Why is India Reviving Insurgency in Balochistan?

[Mentee]

Such ignorance from government is forcing balochistan to take offshore help from India , afghanistan or European states which makes our pakistani fellows upset later

What makes you think that Baluchistan would survive in its present state if it ever got " freedom" ?

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

I live near Baluchistan . they insurgency is dead long ago.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

We should start supporting Khalistan & Nagaland . (militarily)

 

[RealNapster]

They all have been demanding their legitimate share according to pakistan constitution

what share ? quote sections from constitution here. i will answer one by one.

Since 2004 1,000 bodies were found from balochistan.

and no one was from separatist groups prove that. Prove that no one was from BLA, BRa, BLF. when government do not act against those who kill Police man, FC man, and blow up Pipe lines.. You guyz are like "why is not government acting against them"...

and when government go after them. then you guyz say "why government have to kill them".. ajeeb bat hay..

Hamid Mir once in an interview asked Gen.Parvez Musharaf that "why are not you acting agains LaL-masjid ? a state inside state ??""

He answered that " i will act against them but then it will be you who will shout against that operation".

Hamid Mir ashore him that i won't do that.

But when Gen.Pervaiz Musharaf acted against LaL masjid. You should have seen the reaction of Hamid mir.

You are just acting like Hamid mir.

I'm not here lifting the blame from provincial govt . Provincial govt of balochistan only consisted of bunch of incompetents who made us feel that they care zero about the province and us and they'll do what they're ordered by islamabad, our needs doesn't matter.

Are you Insane ? Provinces do not ask federal for "where should we built universities, colleges, and hospitals ?". or should we spent this money on other things ? or we don't even have to spent that money ????

and you think Federal answer them that "No NO.. don't spent this money on poor people of Baluchistan. instead, save it for your children's." .right ? You are such a moron.

For a change. You agree that Provincial government is composed of as***les. so why not bring a change this time ? elect new faces from baluchistan na.

 

[Peshwa]

71 was 1st battle of Tarain, Sultan Mummad Gouri was defeated by pirthiviraj chauhan.
In the 2nd battle of Tarain, forces of prithiviraj chauhan were routed and annihilated by Sultan Muhammad Gouri. pithiviraj was killed in the battle. He was however a brave king not a coward and hyena like indians of today.

HAHA...Nice!
One small correction. In this modern day version, Ghauri lost Tarain forever. So there will be no more "Battle of Tarain"

 

[Mentee]

No one's talking about freedom.

What do yuu want then ? Provincial autonomy has already been given since the last 7 years and what have these sardars achieved so far except making shit load of $$$ for their sorry excuse of an existence

 

[Hell hound]

No , I'm not here lifting the blame from provincial govt . Provincial govt of balochistan only consisted of bunch of incompetents who made us feel that they care zero about the province and us and they'll do what they're ordered by islamabad, our needs doesn't matter.

after 18 amendment power is transferred to the provinces.so don't blame the fedral goverment .
islamabad is not responsible if you guys yourself chose the worthless politicians to lead you

 

[imadul]

HAHA...Nice!
One small correction. In this modern day version, Ghauri lost Tarain forever. So there will be no more "Battle of Tarain"

You will be doing lot more corrections , my friend.

 

[RealNapster]

@I cried silently . As you have the personal experience. so you can help in this issue. and the issue is



490 soldiers, 3,500 militants killed in Operation Zarb-e-Azb so far: DG ISPR

https://tribune.com.pk/story/112335...nference-afghanistan-pakistan-border-clashes/

Now tell me to whom should i cry and how ? as in Baluchistan you have witnessed 1000 dead bodies in 12 years. but in KP we have witnessed 3500 dead bodies and even that in last 2 years only. so what if they were all terrorists. but a dead body is a dead body. right ?

So please help me. i wan't to bring awarness among those who are killing our "innocent terrorists" and also deprived us of our resources. remember electricity royalties.

 

[RealNapster]

Please don't quote me .
You're one bonga person with no intelligence . I don't want to argue with you and waste my time so .. Yawn.

Counter me with logic's, Statistics and that "constitution" which you were talking about in previous comment. and if you can't . then trust me "you" are a bhonga person and not me.

can you back your statement "ever" with some statistics, ? if yes. i am waiting.

 

[Indika]

When pakistan complains about terrorism the world listens with its butt. After all arent they practitioners of that art? Hosting a terrorist like hafiz saeed released from plane hijacking adds more credibility to the accusation. It is a insurgency aka local uprising and India has no borders with balochistan as such pakistan should stop these nonsense statements.

 

[Hareeb]

People here have genuine grievances and our dealing is far from ideal . They all have been demanding their legitimate share according to pakistan constitution but Pakistan dealt them with force which further exploited situation with interference of india and afghanistan. India tends to think that people here will be accompanying india but it's no true . India's involvement has only made our reputation bad to pakistan.

Bhai what kind of share really are you talking about? They already have more share in NFC award as compared to population and onwership of Reko Diq too. They have finances but their elected leadership is incompetent. Who's to blame for their selection? Ofcourse the ones those select them.
And state used forced against the insurgents those rose arms against her writ, and everywhere in the world when you rise arms against state--Irrespective of who ever is on your back, you are prone to death.

What made them rebellion ? Since 2004 1,000 bodies were found from balochistan. They've very genuine questions and grievances regarding these bodies but they can't demand justice for their beloved ones who've been either killed by the forces or abducted because it questions pakistan's sovereignty.

As for missing persons issue: Go to Afghanistan and you will find them living in terror camps.

Unrealistic Approach about Missing Persons
Written by:Sajjad Shaukat

While anti-Pakistan foreign elements have accelerated their conspiracy against Pakistan to complete their hidden agenda by supporting subversive attacks inside the country through their affiliated militant groups, especially the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), but by showing unrealistic approach, Pakistan’s NGOs, human rights organisations and media started a deliberate campaign against country’s law-enforcing agencies, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Pak Army about the missing persons.

Without taking cognisance of the ground realties, these internal entities follow the blame game of Indo-Israeli lobbies which are well-penetrated in US-led European NGOs, human rights organisations and media which have been implicating Pak Army and ISI for extrajudicial killings and forced abductions which resulted in the disappeared persons.

While, fact of the matter is that majority of the missing persons have been killed in bomb blasts, target killings, ethnic and sectarian violence in various places of Pakistan, arranged by American CIA, Indian RAW and Israeli Mossad and their supported militants outfits, particularly TTP. In case of Balochistan, everyone knows that Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) and another group, Jundollah (God’s soldiers) which have been fighting for secession of the province gets logistic support from CIA and RAW. Their militants kidnapped and killed many innocent people and the security personnel in the province, while claiming responsibility in this respect. And since 2001, a majority of Pakistanis also left for Afghanistan for Jehad purposes, without informing their families, while many people joined the Jahadi groups.

Besides, terrorist outfits pay huge amounts to their recruits to sustain their families. Families do not reveal when people join terrorist camps. Hence, there is a need to properly investigate reality behind the missing persons. However, exact number of the disappeared persons is also not known—some say that they are 14000, while others claim 18000 people.

It is a challenge for the whole nation that various terrorist organisations like TTP BLA, Jundollah, Lashkar-i-Janghvi, Lashkar-e-Islam, Sipah-i-Sahaba and some similar organisations feel pride in murdering the innocent people and killing the personnel of the security forces. These culprits are free to move inside the country.

On the one side, Pak Army is engaged in tribal areas in coping with the external-backed terrorists, on the other, due to the pre-information of the ISI, Pakistan’s law-enforcing and security agencies have thwarted many terror attempts of the insurgents through pre-arrests, discovery of weapons and huge explosive material, suicide jackets etc. For example, regarding recent terror-attacks of the TTP on the Central Prison in Dera Ismail Khan, ISI had provided information about the date and process of assault, but the concerned authorities did not take pre-cautious measures. Therefore, insurgents succeeded in freeing 200 prisoners, majority of whom was terrorists.

Despite the continued efforts of the security forces and intelligence outfits, terrorists keeps on targeting the installations of security agencies and police including government buildings through acts of sabotage. While fighting this different war, several personal of the Pak Army, ISI and police have sacrificed their lives for the integrity of the country.

But misperceptions of our own NGOs and media have projected the case of missing persons in a biased manner, with total disregard to ongoing war against terrorism. This creates an impression that Pakistan’s internal entities are not supporting the national cause to fight the terrorists. Instead, they are creating impediments in this respect, and so is the case of Judiciary. Resultantly, frightening thoughts and confusion have permeated into the ranks and files of law-enforcing and intelligence agencies thereby, negatively influencing their performance. Thus, investigations by these agencies and ISI are being hampered by media and internal entities.

No doubt, Pakistan’s law-enforcing agencies and intelligence organisations which are well-prepared in coping with terrorism are engaged in identifying and locating the terrorist networks and their support-bases including informers and accomplices, but were discouraged as their actions were being challenged through courts of law regarding the validity and legality of their decisions. The insurgents’ lawyers availed the opportunity by indicating procedural penal flaws. Thus many terrorists were freed by the courts due to lack of solid evidence in legal terms, though reality of their subversive activities existed. Owing to this practice, efficiency of law-enforcing agencies drops to zero level, giving a greater setback to war against terrorism and making the concerned official insecure in face of judicial grilling.

Terrorist presently under custody, if released by the court because of judicial discourse will certainly join their main terrorist networks, thereby strengthening terrorist groups. Consequently, this ‘new style war’ will turn in favor of terrorists instead of law-enforcing and intelligence agencies which may suffer more in the hands of terrorists.

In this context, Pakistan’s media must recommend to the legislative and law-making authorities to change the complex procedures and evidence-related issues, and to make new laws against terrorists in order to provide the legal cover to law-enforcing and intelligence agencies which are fighting the menace of terrorism. For this purpose, the concerned agencies should be allowed to detain the certain suspected individuals so that the intensity and frequency of occurrence of terrorist activities could be reduced.

While fighting against the militants, Pakistan’s security forces and intelligence agencies require maintaining high degree of morale and confidence. In this context, our media and other entities should appreciate the sacrifices and services of country’s security forces and agencies in their fight against terrorism.

Another hurdle in war against terrorism is that by misconception of Islam, terrorist groups manipulate the feelings of innocent Muslims who are naturally prone to favor the cause of Muslims. Hence, they become targets of terrorists’ propaganda who project their unfair designs in the name of Jihad, and undertake criminal activities of terrorism, inflicting serious loss of innocent lives and damaging property. The militant outfits also recruit very young boys, and after their brainwashing through indoctrination, they train them for suicide bombings. The planners misguide these Muslims by convincing that they will have a noble place in the Heavens in exchange of suicide attacks.

In this regard, in the recent past, several Islamic scholars (Ulemas) have issued a joint fatwa (edict), and unanimously declared: “killing of innocent people, target killings and suicide bombings…in Karachi, Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa along with sectarianism as against the spirit of Islam.” They added that those involved in the killing of innocent people are condemned to hell. Their Fatwa also declared, “The suicides attacks and related violence smeared the name of Islam and weakened Pakistan.

Nevertheless, our Ulemas must clarify that Islam considers killing one innocent person equal to murdering the entire humanity, while jihad is a sacred obligation, but its real spirit needs to be understood clearly, as targeting innocent women and children through subversive acts is not jihad. These Taliban and their banned-affiliated groups are defaming Islam which is the religion of peace, democracy, moderation and human rights.

Notably, terrorists have changed their tactics and have made nexus with criminal elements. They frequently indulge in criminal activities including kidnapping for ransom, looting, land grabbing, robbery, and collection of illegal taxes. Some of the missing persons have been abducted by the terrorist outfits to make money.

Now, people from all segment of life and majority of politicians including general masses want that a handful of terrorist elements must not be allowed to dictate their agenda and to impose their self-interpreted ideology in the country.

Taking note of intensity of terror-assaults, we cannot leave it to law-enforcing agencies; ISI and security forces alone to fight and win this new style war. It has to be fought collectively by the entire nation. Hence, government, media, courts and civil society must develop consensus to put up a collective response against terrorism. Blame game against security agencies, especially ISI by media and ruthless chasing by courts will simply weaken our cause and terrorists will get encouraged. So, instead of showing unrealistic approach about security forces and ISI in relation to terrorism-phenomenon and the missing persons, our internal entities must follow ground realities, as it is a war in which offence knows its target, but defence does not know.

Nonetheless, this is the right hour for the nation to practically cooperate with the security agencies to encounter terrorism.

Sajjad Shaukat writes on international affairs and is author of the book: US vs Islamic Militants, Invisible Balance of Power: Dangerous Shift in International Relations

One brigeudier in balochistan who belonged to army looted 13 arab but no one questions him because it's reputation of army .

Its the government's responsibility to force laws on person. They dont do because they are equal incompetent and corrupt to core.

No , I'm not here lifting the blame from provincial govt . Provincial govt of balochistan only consisted of bunch of incompetents who made us feel that they care zero about the province and us and they'll do what they're ordered by islamabad, our needs doesn't matter.

The fact about federal is that federal has also violated the article of pakistan constitution by depriving baloch of their own resources but we're not allowed to question federal because it questions pakistan's sovereignty.

I'm banned from that account to comment here .so replied u from this .

Why? Are they so incompetent to do a single task on their own? If so, they why do you people elect them? Why do you blame federal govt. for the poor vision of your elected provisional members? Will you blame the corruption of your politicians and bureaucrats on federal government as well? --And you are paid for your services. Punjab pays for the gas she purchases from other provinces and there is nothing as a free lunch.

 

[MultaniGuy]

LOL, what Insurgency?

Excellent point there is no insurgency in Balochistan.

Balochis are among the most patriotic Pakistanis I have ever met.
We are building a large port in Gwadar for them as well.
Insh'Allah the port will improve Balochistan's economy.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Bro, there's a tragedy and a massacre at home . Pakistanis should first resolve this matter of balochistan. No one in political shield has ever taken sincere steps to solve it . All they use is force and given it to military .

Baloch problem is a political problem, they want control over their resources to be used for development of their province rather than spent on other provinces ignoring balochistan. Our leadership has no time for this grave issue .
Such ignorance from government is forcing balochistan to take offshore help from India , afghanistan or European states which makes our pakistani fellows upset later.

Road to hell is paved with good intentions. "Outside" help usually results in much worse situation. Look at BD. All of their rivers are blocked and water taken away by India, which will result in an unprecedented ecological disaster. Pak folks should try their best to solve the problems internally - even it means great sacrifices for the majority. Having said that if someone turns out to be a proxy he should be immediately taken out. Being proxy means selling souls to Sheytan..

 

[MultaniGuy]

Balouchistan is an integral part of Pakistan, just like Punjab, Sindh and KPK. Paid dog like Brahamdagh Bugti is on the payroll of Iran and India. Balouch people are very brave and patriotic people. The reason why he is in selfexile is because if he returns to Balouchistan, he'll be killed by a Balouch for what he has been saying. I know many Balouch tribes, they are extremely loyal. You say one word against Pakistan, they'll serve your head from body in a blink of an eye.

I heard bugti was slaughtered by Musharraf.
Bugti is long dead.