Why is Iran upset with Pakistan?

[Maula Jatt]

And on that bombshell, it's time to end.

What do you mean?...
I didn't wanna be part of this shia, sunni bs he was trying shove it down my throat
It's annoying as
S****

 

[Great Janjua]

What do you mean?...

It means, Cutthroat, dump head inside boiling oil pan... Only jokes, It's a nice way of saying, Papa disappointed in you, Or Iran, Staying true to the topic at hand.

Am just confusing you, Aren't I?.

 

[imadul]

Same as how the Turkish or the Arabs are after their interests in the region Iran is doing the same thing. Very natural if you ask me.

Lasting success shall be with one who are on the side of Truth and Justice as much as they possibly can.
Worshipping petty interests drown nations into obscurity and death. USSR no more, USA declining power, China rising.
Iran would just not come off of ....
40 years after revolution what is Iran? A theocracy and a source of division and revenge.

 

[khansaheeb]

Leave poor sanctioned iran alone. We just need to complete the fencing on our borders. Better yet make it a high voltage electric fence so that indian spies dont enter ever again. Drone survellience would be good as well.

By the way eyeran is not important for us right now

Iran is a neighborly friendly state and no amount of Hindjew conspiratorial trolling is going to be able to break this relationship. We have great trade ahead and Pakistan and Iran are aligned for a peaceful and prosperous region.

 

[mqur1963]

Are you okay, son? Iran has not armed or funded Panjshir recently. Iran is the master of all proxy warfares, if it decides to do so no one will be able to stop Iran. The reason Iran ''abandonded'' Panjshir is because of the strategic understanding with Taliban (their leaders visited Iran frequently in the recent years).

one nuke will stop as pa ex general said iranian airforce is garbage and brother of iaf

 

[Adecypher]

Very interesting debate is going on here … and for some liberal elements in Iran are behind this “ho ha” and this should not be taken “so seriously” … some stated that Iran sees Taliban govt will eventually decrease their role (whatever it is) in Afghanistan … but IF that was the case WHY Iran did not activate it’s so called proxy expertise against Taliban when Taliban was swiftly taking over Afghanistan one City at a time … so this theory have some doubts … it might be possible that someone very close to Iran was eliminated by Taliban in Panjshir Valley offensive and that was NOT part of the script between Taliban and Iran … IMHO it is in the best interest of Iran to have some patience and wait for Taliban Govt to be accepted by the key regional players and so the fog of uncertainty goes away from security, social and power sharing perspective and then engage itself to be “a positive factor” in strengthening regional cooperation to be able to legitimize itself for the piece of the pie of the upcoming “economic progress” …

How hard (well it might be very hard for some in the Muslim world) it is to understand that any outstanding or protruding issues should be dealt among themselves in a peaceful manner without giving any room for the FARANGIS to poke their nose to implement their infamous “divide and conquer” policies against them …

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

Number of rumours going on but does any one know why Iran is upset with Pak on Afghan government?


Were they looking for more role in new IEA government?


Reliable sources have claimed that Pak and US have had a detailed discussion on this and Pak agreed to US that they wont let Iran take advantage of situation in Afghanistan. Pak through a third country ( ? China ? US) agreed with Israel for no role of Iran in new Afghan government. Not sure what will Pak get in return for these favours, however things have been agreed upon, we ll see them in coming months.


Iranian are not stupid, every thing in Iranian media is tightly monitored and regulated , we can't simply ignore as an individual's opinion when Ahmedinijad spoke to Indian TV ( ? Why he chose India Television is also a strong signal of unhappiness with Pak) . They know that as a mater of fact that Pakistan had no role in Panjshir events. Also Iran has no sympathy with resistance, if they were sympathetic they would have given asylum to leadership of resistance. Expect some senior Indian leadership travelling to Iran or vice versa, to send strong signals to Pakistan.

There is defiantly something else going on .


Any sane opinions please?

Clown Ahmedinajad joining Indian fake media line does not benefit Iran Does Iranian are foolish to believe fake reports lecturing Pakistan not to interfere in Afghanistan While Iran own history is full of interference in other countries Iraq Syria Lebanon Yemen and even Afghanistan are some examples

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

And how do you Translate Pakistani providing airspace for Americans to bomb Taliban after all? Pakistanis must be a Shia majority, are they?

How you translate sporting America by your proxies in Afghanistan and Iraq to capture these countries

 

[Cookie Monster]

Funny how you left out WHY Iran is in Syria. Why don't you criticize your fellow headchopping friends who were in Syria on CIA orders?

I'm not interested in an Iran vs Pakistan proxy comparison or any sort of d*ck measuring for that matter...so if u want to engage in a debate...keep it as such...see below...

You are free to pick up a map of the Middle East and point at the places where we are not active. Pakistan is active in only one barren wasteland aka Afghanistan and can direct all her resources to that cause. Iran is in many other theatres.

As other members here have pointed out...what exactly is the use of all these proxies Iran is backing in multiple middle eastern countries? Is it accomplishing anything other than bloodshed and miserable lives for ppl? They are Muslims predominantly(whatever sect...doesn't matter) and even if not Muslims...ppl are just ppl. They deserve a chance at life...security...livelihood...the same as u and I.

If u r gonna make the argument of "national security"...then plz back it up accordingly with proper reasoning. In case of Pakistan backing proxies in Afghanistan...
...the whole civil war, bloodshed stuff applies there too...but at least u can see the "national security" reasoning there. During the times of propping up Mujahideen...there was a pro Soviet(and anti Pak) Afghan government at first and then Soviet Union(Soviet Union and Pakistan being on opposite sides) itself came to Afghanistan(militarily). So with India on one side...and a hostile Afghanistan on the other...being engaged on two fronts...it became a matter of survival.
Similar situation occurred after the US invasion of Afghanistan and under the puppet Afghan government...India started to fund anti Pak elements...with a porous open border...Pak suffered heavily at the hands of these Indian sponsored proxies operating out of Afghanistan. So it became necessary to arm/support the opposing force and again secure Pakistan's western front.

In both cases u see a clear goal...and steps taken to achieve that goal...which fits within the umbrella of "national security".

Now let's look at Iran's backed proxies. What do they hope to gain in Iraq? A pro Iran government? What then? How terrible would it be if Iran didn't support proxies in Iraq? Worst case scenario...there comes an anti Iran government in Iraq? Is it really a threat to Iran? Iraq of today doesn't compare to what it once was or had the potential to be...it is a mere shadow of its former self when it comes to its economy and military prowess. It does not present a threat to Iran...at this time.

In Syria...what does Iran hope to gain? The only thing I can see would be to support anti Israel proxies? So they can strike at Israel...while staying outside Israeli borders(in neighboring Syria)? I don't see any other goal that may align with Iran...so why play a role in destabilizing it? U can support anti Israel proxies in a stable Syria as well.

What about Yemen? Even if it became pro Saudi...so what? It poses no threat to Iran.

All this senseless chaos and bloodshed...when it doesn't even pose an existential threat to u as a nation...
...how is it any different than what US does? Or what the Soviet Union did? Just vying for some hegemony?
@925boy @Muhammed45

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Ofcourse I am not serious, you literally have a leader called "supreme leader", its another Taliban show. What a joke. Can you imagine hundreds of years ago we would have to take these folk seriously, they struggle to be normal.

In Farsi Ayatollah Khamenei's title is simply "LEADER''. "Supreme leader" is only used by foreign English language sources.

Iran can trade too but I don't understand why they think its okay for their media to be insensitive. Its not okay, get that black book out and write it in, there are scores to settle and "relationships" to recalibrate.

The media in Iran is not all state controlled as you might think. The Media that you speak of is from the "Reformist" camp and are trying to get Iran's conservative government to get involved militarily against the Taliban but the Conservative's who just recently took power have no interest in getting suckered into starting a conflict in Afghanistan and instead have been in diplomatic contact with the Taliban to resolve issues peacefully.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Iran is upset because now recruitment is not possible anymore from Afghanistan to kill Syrian children.

If you knew anything at all which you don't, you would know that the recruits that formed the Fatemiyoun Brigade came from the 3 million Afghan refugees living in Iran. Iran did not have good relations with the U.S stooge Ashraf government and was certainly not recruiting Afghans directly from Afghanistan as you are try to claim!

This is probably the root of their grievance, they were getting quite a few cannon fodders with Afghanistan. In some cases people knew the situation but poverty makes you do things.

There are no shortages of Afghans fleeing into Iran at the moment so if you think for a minute that Iran has no access to Afghan fighters then you have no clue what you are talking about. All the Afghan Fatemeyoun Brigade fighters that Iran had sent to fight in Syria were recruited from the 3 million + Afghans living in Iran!

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Iran On Pakistan Panjshir Attack: Iran Ex President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Warns Pakistan Will Face Consequences In Panjshir Afghanistan
Link here

Ahmadinejad has been sounding like a complete liberal lately. No one in Iran's government takes him seriously anymore. He was even barred from running in the last presidential Elections this summer!

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Iran supported Armenia against Azerbaijan. IRI doesnt even care about Shiittism. They only use shiite to enrich themselves. look at the wives/daughters of these ayatollahs in the west and you will get my point....

What good are those "Shia" in Azerbaijan to us when they are best friends with the Zionists? During the 1st war between Armenia and Azerbaijan in the early 90s, we sent troops to defend Azerbaijan against the Armenians. Azerbaijan then rewarded us by throwing us( their Shia bredrin) under the bus to please their Israeli buddies. We learnt our lesson then and we further learned that Armenians are better friends to us than the Azerbaijanians ever were. At least the Armenians are not laying claim to our territory unlike Azerbaijan!!!

 

[IceCold]

Some one, somewhere will always be upset.........who cares

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Talking big is easy when you only have to kill kids in Syria with Russian Airpower.

Can't replicate the same actions against Taliban because big daddy is backing them and would intervene.

Can't replicate the same actions to save Kashmiri Shias because unlike Syria , India is a major power.

These Iranian criminals can only act tough while killing innocent civilians that too with the support of Russian military power.

Have they done anything against Israel that have regularly killed their top scientists and US that killed its top IRCG general ? No . Nothing.

So Iran only killed Children in Syria right? Iran never fought against Daesh or Al Nusra or any of the other Al Qaida affiliated extremist groups in Syria right? Just children. huh? WOW how I wish I had known this earlier!!!

man all this seems massively overblown for sectarian reasons. this is just one or two statements by former officeholders and Iranian members themselves have clarified multiple times. but some Pakistan memebers seem to want to drag Iran for sectarian reasons, that is obvious. KaisarX seems to personally dislike Shias and Iran specifically, more for religious reasons and less for anything geostrategic related to Pakistan. and what does India have to do? only a previous officerholder has mentioned India. India-Iran relations aren't even that high anymore.

In the mind of these Idiots we are working directly for you, LOL!!! They are going to see my response here to you as some kind of evidence that Iran is secretly conspiring against them with India! What these idiots fail to understand is that the more they push Iran via their sectarian hatred towards India. Lucky for them their Governments are ruled by level headed men who understand that it is not in Pakistan's interest to find its self between two enemy states!