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Iran has historically been the only country who boosts the record for the biggest military upsets in human history.

In 3 occasions biggest military upsets in human history happened in Iran and now I want to explain why this happened and why this will most likely happen again in any form of future military struggle.

1: Macedonia vs Persia in the battle of Issus

The Persians outnumber the enemy by a large margin. 40.850 vs 600.000

2: Umar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb vs Persia

Battle of Firaz: 15.000 vs 150.000

Battle of Nahāvand: 30.000 120.000

At this point in time it was a norm to see a larger Iranian forces to fall into shock defeats where the odds was heavily in their favor.

3: Mirwais Hotak vs Safavid dynasty

This one is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not that 300 movie which was fake but this one was real and authentic event that took place. A tiny tribe from Kandahar conquered the whole of Iran and this happened just a little less then 300 years ago in the 17th century.

The safavid dysnasty controlled western part of Afghanistan and whole of Iran but what happened is that they arrested a youth called Mirwais Hotak and later he and his tribe revolted and this tiny harmless revolt led by 30.000 Kandahar tribesmen destroyed the entire safavid dynasty and conquered the Whole of Iran and Afghanistan. This is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not even Sun tzu's campaign is equal or close to it.

Once Kandahar fell to Hotak the Safavid in desparation kept sending reinforcement to recapture it quickly but everything send was destroyed by Mirwais Hotak and his small outnumbered tribesmen who eventually had so much success that they decided to march into Iran and capture the capital and Isfahan.

The odds was like 1000000:1
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Aside from all that what is the real cause of this bizarre events and defeats?

the answer is moral? The people are kept against their will in Iran and they never tend to be true to their roots. example when ever they leave Iran most Iranians leave Islam and denounce their citizenship. The Iranians have historically been good at adminstration and just basically traders and war has not been for them and achieved much of their success thru adminstration and slave forces.

They are not true to what they stand for so there is always lack of motivation to fall back on when the going gets tough.

In today's modern Iran the same issues are there. The people just want someone to cause regime change whether it comes from inside or outside and they seek economical gains rather then being in line with the Mullah regime as you saw recent demonstrations against the regime due to economical crisis.

In all areas Iran is a paper-tiger and much smaller neighbouring countries can upset them at any given time.

If you think militarily and equipment wise even smaller neighbouring nations such as UAE can upset them by claiming air-dominance while being better equipped overall and just being ruthless by destroying big cities and infrastructure could upset and de-moralize them.

THAAD and other forms of anti-missiles will limit them while they will definitely lose the air-dominance. So they will have to resort to manpads and anti-tanks because they will definitely lose firepower advantage. The key for them will be defensive wall and that can only work if the attacking country is not aggressive because if they are then they can level much of the cities to the ground and try to do as much as possible damage.

Israel can overcome Iran in a 1v1 type of war without any asistance
 
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Iran has historically been the only country who boosts the record for the biggest military upsets in human history.

In 3 occasions biggest military upsets in human history happened in Iran and now I want to explain why this happened and why this will most likely happen again in any form of future military struggle.

1: Macedonia vs Persia in the battle of Issus

The Persians outnumber the enemy by a large margin. 40.850 vs 600.000

2: Umar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb vs Persia

Battle of Firaz: 15.000 vs 150.000

Battle of Nahāvand: 30.000 120.000

At this point in time it was a norm to see a larger Iranian forces to fall into shock defeats where the odds was heavily in their favor.

3: Mirwais Hotak vs Safavid dynasty

This one is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not that 300 movie which was fake but this one was real and authentic event that took place. A tiny tribe from Kandahar conquered the whole of Iran and this happened just a little less then 300 years ago in the 17th century.

The safavid dysnasty controlled western part of Afghanistan and whole of Iran but what happened is that they arrested a youth called Mirwais Hotak and later he and his tribe revolted and this tiny harmless revolt led by 30.000 Kandahar tribesmen destroyed the entire safavid dynasty and conquered the Whole of Iran and Afghanistan. This is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not even Sun tzu's campaign is equal or close to it.

Once Kandahar fell to Hotak the Safavid in desparation kept sending reinforcement to recapture it quickly but everything send was destroyed by Mirwais Hotak and his small outnumbered tribesmen who eventually had so much success that they decided to march into Iran and capture the capital and Isfahan.

The odds was like 1000000:1
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Aside from all that what is the real cause of this bizarre events and defeats?

the answer is moral? The people are kept against their will in Iran and they never tend to be true to their roots. example when ever they leave Iran most Iranians leave Islam and denounce their citizenship. The Iranians have historically been good at adminstration and just basically traders and war has not been for them and achieved much of their success thru adminstration and slave forces.

They are not true to themselves or what they stand for so there is always lack of motivation to fall back on when the going gets tough.

In today's modern Iran the same issues are there. The people just want someone to cause regime change whether it comes from inside or outside and they seek economical gains rather then being in line with the Mullah regime as you saw recent demonstrations against the regime due to economical crisis.

In all areas Iran is a paper-tiger and much smaller neighbouring countries can upset them at any given time.

If you think militarily and equipment wise even smaller neighbouring nations such as UAE can upset them by claiming air-dominance while being better equipped overall and just being ruthless by destroying big cities and infrastructure could upset and de-moralize them.

THAAD and other forms of anti-missiles will limit them while they will definitely lose the air-dominance. So they will have to resort to manpads and anti-tanks because they will definitely lose firepower advantage. The key for them will be defensive wall and that can only work if the attacking country is not aggressive because if they are then they can level much of the cities to the ground and try to do as much as possible damage.

Israel can overcome Iran in a 1v1 type of war without any asistance
The real reason is : Israel is west's franchise in East. And Iran has no match to the combined power of west.
That's the reason why THAAD system was there overnight. Other countries would have negotiated for years to get the system.
So to defeat Israel, Iran must defeat all west first.
 
Iran has historically been the only country who boosts the record for the biggest military upsets in human history.

In 3 occasions biggest military upsets in human history happened in Iran and now I want to explain why this happened and why this will most likely happen again in any form of future military struggle.

1: Macedonia vs Persia in the battle of Issus

The Persians outnumber the enemy by a large margin. 40.850 vs 600.000

2: Umar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb vs Persia

Battle of Firaz: 15.000 vs 150.000

Battle of Nahāvand: 30.000 120.000

At this point in time it was a norm to see a larger Iranian forces to fall into shock defeats where the odds was heavily in their favor.

3: Mirwais Hotak vs Safavid dynasty

This one is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not that 300 movie which was fake but this one was real and authentic event that took place. A tiny tribe from Kandahar conquered the whole of Iran and this happened just a little less then 300 years ago in the 17th century.

The safavid dysnasty controlled western part of Afghanistan and whole of Iran but what happened is that they arrested a youth called Mirwais Hotak and later he and his tribe revolted and this tiny harmless revolt led by 30.000 Kandahar tribesmen destroyed the entire safavid dynasty and conquered the Whole of Iran and Afghanistan. This is probably the biggest military upset in human history and not even Sun tzu's campaign is equal or close to it.

Once Kandahar fell to Hotak the Safavid in desparation kept sending reinforcement to recapture it quickly but everything send was destroyed by Mirwais Hotak and his small outnumbered tribesmen who eventually had so much success that they decided to march into Iran and capture the capital and Isfahan.

The odds was like 1000000:1
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Aside from all that what is the real cause of this bizarre events and defeats?

the answer is moral? The people are kept against their will in Iran and they never tend to be true to their roots. example when ever they leave Iran most Iranians leave Islam and denounce their citizenship. The Iranians have historically been good at adminstration and just basically traders and war has not been for them and achieved much of their success thru adminstration and slave forces.

They are not true to themselves or what they stand for so there is always lack of motivation to fall back on when the going gets tough.

In today's modern Iran the same issues are there. The people just want someone to cause regime change whether it comes from inside or outside and they seek economical gains rather then being in line with the Mullah regime as you saw recent demonstrations against the regime due to economical crisis.

In all areas Iran is a paper-tiger and much smaller neighbouring countries can upset them at any given time.

If you think militarily and equipment wise even smaller neighbouring nations such as UAE can upset them by claiming air-dominance while being better equipped overall and just being ruthless by destroying big cities and infrastructure could upset and de-moralize them.

THAAD and other forms of anti-missiles will limit them while they will definitely lose the air-dominance. So they will have to resort to manpads and anti-tanks because they will definitely lose firepower advantage. The key for them will be defensive wall and that can only work if the attacking country is not aggressive because if they are then they can level much of the cities to the ground and try to do as much as possible damage.

Israel can overcome Iran in a 1v1 type of war without any asistance
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If you think militarily and equipment wise even smaller neighbouring nations such as UAE can upset them by claiming air-dominance while being better equipped overall and just being ruthless by destroying big cities and infrastructure could upset and de-moralize them.

Israel can overcome Iran in a 1v1 type of war without any asistance
Nowadays, annexation of other countries become usual thing.
For sure we would annex both UAE and Israel to Iran if they do any shit against Iran.
 
That's apart from the $4billion it gets in military aid from the US every year, and the trade deals so biased that they actually work against the US.

Israel gets foreign assistance like a plant gets sunshine.


4 billion is just the guaranteed amount. Other amounts are disbursed on an ad-hoc basis.
 
4 billion is just the guaranteed amount. Other amounts are disbursed on an ad-hoc basis.

Yes. If you count all of the US's largesse to Israel; trade deals that no other country can get, technology and scientific 'sharing' (= the plundering of new technology researched by US scientists and the US taxpayer and handed over for free to Israel) and other programmes, the figure quoted is $20 billion per year.

Yes gentlemen, Israel can defeat Iran all by itself.
 
What this jahel OP neglected to mention is the fact that (lets assume for the moment) that these victories against Iran were real........How long did they last?..........lol

Alexander's was gone within 50 years. The Parthians came right back.

Araab victory lasted barely a hundred years, then Iran reasserted itself.

Pashtu joker victory (if its to be believed) lasted what? a few hours?

lol

How long did we rule compared to these invaders? And still in command!

Yet hezbullah with no airforce no navy no tanks no artillery no apc and only 12000 fighter managed to defeat israel in 2006.

What bullshit
 
Alexander's was gone within 50 years. The Parthians came right back.

Araab victory lasted barely a hundred years, then Iran reasserted itself.

50-100 years is not long enough to be counted? :o:

A century is roughly 5-6 generations...

Just to give you some perspective, if someone occupies Iran today and the occupation ends in the year 2119, would you consider it trivial?
 
After Alexanders death, it was basically over. The Greek satraps ran helter skelter. Within 50 years or so the Greek conquest was over. Parthians rose to power almost immediately.

Iran has had many many dynasties. The periods of Alexander, Rome or Arabs exercising power were minuscule.

50-100 years is not long enough to be counted? :o:

A century is roughly 5-6 generations...

Just to give you some perspective, if someone occupies Iran today and the occupation ends in the year 2119, would you consider it trivial?
 
What this jahel OP neglected to mention is the fact that (lets assume for the moment) that these victories against Iran were real........How long did they last?..........lol

Alexander's was gone within 50 years. The Parthians came right back.

Araab victory lasted barely a hundred years, then Iran reasserted itself.

Pashtu joker victory (if its to be believed) lasted what? a few hours?

lol

How long did we rule compared to these invaders? And still in command!

You came back because these invaders had other things on their minds and bigger goals. Example Alexander was stopped in Pakistan and after that his empire split into different parts.

As for the Arabs they had better things to do and went elsewhere as they were busy.

Mirwais Hotak and his tribesmen ruled for about 20-years and could have stayed there for much longer if it were not for another war with the Ottoman which was probably suicidal on the Hotak tribes part and after these Ottoman battles it was difficult for them to keep Persia for much longer.

for all 3 invaders had one thing in common There wasen't much resistance or insurgency against them in persia they just happened to be going elsewhere and defeated these places and wasted manpower elsewhere
 
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Wrong, Alexander died of malaria on his way home to Macedonia and died in Iraq. Soon after his empire crumbled.

You came back because these invaders had other things on their minds and bigger goals. Example Alexander was stopped in Pakistan and to be specific in the tribal areas and after that his empire split into different parts.

As for the Arabs they had better things to do and went other places as they were busy.

Mirwais Hotak and his tribesmen ruled for about 20-years and could have stayed there for much longer if it were not for another war with the Ottoman which was probably suicidal on the Hotak tribes part and after these Ottoman battles it was difficult for them to keep Persia for much longer.

There wasen't much resistance or insurgency they just happened to be going elsewhere and defeated these places and wasted manpower elsewhere
 
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