Why is Israel So Successful Against Arab Armies

[Gomig-21]

At the end of the October War, most of the "Amazing SAM Umbrella" was smashed by the Israeli forces in the Western bridgehead.

Most? Not true. Only the southern sector. The 3 divisions and 60,000 of the 2nd Army were in the north of the bitter lakes was perfectly fine. They had their SAMs and by diverting some of them further south to northern Ismailiya, they could've protected the northern portion of the 3rd Army which could've also moved a bit north. The hypotheticals are endless. The point is, it wasn't a done deal and Israel withdrew in the end, not Egypt.

The third Army was thus at mercy of the Israeli Air Force.
It was cut off from supply, and without supply an Army in a desert does not last long.

People assume the EAF was completely destroyed or just vanished in the air. It had successfully fended off the Israeli Air Force which was attacking its airfields in the delta to prevent it from attacking the Israeli divisions on the west. The EAF still had potential to inflict serious damage on the Israelis, not to mention several other armored options from the 4th Infantry division and elements of the 2nd Army if it had to or was forced to do it if the cease fire didn't take effect. It was by no means a safe situation for the Israelis, either. Hence why they really couldn't impact the 3rd Army in a disastrous way. What gave the impression of some Israeli victory was that the war ended on that note. No one knows how exactly things would've developed had the war continued. Bottom line, they withdrew and Egypt kept its gained territories = victory.

While Egypt severly shaked the Israeli confidence, they messed up big time in the end.

There's no denying that. Sadat should have listened to General Shazly who wanted to pull a few units from the 2nd Army to close off the corridor for the Israeli crossing before it was too late. Sadat (who wasn't a full fledged military commander) didn't want to give the impression that any of the armies were giving up territory on the east to defend the west and ignored the Israeli penetration. This is where the Egyptian army failed. The command structure was not left to the generals and Sadat had the final say. Fail.

The real WINNER of the October War was the Americans.
They let the war continue, until the Egyptians were prepared to throw themselves
in their lap and abandoning the Soviets.

When you put it that way! It was still a solid victory for Egypt. The outcome was indisputably obvious in Egypt's favor, so any twisting or excusing of that has no credence. Every one should now realize and know Egypt was the victor, hands down.

 

[The SC]

And dude just to clarify, I do not do have anything against Arabs, It is the delusional posts SC and Saif al Camel make "Arab DNA stronkkk!", "500 million Arabs take over the world" & hiding and using Islam that P's everyone off here and makes people mock Arabs.



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You are tagging the wrong guy for the DNA, as for the Arabs, yes they are 500 million.. you are hurt with statistics or your arrogance is getting the best of your brain!?.. What do you have against Islam?.. don't you think that Turkey is still a third world country, to come here and open your mouth trying to look intelligent without proper knowledge or facts.. You heard many times that your opinion is not facts.. read the historical facts and keep your biased opinions to yourself..Everyone knows that Egypt has won the 1973 war, both militarily and politically.. if you are so brainwashed by the Zionist propaganda it is your problem and shows how educated you are, so not to be able to accept facts and all ready to swallow any propaganda..

Title should be 'was'

It's unknown to all users here how the inner structure of the relevant Arab armies have changed from back then under Soviet influence to today under US influence.

It was before 1973.. since then it is irrelevant, just some trolls spitting their hatred venom of the Arabs..
Before 1973 it was all French, England and US deceptions to allow Usrael to attack and claim victory.. Should that count for Usrael or the others? So this is totally false that Usrael won wars against the Arabs..

 

[Hexciter]

Everyone knows that Egypt has won the 1973 war,both militarily and politically..

 

[KAL-EL]

Which cow tastes better? Mc Donalds or Burger King?

don't eat fast food too often, but I think Burger King burgers taste better. But McDonald's has much better french fries.

 

[The SC]

Most? Not true. Only the southern sector. The 3 divisions and 60,000 of the 2nd Army were in the north of the bitter lakes was perfectly fine. They had their SAMs and by diverting some of them further south to northern Ismailiya, they could've protected the northern portion of the 3rd Army which could've also moved a bit north. The hypotheticals are endless. The point is, it wasn't a done deal and Israel withdrew in the end, not Egypt.



People assume the EAF was completely destroyed or just vanished in the air. It had successfully fended off the Israeli Air Force which was attacking its airfields in the delta to prevent it from attacking the Israeli divisions on the west. The EAF still had potential to inflict serious damage on the Israelis, not to mention several other armored options from the 4th Infantry division and elements of the 2nd Army if it had to or was forced to do it if the cease fire didn't take effect. It was by no means a safe situation for the Israelis, either. Hence why they really couldn't impact the 3rd Army in a disastrous way. What gave the impression of some Israeli victory was that the war ended on that note. No one knows how exactly things would've developed had the war continued. Bottom line, they withdrew and Egypt kept its gained territories = victory.



There's no denying that. Sadat should have listened to General Shazly who wanted to pull a few units from the 2nd Army to close off the corridor for the Israeli crossing before it was too late. Sadat (who wasn't a full fledged military commander) didn't want to give the impression that any of the armies were giving up territory on the east to defend the west and ignored the Israeli penetration. This is where the Egyptian army failed. The command structure was not left to the generals and Sadat had the final say. Fail.



When you put it that way! It was still a solid victory for Egypt. The outcome was indisputably obvious in Egypt's favor, so any twisting or excusing of that has no credence. Every one should now realize and know Egypt was the victor, hands down.

Sharon : " ... no one knew who was surrounding whom" talking about the 3rd army.. this says it all..

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Do you have anything to say, other than trolling or hiding behind pictures..?

 

[Hexciter]

Do you have anything to say, other than trolling or hiding behind pictures..?

I'm leaving your delucisions and hallucinations with you ! Good luck with your life!

 

[The SC]

This is one the reasons laziness...

Right Israelis also have way higher IQ and have great appreciation for education.... way more than the Arab world or Asian Subcontinent

Look at the subtitle of that video.. that alone contradicts your thoughts and opinions..
As for the higher IQ that depends on the context.. in the US Asians beat everyone in IQ tests.. so here you go with another false propaganda.. I bet there are at least 10 times more Arabs with great appreciation for education.. I can tell you that 90% of my childhood friends are Doctors, Engineers, Architects, University professors...etc

I'm leaving your delucisions and hallucinations with you ! Good luck with your life!

These words come from you, it tells how you feel buddy.. are you off heroin yet?

 

[C130]

I think this explains pretty well why Arabs/Muslims lose wars

 

[The SC]

“The umbrella that enters to the behind, cannot open” so it's a waste of time to try, that's why.

Oh! you tried that and it didn't work.. poor guy.. it must have hurt.. put some Vaseline next time..

I think this explains pretty well why Arabs/Muslims lose wars

OK, the US has all what it takes, so why it has lost the wars in Arab/Muslim Iraq and Muslim Afghanistan?
The Zionists could not swallow their defeat on the hands of Muslim Arabs although they were backed by the US.. so both are failures in real war.. Your video is called "Psychological warfare".. it does not affect Arabs or Muslims, because all they know is the facts on the ground..

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Non-Arab Muslims thinking their warfare capabilities are supreme yet their countries have not fought any major conventional opponent as Arab states did. And when any of these Non-Arab Muslim states fought a major conventional opponent did they win? If so, list them because they didn't.

Non-Arab Muslim states to who that applies

-Turkey
-Iran
-Pakistan

Name me any major conventional enemy they have fought and triumphed over in the days of modern warfare.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

Non-Arab Muslims thinking their warfare capabilities are supreme yet their countries have not fought any major conventional opponent as Arab states did. And when any of these Non-Arab Muslim states fought a major conventional opponent did they win? If so, list them because they didn't.

Non-Arab Muslim states to who that applies

-Turkey
-Iran
-Pakistan

Name me any major conventional enemy they have fought and triumphed over in the days of modern warfare.

Turkey: Cyprus invasion, Korean war and numerous peace keeping ops. Including incursions and invading Arabs in Syria and Iraq. Has not lost a conflict since its founding.

Pakistan: 3/4 major wars with India.

Iran: Also defeated Arabs in the Iran - Iraq war despite all odds.

Do you Arabs live on another planet?

All three nations would wipe the floor with any Arab army.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Most? Not true. Only the southern sector. The 3 divisions and 60,000 of the 2nd Army were in the north of the bitter lakes was perfectly fine. They had their SAMs and by diverting some of them further south to northern Ismailiya, they could've protected the northern portion of the 3rd Army which could've also moved a bit north. The hypotheticals are endless. The point is, it wasn't a done deal and Israel withdrew in the end, not Egypt.



People assume the EAF was completely destroyed or just vanished in the air. It had successfully fended off the Israeli Air Force which was attacking its airfields in the delta to prevent it from attacking the Israeli divisions on the west. The EAF still had potential to inflict serious damage on the Israelis, not to mention several other armored options from the 4th Infantry division and elements of the 2nd Army if it had to or was forced to do it if the cease fire didn't take effect. It was by no means a safe situation for the Israelis, either. Hence why they really couldn't impact the 3rd Army in a disastrous way. What gave the impression of some Israeli victory was that the war ended on that note. No one knows how exactly things would've developed had the war continued. Bottom line, they withdrew and Egypt kept its gained territories = victory.



There's no denying that. Sadat should have listened to General Shazly who wanted to pull a few units from the 2nd Army to close off the corridor for the Israeli crossing before it was too late. Sadat (who wasn't a full fledged military commander) didn't want to give the impression that any of the armies were giving up territory on the east to defend the west and ignored the Israeli penetration. This is where the Egyptian army failed. The command structure was not left to the generals and Sadat had the final say. Fail.



When you put it that way! It was still a solid victory for Egypt. The outcome was indisputably obvious in Egypt's favor, so any twisting or excusing of that has no credence. Every one should now realize and know Egypt was the victor, hands down.

The end result of the war, was that Egypt was prepared to make peace with Israel,
which is a major stategic win for Israel.

 

[bsruzm]

Do you Arabs live on another planet?

Make sure, some are but not all of them.

 

[The SC]

The end result of the war, was that Egypt was prepared to make peace with Israel,
which is a major stategic win for Israel.

It is the opposite.. you are twisting facts and reality.. Usrael didn't want to negotiate before the war and was literally forced to do so.. and give up the Sinai peninsula..

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Turkey: Cyprus invasion, Korean war and numerous peace keeping ops. Including incursions and invading Arabs in Syria and Iraq. Has not lost a conflict since its founding.

I said: Name me any major conventional enemy they have fought and triumphed over in the days of modern warfare. You named the Korean war, Cyprus invasion and peace keeping OPS.

Cyprus, you call that a major conventional opponent? That's like Iraq overrunning Kuwait.

Korean war which was just a contribution to a war led by Korean/US military, similar to the peace keeping operations. You failed to name any.

Pakistan: 3/4 major wars with India.

Which? What was won?

Iran: Also defeated Arabs in the Iran - Iraq war despite all odds.

In what sense? Iraq ended up having the largest military in the region, if the US wouldn't have stopped Saddam in taking Kuwait and consolidating more gains he would present an even bigger threat to Iran in the long run. It was a stalemate.

Do you Arabs live on another planet?

All three nations would wipe the floor with any Arab army

Yet lost many tanks lost in a small scale Syria operation against IS, an area which is not a major IS stronghold to start with.

Turkey has not faced a major conventional opponent in modern warfare. Iran would be a major conventional opponent for you, the US/Western powers. Yet all you can come with is Cyprus which equals to Iraq taking Kuwait, it's like an adult beating up a kid. You can't wipe any floor, okay.