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Inqhilab

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When China reduced people in poverty by 220 million between 1978 and 2004, the world applauded this as the greatest poverty reduction in history. Amartya Sen, Joseph Stiglitz and all other poverty specialists cheered.
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India has just reduced its number of poor from 407 million to 269 million, a fall of 138 million in seven years between 2004-05 and 2011-12 . This is faster than China's poverty reduction rate at a comparable stage of development, though for a much shorter period

India has just reduced its number of poor from 407 million to 269 million, a fall of 138 million in seven years between 2004-05 and 2011-12 . This is faster than China's poverty reduction rate at a comparable stage of development, though for a much shorter period. Are the China-cheerers hailing India for doing even better?

No, many who hailed China are today rubbishing the Indian achievement as meaningless or statistically fudged. This includes the left, many NGOs and some TV anchors. The double standard is startling.

The Tendulkar Committee determined India's poverty definition. The Tendulkar poverty line in 2011-12 came to Rs 4,000 per rural and Rs 5,000 per urban family of five. Critics say this is ridiculously low. But it is roughly equal to the World Bank's well-established poverty line of $1.25 per day in Purchasing Power Parity terms (which translates into around 50 cents/day in current dollars). This is used by over 100 countries, by the United Nations and many other international agencies. When the whole world uses this standard, why call it statistical fudge?

When China claimed to have lifted 220 million people out of poverty, guess what its poverty line was? Just $85 per year, or $0.24 per day! Whatever statistical adjustments you make for comparability, it was far lower than today's Tendulkar line. Did today's critics of the Tendulkar line castigate China for fudging? No, they sang China's praises.

The World Bank actually has two lines — $1.25 denoting extreme poverty, and $2 denoting moderate poverty. India can also adopt two lines, the Tendulkar line for extreme poverty and a new Rangarajan line for moderate poverty, at around $2/day.

But this will in no way diminish the great achievement of slashing the number of those historically called poor — we can call them the "extreme poor" — by 138 million in seven years. Allowing for rising population in this period, the number saved from extreme poverty is even higher at 180 million.

Given our rising GDP and expectations, we can rename the Tendulkar line as our extreme poverty line. But to condemn it as statistical fudge is ridiculous. The $1.25 line is a world standard, even if it is below the Arnab Goswami line or Sitaram Yechhury line. Indian critics may not accept it, but the world will. There is, of course, the separate issue of who should be entitled to various government subsidies, including food subsidies. Economists talk of targeting subsidies at those below the Tendulkar line. But for politicians, the aim of subsidies is to win votes. And clearly you win more votes by extending subsidies to two-thirds of the population, rather than the poorest one-third .

This spread of subsidies to those above the extreme poverty line was once called "leakages to the non-poor ." But it is considered good politics even if it is bad economics . This explains why the government chose to cover 67% of the population in the Food Security Bill, even though the poverty ratio at the time was 30%.

However, critics quickly exposed this as a double standard. They asked, if your Food Security Bill views two-thirds of the people as needy, how could you have a poverty line saying only one third are poor? The government found it difficult to say this was good politics even if it was bad economics. Instead, it appointed the Rangarajan Committee to devise a higher poverty line. This line will almost certainly be around the moderate poverty line ($ 2/day in PPP terms) of the World Bank.

Many critics and TV anchors will cheer at the prospect of freebies to two-thirds of the population. Yet here lie the seeds of fiscal disaster. India is poor because it has spent too much on ill-targeted subsidies, leaving too little for infrastructure and effective education that will raise incomes permanently. Total subsidies (mostly non-merit subsidies) exploded in the 1980s, reaching 14.5 % of GDP, almost as much as all central and state tax revenue. This ended in a fiscal and balance of payments crisis in 1991.

The risk of a new poverty line of $2/day is that it will create political demands for more freebies to twothird of the population. That will further erode limited funds for productive spending.

In theory we can limit subsidies to the poorest and cut out unworthy subsidies. In practice, the combined pressure of vote banks and TV anchors threatens to raise subsidies beyond all prudent limits. There lie the seeds of another 1991-style disaster.

Why no applause for 138 million exiting poverty? - The Economic Times on Mobile

PDF is full of INC haters and NaMo lovers but its a fact that nobody alive can claim that he had more positive impact on the lives of ordinary Indians than Dr. Manmohan Singh.
 
@Inqhilab the three basic human needs are 'Food,Shelter & Clothing'....rit???


In present condition,Rs. 5000 is only just enough for food...have you think of the remaining two???

Do you have any idea abt the no. of homeless in India???

In my state(Kerala) so called the most socially developed state in India,around 11% of people doesn't have own house or land..then think about the states like UP,Bihar or MP.

In my opinion, the poverty line should be atleast Rs.8000 for a family of five.


I'm not a BJP fan & also I dont think that BJPs policies are much different from congress....But I believe in NaMo..he is the only one who can make some changes in this country.
 
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@Inqhilab the three basic human needs are 'Food,Shelter & Clothing'....rit???


In present condition,Rs. 5000 is only just enough for food...have you think of the remaining two???

Do you have any idea abt the no. of homeless in India???

In my state(Kerala) so called the most socially developed state in India,around 11% of people doesn't have own house or land..then think about the states like UP,Bihar or MP.

In my opinion, the poverty line should be atleast Rs.8000 for a family of five.


I'm not a BJP fan & also I dont think that BJPs policies are much different from congress....But I believe in NaMo..he is the only one who can make some changes in this country.
how dare you say that..din't you hear the congress minister say, you can eat food at Rs 5 near jama masjid
 
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India still has MASSIVE progress to make in:

Infrastructure

Law and order

Governance

Environmental protection

etc.
 
When China reduced people in poverty by 220 million between 1978 and 2004, the world applauded this as the greatest poverty reduction in history. Amartya Sen, Joseph Stiglitz and all other poverty specialists cheered.
thumb.cms

India has just reduced its number of poor from 407 million to 269 million, a fall of 138 million in seven years between 2004-05 and 2011-12 . This is faster than China's poverty reduction rate at a comparable stage of development, though for a much shorter period

India has just reduced its number of poor from 407 million to 269 million, a fall of 138 million in seven years between 2004-05 and 2011-12 . This is faster than China's poverty reduction rate at a comparable stage of development, though for a much shorter period. Are the China-cheerers hailing India for doing even better?


No, many who hailed China are today rubbishing the Indian achievement as meaningless or statistically fudged. This includes the left, many NGOs and some TV anchors. The double standard is startling.

The Tendulkar Committee determined India's poverty definition. The Tendulkar poverty line in 2011-12 came to Rs 4,000 per rural and Rs 5,000 per urban family of five. Critics say this is ridiculously low. But it is roughly equal to the World Bank's well-established poverty line of $1.25 per day in Purchasing Power Parity terms (which translates into around 50 cents/day in current dollars). This is used by over 100 countries, by the United Nations and many other international agencies. When the whole world uses this standard, why call it statistical fudge?

When China claimed to have lifted 220 million people out of poverty, guess what its poverty line was? Just $85 per year, or $0.24 per day! Whatever statistical adjustments you make for comparability, it was far lower than today's Tendulkar line. Did today's critics of the Tendulkar line castigate China for fudging? No, they sang China's praises.

The World Bank actually has two lines — $1.25 denoting extreme poverty, and $2 denoting moderate poverty. India can also adopt two lines, the Tendulkar line for extreme poverty and a new Rangarajan line for moderate poverty, at around $2/day.

But this will in no way diminish the great achievement of slashing the number of those historically called poor — we can call them the "extreme poor" — by 138 million in seven years. Allowing for rising population in this period, the number saved from extreme poverty is even higher at 180 million.

Given our rising GDP and expectations, we can rename the Tendulkar line as our extreme poverty line. But to condemn it as statistical fudge is ridiculous. The $1.25 line is a world standard, even if it is below the Arnab Goswami line or Sitaram Yechhury line. Indian critics may not accept it, but the world will. There is, of course, the separate issue of who should be entitled to various government subsidies, including food subsidies. Economists talk of targeting subsidies at those below the Tendulkar line. But for politicians, the aim of subsidies is to win votes. And clearly you win more votes by extending subsidies to two-thirds of the population, rather than the poorest one-third .

This spread of subsidies to those above the extreme poverty line was once called "leakages to the non-poor ." But it is considered good politics even if it is bad economics . This explains why the government chose to cover 67% of the population in the Food Security Bill, even though the poverty ratio at the time was 30%.

However, critics quickly exposed this as a double standard. They asked, if your Food Security Bill views two-thirds of the people as needy, how could you have a poverty line saying only one third are poor? The government found it difficult to say this was good politics even if it was bad economics. Instead, it appointed the Rangarajan Committee to devise a higher poverty line. This line will almost certainly be around the moderate poverty line ($ 2/day in PPP terms) of the World Bank.

Many critics and TV anchors will cheer at the prospect of freebies to two-thirds of the population. Yet here lie the seeds of fiscal disaster. India is poor because it has spent too much on ill-targeted subsidies, leaving too little for infrastructure and effective education that will raise incomes permanently. Total subsidies (mostly non-merit subsidies) exploded in the 1980s, reaching 14.5 % of GDP, almost as much as all central and state tax revenue. This ended in a fiscal and balance of payments crisis in 1991.

The risk of a new poverty line of $2/day is that it will create political demands for more freebies to twothird of the population. That will further erode limited funds for productive spending.

In theory we can limit subsidies to the poorest and cut out unworthy subsidies. In practice, the combined pressure of vote banks and TV anchors threatens to raise subsidies beyond all prudent limits. There lie the seeds of another 1991-style disaster.

Why no applause for 138 million exiting poverty? - The Economic Times on Mobile

PDF is full of INC haters and NaMo lovers but its a fact that nobody alive can claim that he had more positive impact on the lives of ordinary Indians than Dr. Manmohan Singh.

we have change definition of poverty ............

so i guess result is because of changing definition
 
You need "congratulation"? Ok, congratulation to you!!

But hope you really get the achievement, not just political propaganda for political election, and really more normal people can get out of poverty, and don't back to poverty soon, or just a "number"!
 
I support Manmohanomics. :tup:

I support Chidambaram. :tup:

I support direct benefits transfers. :tup:

Because you are a bloody fool who does not understand economics and are incapable of comprehending destruction " Hand out " policy will bring forth.

Congress winning third term will be a "Funeral of Middle class". Only Super rich leecher netas and their cronies and dependent Captive " Beggar Votebank" would survive.
 
You need "congratulation"? Ok, congratulation to you!!

But hope you really get the achievement, not just political propaganda for political election, and really more normal people can get out of poverty, and don't back to poverty soon, or just a "number"!

Use your brains once in a while before writing something . This is not about congratulation and seriously , we don't require any of yours .

The Tendulkar line on which the poverty is based has found much criticism in India . The article points out the fact that the line is actually one very close to the international data and in some cases even better than some countries whi have claimed to uplifted mass population from poverty.
 
1978 - 2004? only 220 million out of poverty? Do you really believe those numbers on the part of China.

1978 China GDP per capita was 351 RMB ($50) 2004 12500 RMB ($2000). With 1.3 billion people, does this article sound rational?

A 40 time fold increase in GDP per capita (this is nominal), yet the article claims only 15% was lifted out of poverty in China over 25 years.

Indian tabloid journalism is not to be taken seriously, get a grip cheerleaders.
 
India can easily wipe out 1.2 billion in poverty by lowering the poverty line to zero rupee a day。

Simple really.

Now congratulations are in order for your great achievement and the whole goes berzerk at the joyous news.:rofl:
 
Just like every other thread having good news about India , this thread is also infested with burning chinese @sses .... :lol:

Burn more chinese low life troll$ ..... :flame:
 
1978 - 2004? only 220 million out of poverty? Do you really believe those numbers on the part of China.

1978 China GDP per capita was 351 RMB ($50) 2004 12500 RMB ($2000). With 1.3 billion people, does this article sound rational?

A 40 time fold increase in GDP per capita (this is nominal), yet the article claims only 15% was lifted out of poverty in China over 25 years.

Indian tabloid journalism is not to be taken seriously, get a grip cheerleaders.

These people believe that an economy that has consistently grew 30-40% slower than another for the last 35 years is actually able to lift more people out of poverty than the other, and faster!

Talking about the IQs of whom you know.:azn:
 

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