Why is metro rail construction costlier in Bangladesh?

[Skies]

This is the common mistake we do in all south Asian cities, instead of developing and investing on smaller towns, the villages and country sides, the smaller towns in health and education and providing jobs there, we tend to invest more on already developed city/cities, and due to the employment available as such project like Metro and other industries are labor intensive...people tend to migrate in droves to the urban cities adding to the high density, and more cutter.

We need a city less country full of smart villages.

No centralisation but connected.

More like community than a country, may be.

 

[Bombaywalla]

No, it means less roads and more buildings. And Metro line 3 of Mumbai that you are speaking of, would cost $104+ million/km. Very cheap for underground metro especially compared to Dhaka which will be elevated.

That’s not entirely true and is a rather simplistic way of looking at the issue. As usual, you don’t have the numbers nor the data to back up your claim. You’re gettin ripped off, plain and simple.

No denying the fact that Bangladesh is land stressed, also just one big cosmo cityDacca is putting too much pressure due to inland economic migration to the main city. All the textile related RMG industry is scattered in and around Dacca putting in the extra pressure. Some reverse migration is needed.

Cosmopolitan from which angle?

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Cosmopolitan from which angle?

LOL...Metropolitan is a better word. Cosmopolitan, the word has even come to connote sophisticated and urbane. Metropolitan usually has only one meaning and that is to refer to a large city with a large population having social and economic relations with satellite towns. A cosmopolitan city consists of people from different parts of the world.

 

[gslv mk3]

Butthurt Indian trolls are crying sour grapes in this thread because they put in a proposal to build the metro here but we politely showed them the door.

No one is 'butt-hurt' about you getting ripped off...

Enjoy spending 3-4 times the normal costs in literally every project.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Cosmopolitan from which angle?

BTW Lahore orange line Metro train is going through the trial run.

Constructed with a cost of 1.65 billion USD(initial cost), on and around. The civil work, the structural work of the track, pillars and girders are done by the local companies, looks neat and clean construction, the rolling stock, the train is imported from China, pretty obvious....and I have mostly written against this extravagant project, it is mostly about priorities, setting them right.

 

[Chaosmaster]

BTW Lahore orange like Metro is going through the trial run.

Constructed with a cost of 2 billion USD, on and around. The civil work, the structural work of the track, pillars and girders are done by the local companies, looks neat and clean construction, the rolling stock, the train is imported from China, pretty obvious....and I have mostly written against this extravagant project, it is mostly about priorities, setting them right.

That metro looks good, but does Lahore really has so much traffic that it needed metro or is it more towards planning for future?

 

[my2cents]

Of course, as a suppa pawa citizen you can't accept anything better or bigger in Bangladesh than India. That's why first 3 points are false and the last 3 are true.

One of the biggest challenges is land acquisition and moving of utilities to accommodate the metro. In major cities the land compensation and litigations are ever increasing delaying the project completion. Cost overruns are a part and parcel of these major projects. You have not mentioned if these extraneous items have been accounted for in your report. The first three items you mentioned does not increase the project cost by 3 times. So, only explanation is that your Japanese supplier and your politicians are in cohoot to deprive your lot from a transparent accounting and true nature of this project.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

That metro looks good, but does Lahore really has so much traffic that it needed metro or is it more towards planning for future?

It might need one at this point in time as the city has grown to a population of 12 million, suburbs included. And many parts of the newer townships are well planned but there is no provision for a Metro Train, other corridors, there are four planned corridors actually in total, including this orange line corridor, from north to south, east to west and crisscrossing the city.

But as I've written earlier this is a very extravagant and continuously cost incurring project and other things should have been prioritized over it, but....such mega projects does attracts lots of people fancy and kind of helpful to some extent...

 

[Bombaywalla]

It might need one at this point in time as the city has grown to a population of 12 million, suburbs included.

Every major city deserves a mass transit railway network. Building inner-city expressways and road-based mass transit infra will only get you so far.

But as I've written earlier this is a very extravagant and continuously cost incurring project and other things should have been prioritized over it,

Kickbacks! Blame your local politicians; that’s all there is to it.

 

[Chaosmaster]

It might need one at this point in time as the city has grown to a population of 12 million, suburbs included. And many parts of the newer townships are well planned but there is no provision for a Metro Train, other corridors, there are four planned corridors actually in total, including this orange line corridor, from north to south, east to west and crisscrossing the city.

But as I've written earlier this is a very extravagant and continuously cost incurring project and other things should have been prioritized over it, but....such mega projects does attracts lots of people fancy and kind of helpful to some extent...

I agree that basic infra needs to be prioritized especially if there isn't adequate healthcare or roads (I'm just guessing here, I don't really know what are the immediate requirements of Lahore) But I know that Lahore is a growing city and if this metro weren't being constructed now, it would have just added to that requirement list in another 5 years at max.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

I agree that basic infra needs to be prioritized especially if there isn't adequate healthcare or roads (I'm just guessing here, I don't really know what are the immediate requirements of Lahore) But I know that Lahore is a growing city and if this metro weren't being constructed now, it would have just added to that requirement list in another 5 years at max

If this orange line results in less motorists on the road on a particular route, yes this is an achievement of sorts. Also most of this orange line passes through middle income to lower income old Lahore areas, so this might actually help people who doesn't owns a car.

Also such huge projects results in many downstream industries to flourish and helps in general economic activity. You have to make a start somewhere down the line, it is not possible that 100% people gets the healthcare, 100% people are getting the housing and jobs and then you will start such projects, it has to be a mix and match.

 

[my2cents]

Butthurt Indian trolls are crying sour grapes in this thread because they put in a proposal to build the metro here but we politely showed them the door.

Then why compare it to Indian metros cost when you could have compared to any other in the world and then justify it by ridiculous statements of advanced technological knowhow.

More than half of it is funded by JICA, no chance of corruption so do a little bit of research before speaking.

that still does not add up for 3X times the cost of an Indian metro.

Where is your comment on Delhi? Did you delete it? Either way, that's some serious issue you have, to cry so much over an offhanded remark.


No, it means less roads and more buildings. And Metro line 3 of Mumbai that you are speaking of, would cost $104+ million/km. Very cheap for underground metro especially compared to Dhaka which will be elevated.


Why 'may'? The difference with every metro needing private land is the scale. The thing is, density in Dhaka doesn't mean buildings get taller than the average 8-10 (?) floor. What it does translate to in real problem is Dhaka has less than 7% of land covered by roads where the recommended is 30 to 40%. Don't know about Mumbai but guessing Delhi doesn't have this problem. On top of that, most of those roads have underground pipelines and other infrastructures already in place because, well, we needed them. Add in all the inexperience, foreign entity and importation, and cost goes up. There is much more to metro cost than getting raw materials and just building one.

Why you guys can't build elevated pillars?? Just kidding....

 

[Michael Corleone]

that still does not add up for 3X times the cost of an Indian metro

LAbor cost, transport costs mount up in bd especially if the location USB’s constricted, concrete trucks have to offload to smaller trucks for ex to just enter congested place. Working daytime is impossible for most hours of the day, and many other hurdles.

 

[Nilgiri]

no chance of corruption

LOL. You seriously believe that? If only foreign agency loans+ handholding exists, everything will be automatic corruption free?

JICA oversizes such loans....baking in the expected corruption, delays, shadiness, palm greasing and the LDC nature of BD to begin with....don't kid yourself.

In the end again its the BD people that pay for it the hard way....money foregone just like money they forego when they are forced to go to India for medical treatment.

 

[UKBengali]

LOL. You seriously believe that? If only foreign agency loans+ handholding exists, everything will be automatic corruption free?

JICA oversizes such loans....baking in the expected corruption, delays, shadiness, palm greasing and the LDC nature of BD to begin with....don't kid yourself.

In the end again its the BD people that pay for it the hard way....money foregone just like money they forego when they are forced to go to India for medical treatment.

What is wrong with you????

BD has 160 million people with a 273 US billion dollar economy growing at more than 7% a year. It is the fastest growing 100 million+ population economy in the world and is aiming to stay this way for decades to come.

These infrastructure projects like bridges, power, metros, roads and railways are need to sustain and speed up economic growth. Some things will cost a little more now as BD does not have the expertise on-hand but the participation of BD companies in a lot of these projects naturally means that knowledge and skill will be gained for the future.

The loans are coming at very low(0.1%) to low(2%) interest rates. With the economic payback from the infrastructures they can easily be paid back.

Now, why can you not at least spend 5% of your time on your OWN forum rather than making useless comments in the BD section for once???!!!