why not Come under US-Nuclear Umbrella ?

[qamar1990]

@rockstar08

Your idea is a good one from a Financial point of view

US will be ready to give Pakistan at least a 100 billion dollars if you sign the NPT

In 1998 itself Pakistan was offered a huge package including F 16 for NOT going nuclear

You could have accepted it then ; and INDIA would have been in trouble

Today The US will decline this request unless you sign the NPT
and Pak Army will never become subservient to USA

However this idea should be tested with the Chinese

Will the people and politicians of Pakistan accept this proposal

nope never... any pakistani leader that does will not have a good ending even if its the army chief.

 

[MastanKhan]

Oscar dont you think that Pakistan is strategically very important to US , like Japan and Germans are enjoying US friendship we can do same ??
imagine their Missiles stationed in Pak , will give a wet nightmare to Russians ...

Germany is a Christian nation---japan was supposed to become wholly Christian in due time----same for south korea----that is why you see north korea not being taken on---supposedly a future Christian nation---.

Ukraine has been conventionally a part of Russia since 850 AD I believe----.

Rockstar---you know where to find the best help and friendship----it is the hand at the end of your arm----. You can jack off---you can scratch your itch---you can wipe your arse---you can eat with it---pull the trigger---push the button---do whatsoever a hand can do and it would be there when you need it.

Why would be so stupid to park Russian missiles in our backyards ----what has Russia done to us. Rusia threatened to nuc us one time----it was about Gary Powers---his U2 flew from Peshawar-----the Russian threatened to nuc the base it operated out of.

You know what---the American history books in the college never mentioned Pakistan---they mentioned turkey and not a wrd about pak----even though we could have been nuc'd by Russia.

The thing with the u s is that it cannot be trusted with an alliance----and both the sides are at fault----Pakistani citizenery is stupid---and will stay as such----they have no clue when to stand up for Pakistan and when to move away from the terrorist muslim brothers who cannot live in their countries---an identity crisis.

The Pakistanis also don't know how to force a deal upon the u s---even though they had the u s by the ballz---.

 

[Thorough Pro]

There is no honour in slavery!

Ok guys , i was wondering that , our Nuclear program is India specific , our missiles cant reach any other possible hostile from the west just in case ... but this Nuclear Pakistan seems a iminant threat to world peace .. and just because of that we were put into this WOT , ( at least some peoples believe in it ) ....
so why not we surrender our Nuclear weapons to UN ? ? US from 2001 try to reach our Nukes , or at least trying to locate them , and its a open secret to all ... we have no access to modern technology , no news military hardware , nothing .... we cant test ICBMs etc ,just because we will face a huge retaliation from the west and possible sanctions ....
our one and only possible enemy is India , at least this what we are told . Americans are friendly to us along with NATO ... than why not just give our Nukes to UN , on conditions which we can put in front of west like , economic reforms and corridor, increase in trade , more access to conventional weapons , for example turkey , Japan and Germany ... except turkey germany and Japan is under US Nuclear Umbrella and they have one of the most advance conventional military's in the world .... why cant we do the same ? we all know US presence in Pak .. whatever high tech and sophisticated weapons USA give us were before we got out nuke tests , why cant we compromise our nukes for a high tech powerful conventional army ?

there might be some possible cases which peoples might be thinking here ...
like .. :
1. what if india attack us ?
2. what if US attack us ?
3. we are the only Islamic nation who posses nukes ..is it a honor or burden ?

1. War with india is something we can experience anytime , and that is reality ...but will india use Nukes on us ? we all know that border skirmishes are happening since kargil and even before , but do we really think that any future conflict will trigger a nuclear war ? and what if we get US nuclear Umbrella like Japan and Germany ? made a pact with them to protect us in future conflicts , only in case of Nukes get involved in war ...
in return we can have more weapons and technology from the west .. i talk about Economic corridor and more trade that will help us build our economy strong .. we can take japan Germany and turkey as example , they have strong conventional army but the only weapon they dont have is Nukes, but did this make their countries valuable to their enemies ? and have US nukes on our soil will make sure that Russians or Indian will not dare to use Nukes ....and by having more conventional weapons we can fight better of with indians ....

2.we all know that many of people in Pakistan believe USA as their enemy and think that sooner or later they will attack us , even if they do , what we can do to prevent them attacking us ??
Answer is NOTHING ...

3 . So many peoples proudly say that we are the only Islamic nation that holds the nuclear weapons , but what benefit we ever give to any of our brotherly Islamic nation ?? none ...this Islamic Ummah and Islamic bomb make things worse for us than make them safe ... our country is more insecure than today ... wont we better before 1999 ?? no Taliban factor , no TTP , no foreign fighters , no band organizations , no suicide bombings etc.. ... world knows that we can not transfer the technology to any of Islamic country nor put our nukes into any other's soil ... than what might be reason to hold this title of " First Islamic country to get Nukes " ????when there is no benefit to it ?


I know lots of peoples here think that Nukes are the guaranty for our safety from India .. but this is also a reality that a full scale Nuclear war between Pakistan and India is impossible , and we can not fight with US , Nato or Israel with our current inventory ..because our missiles simply cant reach there ...
so here the deal what if we offer our nukes to UN and in return we ask for certain thing , what you guys think will be a better deal ?! and what if this all mess of WOT suddenly vanish after surrendering our nukes ? than we can be the tiger of Asia ....

P.s : i want a serious discussion on topic , so mods please try to make this thread clean from trolls , anyone can reply but only if you have something positive related to topic ..

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[Shariq786]

on your 1st point, those 'apes' are smarter and better connected and supported in Pakistan, so it is easier for them to find and access than even if US spends billions. Because Pakistan has proved time and again in the past that they love extremist religion, money and then peace and justice in that order. The apes you talk about have extremist religion and money in tank fulls.

the rest of the points about terrorism being contained - I hope for your own sake that you are right and that Pakistan can finally after 15 years can get their act together. Killing terrorists is tough enough in Pakistan but killing establishment support to all terrorists is even more difficult.

than you might wanna know they are better connected in **** peoples not the ARMY only high rank army officials know that where our nukes are ...
2. And Pakistan proved In the Past that we support terrorism and extremism when name 1 ???? If your talking about making of TTP and Talibans then you should know better that Talibans are the same Mujahideen which were funded by CIA and Trained by ISI during Soviet Invasion and TTP are part of that now tell me other extremist group which we support or made ??
3. No one in our army supports terrorist proved 6 months ago when OP Zrb e Azb started !!!

 

[k_arura]

topic was about kashmir a lost war for who where did BD came in between ??? you wanted to talk about kashmir i did now you just dodging my ques and ans by changing the topic to BD but i think this would be your exercise
I will quote it again KASHMIR LOST WAR FOR PAK is like you guys living in a fools paradise !!!

What makes you think BD has no claim on Kashmir"? Remember they were the original Pakistanis who were instrumental in creation of Pak.

 

[he-man]

Because usa can take away that umbrella anytime exposing u to indian rain

 

[ejaz007]

exactly , as japan ans Germany use it for .... " Darane ke liye " and remove the possibility for war with india forever ..

Possibility of war can never be eliminated.

 

[kaku1]

We are buying 100 F-35As and 16 F-35Bs mate. Though India and Turkey will never go to a war. It may seem a bit crazy today but I bet after 10-15 years IN and TNF will be exercising together.

Bro, I dont think so that is even possible. There is no Turkish economical or militaristic interest in India, neither India has in Turkey.

Actually India and Turkey dont care about other, India dont care what the Turkey doing, and neither Turkey care about India. It not going to affect Turkey a single bit if India gone bankrupt or become super power.

India has its own allies in Europe, like Britain, France and Germany. And Turkey has its own in South Asia like Pak.

 

[kaku1]

Because India faked some terrorists attacked, then created a war hysteria, and then pulled back.

What I do laugh or cry? BTW, who did the OBL raid? Maybe it was a fake raid too, practiced in Nevada, like the Apollo mission. Right?

 

[kaku1]

Our navy is weak?
16 frigates +8 TF-2000 AAWfrigates,+4 TF 100 multi role frigates in the future.
8 corvettes +6 more Milgem corvettes
14 subs +6 type 214 AIPs,first one laid down.
27 missile boats
22 patrol boats
20 mine countermeasure vessels
+1 LHD

Lets compare the navy with tonnage, you will know what I mean.

 

[kaku1]

To face an enemy like India, we need to use our brains first

nukie toys are just what they say "toys" for few boys.


And if we use brains, Pakistan can have long term, very long term survival it the region.


Hope you understand.

So, what idea you have in your mind? After removing those fancy toys?

 

[rockstar08]

Germany is a Christian nation---japan was supposed to become wholly Christian in due time----same for south korea----that is why you see north korea not being taken on---supposedly a future Christian nation---.

Ukraine has been conventionally a part of Russia since 850 AD I believe----.

Rockstar---you know where to find the best help and friendship----it is the hand at the end of your arm----. You can jack off---you can scratch your itch---you can wipe your arse---you can eat with it---pull the trigger---push the button---do whatsoever a hand can do and it would be there when you need it.

Why would be so stupid to park Russian missiles in our backyards ----what has Russia done to us. Rusia threatened to nuc us one time----it was about Gary Powers---his U2 flew from Peshawar-----the Russian threatened to nuc the base it operated out of.

You know what---the American history books in the college never mentioned Pakistan---they mentioned turkey and not a wrd about pak----even though we could have been nuc'd by Russia.

The thing with the u s is that it cannot be trusted with an alliance----and both the sides are at fault----Pakistani citizenery is stupid---and will stay as such----they have no clue when to stand up for Pakistan and when to move away from the terrorist muslim brothers who cannot live in their countries---an identity crisis.

The Pakistanis also don't know how to force a deal upon the u s---even though they had the u s by the ballz---.

i know that we need to help ourselves first ... but its not that we never try ?
Pakistan , was and will remaining under threat from both sides of the border , and everyone know that CIA is operating and protecting TTP , and supporting BLA ..

as far as Russians nuking Pakistan is concern , i dont think that they would do so ... there was many Occasion in past when both USSR and USA threat each other with nukes .. Russians can not nuke any country and get away easily like USA did in WW2 ..

now for USA history say nothing about us , you can see it both ways ... how much Pakistan history speak about usa , in positive way ??
and why USA hate Pakistani ? just because of WOT , and co-incidentally this whole mess start just after 2 years we become nuclear state ?? 1999 we conduct our test and suddenly out of no where this war of terror start and USA travel miles from their home land and sit right next to us ? and all of a sudden we start having suicide bombing , banned organizations ... if its usa who is responsible for all this, than why not make them permanent allies and lets make a security pact with them ??

 

[rockstar08]

There is no honour in slavery!

and you think we not slave of USA for now ?
they give you aid , and ask you to do whatever they want ,
USA still have a lot of influence in your politics , and even choosing COAS and DG ISI

 

[rockstar08]

Possibility of war can never be eliminated.

just like USSR stand with India in 71 , and send their nuke sub close to karachi port , If a USA nuke sub is stationed in Pak , situation would have been different

 

[Neptune]

Bro, I dont think so that is even possible. There is no Turkish economical or militaristic interest in India, neither India has in Turkey.

Actually India and Turkey dont care about other, India dont care what the Turkey doing, and neither Turkey care about India. It not going to affect Turkey a single bit if India gone bankrupt or become super power.

India has its own allies in Europe, like Britain, France and Germany. And Turkey has its own in South Asia like Pak.

Let's see what the future will bring.