Why is great philosopher Kautilya not part of Pakistan’s historical consciousness?

[django]

The concept of a nation state as referred to by you is very new when measured against the continuum of ancient civilizations like the Indian, Chinese, Persian and Egyptian ones. All of these today are represented by successor nation states. India, China, Iran and Egypt. No one challenges that.

You guys need to find a narrative that bolsters your identity. Not try and cut ours down.

Because you cannot. And it lessens your credibility as an independent entity in the doing of it.

Cheers, Doc

Ahh your civilization is the Ganga region, ours is the Indus region, historically, culturally, linguistically and ethnically separate regions, and indeed we are the successor nation of the Indus as you are of the Ganga.Kudos....So I suggest your new mataram should be "Gangadesh mata ki jai"....Kudos doc

 

[AshishDelhi]

But I think you people also became selective to take heritage since India only accepted Chanakiya's philosophies while neglect non-violance kautilya's thoughts.

What does it mean...chanakyas philosophy and kautilyas thoughts

 

[Yerusalem 4880 Kms]

I didn't say "bcz he was Hindu"'
BTW who was he if he was not Hindu??

At that time I can guess there are lot of different philosophies which later eaten alive by Hindus by adopting and intruding some of their ideologies, you can feel the traces even today but Islam is the only religion which refuses this concept and Muslim of subcontinent develop two nations theory.

 

[django]

Bhai article to padh leta pehle

Ahh the Mauryans, from a historical perspective they had their day in the sun for a very brief, brief period of history, they could not handle the Kushans, ancestors of todays prominent Punjabi tribes.

 

[padamchen]

Ahh your civilization is the Ganga region, ours is the Indus region, historically, culturally, linguistically and ethnically separate regions, and indeed we are the successor nation of the Indus as you are of the Ganga.Kudos....So I suggest your new mataram should be "Gangadesh mata ki jai"....Kudos doc

Pakistan will need to quickly or eventually come to grips with the fact that India is an ancient entity known and accepted by the world as an ancient civilization.

Pakistan will also eventually or quickly need to acknowledge and accept that the world will always associate India with Hindu.

Pakistan will have to create a narrative and identity for herself which eventually grows in global perception and brand recall.

As something new and unique that is different on its own.

You will always come out second best if you butt heads with ancient India.

Because your narrative of the Indus Valley Civilization being solely yours has no takers beyond the boundaries of your fledgling nation state.

A state with no history of its own separate from that of India, the civilization.

Cheers, Doc

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan will need to quickly or eventually come to grips with the fact that India is an ancient entity known and accepted by the world as an ancient civilization.

Pakistan will also eventually or quickly need to acknowledge and accept that the world will always associate India with Hindu.

Pakistan will have to create a narrative and identity for herself which eventually grown in global perception and brand recall.

As something new and unique that is different on its own.

You will always come out second best if you butt heads with ancient India.

Because your narrative of the Indus Valley Civilization being solely yours has no takers beyond the boundaries of your fledgling nation state.

A state with no history of its own separate from that of India, the civilization.

Cheers, Doc

How old are you again?

 

[padamchen]

How old are you again?

Old enough to recognize an old soul when I see one.

Kudos, Doc

 

[El Sidd]

Old enough to recognize an old soul when I see one.

Kudos, Doc

Then you already know my answer.

 

[django]

Pakistan will need to quickly or eventually come to grips with the fact that India is an ancient entity known and accepted by the world as an ancient civilization.

Pakistan will also eventually or quickly need to acknowledge and accept that the world will always associate India with Hindu.

Pakistan will have to create a narrative and identity for herself which eventually grown in global perception and brand recall.

As something new and unique that is different on its own.

You will always come out second best if you butt heads with ancient India.

Because your narrative of the Indus Valley Civilization being solely yours has no takers beyond the boundaries of your fledgling nation state.

A state with no history of its own separate from that of India, the civilization.

Cheers, Doc

Even the name of your bogus nation is a lie, why not appropriate Gangadesh to it, are you ashamed of your Ganga heritage???? the reason you folks are known as Indians is the British referred to you Ganga Dravids as Indians, if the Brits would not have made their way into this vast and historically most diverse region, you and the world would find the word Indian alien to your Ganga lands, for heaven sake man even during British rule, folks from Bihar and other Ganga lands were given extra pay to serve in the Indus territories as they were considered foreign lands by Gangadeshis.Kudos doc

Gangadesh mata ki jai

 

[padamchen]

Then you already know my answer.

To your own question?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Yerusalem 4880 Kms]

Old enough to recognize an old soul when I see one.

Kudos, Doc

Doc As I suspect you are Parsi and see how cleverly Hindus eaten your religion alive and you people have to accept suicidal path by accepting terms not to spread your religion and now Parsis on verge to extinct.

Whats you take on that.

Cheers

Businessman
(It is necessary to promote your profession?)

 

[El Sidd]

To your own question?

Cheers, Doc

To the question how India Constitutionally oppresses Hindus.

Which it has been since its inception.

 

[padamchen]

Even the name of your bogus nation is a lie, why not appropriate Gangadesh to it, are you ashamed of your Ganga heritage???? the reason you folks are known as Indians is the British referred to you Ganga Dravids as Indians, if the Brits would not have made their way into this vast and historically most diverse region, you and the world would find the word Indian alien to your Ganga lands, for heaven sake man even during British rule, folks from Bihar and other Ganga lands were given extra pay to serve in the Indus territories as they were considered foreign lands by Gangadeshis.Kudos doc

Gangadesh mata ki jai

Nothing much to add except for the fact that your nation was carved out in 47 on the basis of two large contiguous and isolated areas of Muslim dense populace.

The narrative post that will require quite some ingenuity and work, and some global strong collective mind numbing to actually see a change from that single fact.

Cheers, Doc

Doc As I suspect you are Parsi and see how cleverly Hindus eaten your religion alive and you people have to accept suicidal path by accepting terms not to spread your religion and now Parsis on verge to extinct.

Whats you take on that.

Cheers

Businessman
(It is necessary to promote your profession?)

Lol pls man

You do not want to know the real reason.

Would not be terribly PC to the populace as a whole (but fact all the same, based deeply in ancient tenets of their faith linked to blood) ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[Loft38]

Even the name of your bogus nation is a lie, why not appropriate Gangadesh to it, are you ashamed of your Ganga heritage???? the reason you folks are known as Indians is the British referred to you Ganga Dravids as Indians, if the Brits would not have made their way into this vast and historically most diverse region, you and the world would find the word Indian alien to your Ganga lands, for heaven sake man even during British rule, folks from Bihar and other Ganga lands were given extra pay to serve in the Indus territories as they were considered foreign lands by Gangadeshis.Kudos doc

Gangadesh mata ki jai

Your arguments are very childish, naive, utterly lack of education, and laughable when I read how well doc has presented his arguments.

@padamchen your intellect doesn't suit engaging in debate with the above poster.

Your well wisher,

Cheers

 

[Yerusalem 4880 Kms]

Doc when we all started debating this you really impress me your Parsi intellect but know after few pages of this thread you suddenly became a typical Indian in Khaki Chadi man that should not be your standard, don't stoop to that level.

Respect for your earlier posts.