Why Pakistan does not recognize to Israel ?

[Hussain Farooqui]

What would Pakistan possibly gain be going to war with Israel? This war will never happen.

Really, we have no reason to be so hostile to Israel. We can influence upon the Israelis for not committing excesses on the Palestinians after establishing diplomatic relationships. We shall be in a position to deal with the Israelis bilaterally. In this bilateral relationship, we may then be able to persuade the Israelis to gain something from us in return of soft behavior with the Palestinians.

 

[Dubious]

Really, we have no reason to be so hostile to Israel. We can influence upon the Israelis for not committing excesses on the Palestinians after establishing diplomatic relationships. We shall be in a position to deal with the Israelis bilaterally. In this bilateral relationship, we may then be able to persuade the Israelis to gain something from us in return of soft behavior with the Palestinians.

Question now is ....What is it that we have that the israeli's will listen? They dont even listen to UN...so will they agree to our terms and persuasion?

 

[Hussain Farooqui]

Covert engagement, may be, but open war? Nothing to be gained by it.

Yes, our hostility against Israel will gain us nothing. The UAE govt. arrested all those Pakistanis and then deported them who protested against the demolition of Babri Masjid. The Arabs do what really suits to their interests. They don't float on emotions.

 

[Baby-5]

Truth doesnt involve half cut verses, or half told stories

Truth is truth and is compete in itself. while quoting Quran, when did I said that it is the complete verse?

British does tell the truth of terrorists of British Raj which india claims to be freedom fighters...

Please sir, before partition India Pak were one. freedom fighters also hailed from present day Pakistan who faught against British Raj. At least spare them.

 

[Azadkashmir]

i disagree look USA offered the Jews privileges even above whites and look what they did to USA decadence, bankruptcy, usury, take over of USA made industries and transfer to china , pushing for war, they turn the American dream into nightmare. They killed important leaders including Muslims, i am talking about the best brains and honest leaders.

make your decision based on history. look what they did to Russians under the Bolsheviks, then they transferred all USA technology yes including full blueprints and plants over to build up soviet power.

The ottomans paid a price for trusting of them.

Now they working on china. Robert Lawrence Kuhn type it in google. sidney shapiro, isreal epstein.

Israel cant be trusted.oh by the way david Sassoon made millions in India selling opium and is married to Rothschild. Tipu sultan fought against British Rothschild empire.

 

[Dubious]

Truth is truth

yes truth is truth not some half fetched lie ...that is infact a lie

when did I said that it is the complete verse?

Question is why did you quote half a verse?

O Arjuna fight your cousin! - Should we stop here and say Hinduism says kill your cousins? After all it is the truth, as per your logic of course! - This is an example (apparently indians only understand when they are used as examples) dont quote me with your lies!!

Please sir, before partition India Pak were one. freedom fighters also hailed from present day Pakistan who faught against British Raj. At least spare them.

Truth is truth when did I say it was full truth?

 

[Baby-5]

O Arjuna fight your cousin! - Should we stop here and say Hinduism says kill your cousins? After all it is the truth, as per your logic of course! - This is an example (apparently indians only understand when they are used as examples) dont quote me with your lies!![/QUOTE]
There is a difference between quoting half verse and quoting half sentence. Further as I am no Quran expert I was here with my doubt as you can see from my previous comment I asked question.

 

[Dubious]

verse

I think you dont know the meaning of a verse....

Further as I am no Quran expert I was here with my doubt as you can see from my previous comment I asked question.

Asking questions is fine but picking out half a verse or even out of context...coz a verse is smaller than a sentence...it can be as small as 1- 2 letters....so half of that is literally misquoting/ lying!

 

[Baby-5]

I think you dont know the meaning of a verse....

ummmm. yes I do. And nope, verse can't be compared with sentence as verse is complete in itself, a single metrical line composition.

Asking questions is fine but picking out half a verse or even out of context...coz a verse is smaller than a sentence...it can be as small as 1- 2 letters....so half of that is literally misquoting/ lying!

I quoted it because I read it somewhere before.

 

[Dubious]

ummmm. yes I do. And nope, verse can't be compared with sentence as verse is complete in itself, a single metrical line composition.

That is why we prefer calling it Ayat which means sentence....And no ...MOST verses in RELIGIOUS scripture carry the story to the next verse....or sometimes to a whole chapter...Your ignorance is remarkable...Try reading some books, might help enlighten you!

I quoted it because I read it somewhere before.

What stopped you from reading more? If I read something like that...I would be curious to read more or at least in context...Maybe that separates me from liars

 

[Hussain Farooqui]

Question now is ....What is it that we have that the israeli's will listen? They dont even listen to UN...so will they agree to our terms and persuasion?

It will not be an expectation from Israel to listen to us but we may be in a position to deal with Israel bilaterally.

 

[VCheng]

Really, we have no reason to be so hostile to Israel. We can influence upon the Israelis for not committing excesses on the Palestinians after establishing diplomatic relationships. We shall be in a position to deal with the Israelis bilaterally. In this bilateral relationship, we may then be able to persuade the Israelis to gain something from us in return of soft behavior with the Palestinians.

And just what can Pakistan offer to Israel that they would wish to gain? Not much, realistically speaking.

Yes, our hostility against Israel will gain us nothing. The UAE govt. arrested all those Pakistanis and then deported them who protested against the demolition of Babri Masjid. The Arabs do what really suits to their interests. They don't float on emotions.

Every sovereign nation follows its national interests without emotions.

 

[Dubious]

bilaterally

Bilaterally means an agreement from both sides...so how can that happen when you say this:

not be an expectation from Israel to listen to us

 

[MadDog]

This is a common mis-perception about Israel. Allow me to correct it:

1) Jews are a people.
2) Judaism is the Jews' religion.
3) Under Israel's Law of Return you are a Jew if your mother was Jewish, or if you've abandoned any other religion and joined the Jewish people through supervised religious conversion.

So you can even be a Muslim or Christian and immigrate to Israel, provided your mother was Jewish. You can be a Jewish Israeli and convert to Islam or Christianity. And you're not a "bad Israeli" simply because you choose to eat pork on Yom Kippur, or are Ahmedi, or break your egg on the small end instead of the big one.

It's the peoplehood that matters to be an Israeli, not the religious observance. Thus today's Israelis experience only low levels of intra-religious conflict and are spared from the sort of upward spiral of religious- and power-seeking militancy that has plagued Pakistan.

Well Pakistanis are 200 million people, thats a huge number of people compared to israel, you're comparing apples with oranges, Agreed there is misconception, one can be an athiest and a jew at the same time bcuz of mother being jewish, however the militancy was deliberately induced by uncle sam buttressed by our intel agencies to counter soviets...militancy which we have crushed significantly, Pak was secular to before 1970's, its the regional geopolitical events which created these problems , today we stand as only country in the region which has rollbacked a full fledge insurgency, and is rapidly improving economically and militarily !!!

 

[Solomon2]

Yes Pakistani Imams lie about Islam for worldly desires etc. But the Quran does not lie.

We discussed earlier about Arabic being a high-context culture, making interpretation of the Quran tricky.

It is from the Quran we find that the Rabbis of old changed the Word of the Lord God and did wickedness and the Lord God punished them. An Imam does not need to distort this. This is plain and clear.

There have been and are now all sorts of sects and divisions in Judaism. Did the Quran mean to condemn one, some, or all? That's the importance of context, which can only be discovered by studying events.

And he had made the Holy Land illegal to the Children of Israel!

Obviously this is an innovation, since Muslim rulers accepted Jews in the Holy Land as legitimate residents for over ten centuries!

...militancy which we have crushed significantly, Pak was secular to before 1970's, its the regional geopolitical events which created these problems -

Pakistan's leaders never trusted their own people to vote on their idea of Pakistan itself until 1970 - and then the majority voted "no". The two-nation theory having failed and Z.A.B.'s socialism proving insufficient to justify the remaining national identity, Pakistan's leaders were seduced into latching upon militant religion instead of accountable and responsible democracy - the course set when the Ahmadis were disowned.

i disagree look USA offered the Jews privileges even above whites -

You know these unsupportable and hypocritical statements are pure antisemitism, right?