed

in order to push this global agenda to help the persecuted, Pakistan need planes like 4 to 5 sq of H6, 2 aircraft fleet along with 5 Type 75 for 1 to 2 brigade size deployment.

Can this new global alliance include Pakistan and new nations like china? What do you folks thiink?

will you write the cheque or shall I?

 

[Armchair]

Interesting thread. Here are my thoughts:

1. It is natural that as Pakistan's population reaches towards 300 million and its economy begins to strengthen, she will aspire to be a major power with global reach, at least to the extent of France.

2. Now that the UN is a defunct organization, a new alternative is needed. A new UN could be started with Brazil, Turkey, China, Pakistan, Russia as major players, and other nations could join it.

3. On the part of Pakistan, a force projection capability could be created. @RJV has a wonderful idea about a delta wing with two AL-31 class engines that would be able to strike at range and act in a number of interesting ways. Then there is, as you pointed out, the idea of an aircraft carrier. Perhaps Pakistan could start small with A mini aircraft carrier. Not a proper one, a 5000-10000 ton UAV, helicopter and prop plane carrier.

4. A closer military alliance could be built with Turkey and Malaysia. This can be started with a simple exchanging of a brigade. So, a Pak brigade would be in Turkey and a Turkish brigade in Pakistan. Similarly with Malaysia. Anyone else who wants to join will require the approval of these three main players.

5. Pakistan as a new East India Company. Great powers are built by economic strength. Pakistan can start on this journey by building "Pak Malls" veritable East India Company trading posts. Basically shops in the lower levels run by Pakistanis and the upper level will be homes. Such "Pak Malls" need to be developed as far and wide as possible to every mid sized to large city in the world.

Pakistanis would be able to buy shops and do their business abroad and over time gain a footing in that city.

 

[Amaa'n]

Someone Please make a case & report the thread so I can close this pointless discussion thread....
everyday someone gets a wet dreams & start a thread with wishlist

 

[BAGAR_BILLA]

Even Russian do not have,
According to them it can be easily sink

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Rather then Aircraft carrier Pakistan Navy need to procure more Corvettes Frigates and Destroyers in Future and Flankers from China which can be stationed at Karachi Gwadar and other coastal airbases

Also Navy need more Maritime Surveillance Aircrafts like Saab Swordfish in the inventory and hypersonic cruise missiles and Agusta Aw 101 Helicopter for anti submarine warfare when Navy will have all these stuff in the inventory we will talk about aircraft Carriers

Before that its a waste of time and Navy needs a fleet to protect the aircraft carrier which we lack currently

 

[maverick1977]

Interesting thread. Here are my thoughts:

1. It is natural that as Pakistan's population reaches towards 300 million and its economy begins to strengthen, she will aspire to be a major power with global reach, at least to the extent of France.

2. Now that the UN is a defunct organization, a new alternative is needed. A new UN could be started with Brazil, Turkey, China, Pakistan, Russia as major players, and other nations could join it.

3. On the part of Pakistan, a force projection capability could be created. @RJV has a wonderful idea about a delta wing with two AL-31 class engines that would be able to strike at range and act in a number of interesting ways. Then there is, as you pointed out, the idea of an aircraft carrier. Perhaps Pakistan could start small with A mini aircraft carrier. Not a proper one, a 5000-10000 ton UAV, helicopter and prop plane carrier.

4. A closer military alliance could be built with Turkey and Malaysia. This can be started with a simple exchanging of a brigade. So, a Pak brigade would be in Turkey and a Turkish brigade in Pakistan. Similarly with Malaysia. Anyone else who wants to join will require the approval of these three main players.

5. Pakistan as a new East India Company. Great powers are built by economic strength. Pakistan can start on this journey by building "Pak Malls" veritable East India Company trading posts. Basically shops in the lower levels run by Pakistanis and the upper level will be homes. Such "Pak Malls" need to be developed as far and wide as possible to every mid sized to large city in the world.

Pakistanis would be able to buy shops and do their business abroad and over time gain a footing in that city.

Very interesting points raised. building on your points and comments.

1. Force multiplier with a cold war partner like china with global naval bases will change the things.
2.China Russia, Pakistan, other possibility of Central Asian States. Iran, Thialand, Malaysia and Indonesia is possible.
3. Heli carriers with VTOL aircraft and UAVs. most likely WASP class carriers..
4. your last point is very important, thats who the countries progress... trade is the way to increase prestige and become a top country in the world.