Why is government forcing LCA down Indian Air Force's throat?

[knight11]

So many articles and from so many articles creation of so many threads


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There is one news agencies called Reuter. Most of the articles are sourced from Reuters . You just have to plant one in Reuters or AFP to get coverage first in all tier 2 newspapers and then to trigger "exclusive investigation" reports from tier 1 newspapers and channels. Everyone loves a good controversy, and the so called devense generalists could earn money to feed his children.

Lets see what our experts view on that

Retired Air Marshal M. Matheswaran, a former deputy chief of the Integrated Defence Staff, said the LCA was obsolete.

"It is a very short-range aircraft which has no relevance in today's war fighting scenarios. If you are trying to justify this as a replacement for follow-on Rafales, you are comparing apples with oranges."
He said the plane was at best a technology demonstrator on which Indian engineers could build the next series of aircraft, not something the air force could win a war with.

Now you know from where does the Desi media got the world OBSOLUTE.
But check what he want to say short-range aircraft -- Lca is point defence so whats the problem Janab
If you are trying to justify this as a replacement for follow-on Rafales -- Who is saying Rafale its the replacement of MIG -21
best a technology demonstrator -- Thats need to be checked for that check what about its shortfalls post IOC-2

1. Radar range problem -- Better with Mig -21bis thats what it is replacing
2. Short range -- Same as Mig 21 bison
3. No aeriel fuel probe -- Bison don't have either
4. STR less --- So Mig21 was the best anyway why in the light of HOBS like Python 5 and R-73.
5. No IOC no FOC no Induction -- when Jaguar served india for 1 decade with faulty navigational sensor, Mirrage 2000H joined IAF with 7 years without any missile only guns, Su30-MKI posted to Srilanka with Guns only wanted internal jammer, rwr, maw in LCA, question is does MKI have internal jammer, does it have MAW till now LOLZ
6. He said the plane was at best a technology demonstrator on which Indian engineers could build the next series of aircraft, not something the air force could win a war with. -- Our first attempt to build the fighter plane was H24 Marut and earlier on India did work on GNAT and probably was impressed with it, a small nimble, agile fighter but why LCA is smallest of any 4th gen fighter, thus creating so much problem in putting the stuff packed inside the fighter plane, its because it is build on the GNAT. And have the Designer not gone for the higher tech. implemented like FWB, FADEEC, Glass cockpit, composite structure the IAF would have scraped it into dustbin.

I am working on compiling all this bullshit in the form of project, will post duly when ready.

Does Ruag Aviation of Ruag Defense has credentials in manufacturing military aircrafts? I can find Do228NG, some small arms, land vehicles, training supports, etc., but no military aircraft. If they provide assembly lines for LCA, is this new business for them? Please share info if there is any.

Ruag Aviation is getting the airframe build by the Tata aerospace, then why not ask tata to build, because they have experience in C-F-C building of airframe.

 

[INDIAISM]

What ever ... indians here going to defend their LCA no matter even rejected by IAF multiple times or IAF does not have confidence on this LCA ..

Indians going to defend it and even try to proof it as more advance then JF17 and soon J11

They are acting like they know about LCA more than IAF

Ya that IAF also rejected F16IN which is superior to PAF's frontline fighter jet F16 Blk52....

 

[HariPrasad]

On which bases these idiots are saying that LCA is tied to Indian air force's thread when Indian airforce chief has said that LCA will meet our requirement.

 

[Leviza]

On which bases these idiots are saying that LCA is tied to Indian air force's thread when Indian airforce chief has said that LCA will meet our requirement.

when Indian airforce chief has said that LCA will meet our requirement

That is the part we are saying WILL and its NOT meeting YET

 

[HariPrasad]

That is the part we are saying WILL and its NOT meeting YET

How can IA chief say that before LCA is inducted in Indian air force? He is Indian Airforce chief. Whatver he speak make sense. He will not bluff like some others.

 

[Leviza]

How can IA chief say that before LCA is inducted in Indian air force? He is Indian Airforce chief. Whatver he speak make sense. He will not bluff like some others.

oh Prasad
i just quoted what you wrote .. with the word WILL which meant NOT YET .. so whats the issue and why butt hurt ???

 

[knight11]

On which bases these idiots are saying that LCA is tied to Indian air force's thread when Indian airforce chief has said that LCA will meet our requirement.

Because of the Magic word OBSOLUTE See my above post.

 

[HariPrasad]

oh Prasad
i just quoted what you wrote .. with the word WILL which meant NOT YET .. so whats the issue and why butt hurt ???

You are butt hurt and not me. I explained you why Will meet in not meet.

 

[knight11]

You are butt hurt and not me. I explained you why Will meet in not meet.

Hariprasad he is only correcting you that you have missed to type "will not" instead of "will"

 

[Haroon Syed]

May Allah bless us all with good health and long life to see this Tejas flying one day.

 

[knight11]

May Allah bless us all with good health and long life to see this Tejas flying one day.

Ameen where do you live in Pakistan, Lahore, Karachi, RawalPindi, or Fata !! May your Wish be fullfil when it fly over and you waving hand from your Madarsa.

 

[GURU DUTT]

On which bases these idiots are saying that LCA is tied to Indian air force's thread when Indian airforce chief has said that LCA will meet our requirement.

that is a basic pakistani tactik when you despite all your efforts are unable to force your enemy to stop making itself stronger and in prcess making you lookweak simpli make fun of it and by this they might loose there confidence but that aint happening and deu to utter fear of becoming obsolete themselfs and frustaion of watching the enemy getting stronger by each passing day what else they can do

even if as @Omega007 says AESA is not avilable and tejas onli manges to cut 500 KGs than 1000KGs as prescribed even then it has a very good and leathel radar , EW suite, wepons pakage and since its very light and compact with most of its body made owt of carbon composites its less prone to rigrus maintainence and feul efficient and we have all the capability to mass produce it LCA is gonna be a serous headache to PAF top brass in coming years and a problem that will continue to grow for them

as for air force for way too long they have had a joyride at expence of tax payers money and they know it

even a force of 120 tejas is more potent than equal numbers of Mig21s and mig27s combined and that even IAF is not denaying

thing in short is : pakistanies are realli scared of LCA tejas as it will open the gates for HAL /ARDE to go for a smooth ride to make AMCA for which they have no answer nor can they efford in near future

 

[Great Sachin]

LCA may a worst fighter plane but it is better than JF17....

 

[knight11]

that is a basic pakistani tactik when you despite all your efforts are unable to force your enemy to stop making itself stronger and in prcess making you lookweak simpli make fun of it and by this they might loose there confidence but that aint happening and deu to utter fear of becoming obsolete themselfs and frustaion of watching the enemy getting stronger by each passing day what else they can do

even if as @Omega007 says AESA is not avilable and tejas onli manges to cut 500 KGs than 1000KGs as prescribed even then it has a very good and leathel radar , EW suite, wepons pakage and since its very light and compact with most of its body made owt of carbon composites its less prone to rigrus maintainence and feul efficient and we have all the capability to mass produce it LCA is gonna be a serous headache to PAF top brass in coming years and a problem that will continue to grow for them

as for air force for way too long they have had a joyride at expence of tax payers money and they know it

even a force of 120 tejas is more potent than equal numbers of Mig21s and mig27s combined and that even IAF is not denaying

thing in short is : pakistanies are realli scared of LCA tejas as it will open the gates for HAL /ARDE to go for a smooth ride to make AMCA for which they have no answer nor can they efford in near future

LCA has finally reached a stage where it is being inducted into IAF in numbers to form at least 6 sqdrns. And it is technologically still relevant today. That is great achievement. Had designers not set highly ambitious and somewhat unrealistic target, it would not have been relevant today and could have been junked citing obsolescence. Now if IAF wanted just replacement of MIG21 then LCA with IOC-1 and 2 serve its requirement pretty well. No harm in adding extra frills but that should not move the goal post for ADA or HAL. HAL can easily be told to replace all MIG21 sqdrns with LCA and plan accordingly. Meanwhile ADA can work on cutting edge techs or may be some other agencies could also work on some tech which would not be easily available to other AFs and provide that extra edge and superiority over them

More importantly , it is giving a leg up for Aerospace Industrial complex to be built inside the country but only if we order more LCA.

 

[Omega007]

even if as @Omega007 says AESA is not avilable

I never said AESA wasn't available,What I said was that Uncle SAM might object to the Israeli decision to sell us the 2052 as it incorporates parts made in USA.But it's no longer may be the case.