Why is great philosopher Kautilya not part of Pakistan’s historical consciousness?

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

"House of many civlizations". Good summary. Paks are also decendants of "many peoples" one strand was what you might call proto-Hindus because Hinduism as it exists today is relatively new concept.

But bear in mind there never as no such thing as "Hindu" people but a polyglot of peoples with similar belief systems. So a proto- Hindu from Charsadda in 200CE was entirely differant person to a proto-Hindu from Chennai in 200CE.

Thinking they were same is like assuming a Ethopian Christian from 500CE was exactly same as Christian from Rome in 500CE. They were entirely differant peoples but with some shared aspects of their belief system.

I would add that the Arabic/Semite component in Pak population is very, very low with some presence in Sindh/Mekran coast. Rest of the population is effectively native evolved and is product of the vortex of genetic mixture that has played out in the Indus rgion over the last 10,000 years.

And when I say "native" I don't mean it is same as rest of South Asia. Differant mixtures have played out in differant regions of South Asia and produced local variations that are unique to each region but also share common roots.

This is similiar to other parts of the world. Japanese, Filipinos, Indonesians, Malays have similarities but at the same time there are differances. Same in Europe where there is gradual change from the north (Norway) to south (Greece) or south west (Spain).

Therefore it is important we recognize differances but at the same time accept the similarities.

Ya , I accept. Only Muslims are same as they were in 6th century, you cave man.
Other are progressive.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Most of the Western world become so exposed to the notion of British Indian colony as a single entity during the pre 1947 colonial era that the world regards India as just one entity. This can be seen in how many can't understand why the Radcliffe Line between India/Pakistan. Indeed why even the partition. Even the use of the word partition suggest a un-natural division. it's like dividind a horse into two by slicing it in half. This is so because British India become branded as one entity under British rule.

Even educated Westerners struggle to accept the Radcliffe Line. This is bizarre because there are dozens of far, far, far, far more un-natural lines dividing peoples that the same Westerners are entirely cool with. I was discussing this with @Solomon2 yesterday about his America and Canada. He failed to explain why there is the "Derby Line" running through North America creating Canada and USA. It separates John/Janet from John/Janet who both are Christian, speak English and can trace their roots to England yet they are two distinct countries. Nobody questions that as "artificial".

I strongly suggest Paks watch this video about the farce that is the US/Canadian border. A straight line drawn with a ruler. Which separates what. One bunch of English settlers from another bunch of English settlers. Let's play a game to see what is differance between Canadian/American religion, language, culture, food etc

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

He was not Hindu also.

I didn't say "bcz he was Hindu"'
BTW who was he if he was not Hindu??

 

[Pakistani E]

Because our national narrative is based on being "Citadel of faith", and not Citadel of knowledge.

When I can be content and have no identity crises as a Muslim while accepting my Hindu/Buddhist ancestors, why can't other Pakistanis who still cling on to myths of being Abbasi, Umayyads etc do the same?

Arabs still remember their pre-islamic prominent personalities and celebrate them, while we are taught by our religious clergy that being a Hindu/non muslim is unclean etc and how brave were the Central Asian and Persian looters who destroyed and butchered our ancestors and desecrated religious places of worship, no wonder why we see so many Pakistanis here and other places making fun of Hindus whenever India is mentioned, forgetting not only that there are millions of patriotic Pakistani Hindus, but also, more than likely, their ancestors themselves were Hindus*

Seriously confused people, trying to adapt a foreign narrative. Just be content with what you are today and teach your true history instead of inventing fake family trees and origin myths.

* I know Hindusim is a syncretism of different faiths, philosophies etc.

 

[padamchen]

Because our national narrative is based on being "Citadel of faith", and not Citadel of knowledge.

When I can be content and have no identity crises as a Muslim while accepting my Hindu/Buddhist ancestors, why can't other Pakistanis who still cling on to myths of being Abbasi, Umayyads etc do the same?

Arabs still remember their pre-islamic prominent personalities and celebrate them, while we are taught by our religious clergy that being a Hindu/non muslim is unclean etc and how brave were the Central Asian and Persian looters who destroyed and butchered our ancestors and desecrated religious places of worship, no wonder why we see so many Pakistanis here and other places making fun of Hindus whenever India is mentioned, forgetting not only that there are millions of patriotic Pakistani Hindus, but also, more than likely, their ancestors themselves were Hindus*

Seriously confused people, trying to adapt a foreign narrative. Just be content with what you are today and teach your true history instead of inventing fake family trees and origin myths.

* I know Hindusim is a syncretism of different faiths, philosophies etc.

Well said. That's twice in two days, separated by one night.

Kudos, Doc

 

[Kal Muah]

He was not Hindu also.

He was a brahman.

 

[Yerusalem 4880 Kms]

He was a brahman.

You have his birth certificate ?

 

[Kal Muah]

You have his birth certificate ?

Since hindu system is divided on the basis of caste, Brahman - the knowledgeable, Kshatriya - the warrior, Vashiya - Merchant Shudra - carpenter, servants etc. Without being born in a brahman family it would have been extremely difficult for chanakya to join just a prestigious college like Takshila. Infact he is known as Acharya Chanakya for a reason. But i loved the ad hominems that you did
P.S His father name was Rishi Canak

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You have his birth certificate ?

Yes. I have the original. It proves he was Indian. He was Brahmin. His parents were from Mumbai and Chennai.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes. I have the original. It proves he was Indian. He was Brahmin. His parents were from Mumbai and Chennai.

Asoka approves this

 

[FULL_METAL]

He was not Hindu also.

Yeah right, he was a Pastafarian

 

[django]

Such would have been difficult, if not impossible, were India to have been undivided, and Hindu-dominant still.

India was never an united nation and their is no such thing as Sanatan Dharam , even an intellectual like Nehru could not define it and neither the supreme court of India.

 

[padamchen]

India was never an united nation and their is no such thing as Sanatan Dharam , even an intellectual like Nehru could not define it and neither the supreme court of India.

The concept of a nation state as referred to by you is very new when measured against the continuum of ancient civilizations like the Indian, Chinese, Persian and Egyptian ones. All of these today are represented by successor nation states. India, China, Iran and Egypt. No one challenges that.

You guys need to find a narrative that bolsters your identity. Not try and cut ours down.

Because you cannot. And it lessens your credibility as an independent entity in the doing of it.

Cheers, Doc

 

[AshishDelhi]

India was never an united nation and their is no such thing as Sanatan Dharam , even an intellectual like Nehru could not define it and neither the supreme court of India.

Bhai article to padh leta pehle

 

[Yerusalem 4880 Kms]

Yes. I have the original. It proves he was Indian. He was Brahmin. His parents were from Mumbai and Chennai.

Lols Sir you nailed it.