Why Iran needs to fight Saudi Arabia to forge peace

[scythian500]

You lot screwed up Iraq when you alienated the Sunnis and created Shia theocracy there

Just wow... illiteracy to the full extent...

I wonder what iraqis here have to say about these WOW claims... @SALMAN F

 

[Fafnir]

Just wow... illiteracy to the full extent...

I wonder what iraqis here have to say about these WOW claims... @SALMAN F

You`re wasting your breath with these wahabists sub-humans and their sympathizers,sadly this thread seems to be full of them.

 

[scythian500]

Stopping this bloody f***** Takfiri non sense you moron. Where you lose the argument you lot come up with name calling and what not. Defeatist mind set.

when you try to export you so called revolution to incite the Shia masses of other countries what do you expect in return? they going to through flowers at you?

You have nothing to add because you Iranians are nothing but full of sh|t and hot air. Devoid of common sense and logic. You lot think of yourself as some sort of highly intelligent race but in reality , a walking disaster. And yes, same goes for the House of Saud sitting across the Gulf.

Yea, keep on lighting fire, keep on fighting the so called Wahabis, keep on indoctrinating your masses with persian empire BS. And when you and the other side are done fighting with each and have nothing left, those who you chant and wish death to in your public rallies, will just simply walk in and take the spoils of war. At this time they are just simply laughing their heads off seeing the lunacy of Persian Mullahs and Saudis Bedouins.



Your stupidity and ignorance is not my concern.

Ok my brother in humanity... I never wish death to you... May God help lighten your path... But you showed how takfiri minded you are when you said those stuff about Kafir and crusedar shhit... and no, you didn't read or listen... you are like all your LOT that close your eyes and brain and repeat your savage anti-humanity sshit like this :

First you said it is Iranian who attacked other Muslims and Muslims only in their history and I explained how it is non sense and faaaar from reality... Then you said we need to attack Kafir nations!! No comment on this one... It is not our religion... Then you came with UFO level of BS about Iran butchering innocent Sunnis in Iraq!!!! No-comment on this too... I can respond to a question like " Why Japanese Shinto terrorists beheaded a Christian children in an Island of aboriginals in the middle of the Antarctica... but never your UFO level claims...

Ok, I never knew you are of Takfiri LOT or I never would have started explaining the REASON to you... You know why!! You can only explain stuff to organisms with brain...

And yes, I give you names... NAME to you... and never for a second doubt that we are the only intelligent beings here... you are seems to be created to be fooled first and used second...

You`re wasting your breath with these wahabists sub-humans and their sympathizers,sadly this thread seems to be full of them.

I agree my aussie mate... I didn't know he is one of them... I though he is a man of lost... These fox can never read or listen or reason... They lack the funcioning part... read the story of that takfiri wanted to blow himself among innocent civilians so he can join Rasul Al Allah for launch? This is the case for most of them unfortunately... God help them.. we can't..

 

[raptor22]

ok listen, if you want to start the debate into Iran/Iraq war, bring forth your proofs as to who was on the right side and who was not, This Saddam mad dog theory wont cut the ice. You are not that innocent as you may want to be believe or led to believe. when you started to "export" your revolution among the Shia masses of other countries, there was bound to be reaction.

If the elders of Islam had difference of opinions and their went against each other, does that mean we should do the same. Those difference, should have been gone with them, if we have kept them till this day, and still using them as excuse, then it is our failure.

You should consider yourself blessed that you are surrounded by Muslims , you have no clue how to be like when you got a nasty neighbor ten times your size leaving no stone unturned against you and happen to represent the worst form of kuffar. Yet you manage to turn this great blessing into a nightmare for yourself.

You fought wars with spain. England, Russian and out of all people, the yanks?? When did this happen, specially american? When did you declare war over them? The last time I checked, your forigen minister was signing on the paper sitting in front of yanks to denuclearize his country!!




There is something called original sin. I am sure you are aware of that. You lot screwed up Iraq when you alienated the Sunnis and created Shia theocracy there. What followed was mayhem and out the this mayhem came the monster which is ISIS. For once admit your mistakes. What would it take which will make you shed your sectarian glasses off and think for the bigger interest of Muslim world?

Bahrain was/is a rich and stable country with people living high quality of lives, really cant compare with the situation in Iraq. All was good till Iran tried to screw up the country and created civil war like situation. If you are so concerned about the majority in Bahrian, why same logic doesn't apply to Syria?

Actually I don't categorize countries as Kuffar and non Kuffar , it's not how I look at the world ...
You didn't say what kind of ideology ISIS Al Shabab, Boko Haram, Al nosra. AQ and many other terrorist groups follow?
and you failed when it comes with Bahrain, You said ISIS created due to " the Shia government in Bagdad fully supported by Iran prosecuted the sunnis and sidelined them in country affair." but you didn't say why never Shia majority of Iraq and Bahrain under prosecution of Sunni rulers created something like ISIS? and please prove Iran intention and actions regarding to created civil war in Bahrain ..
In Syria, the majority have absolute right like in Bahrain and I do support them to get their rights .... Iran from the day 1 called out for democratic approach , Iran proposed a 4 steps solution for Syria I hope it get active:

The proposal’s four steps were: Secure an immediate cease-fire, create a national unity government, rewrite Syria’s constitution to include the majority of Syrian ethnic groups and hold national elections under international supervision.​

Did anybody listen? no ....

 

[Arminkh]

Even if that is true, thats barrely an achievement.

Given the fact 2 of G20 countries are Muslim, It is quite an achievement.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Given the fact 2 of G20 countries are Muslim, It is quite an achievement.

G20 is a politically motivated group not really much to do with economic prowess.

 

[Arminkh]

G20 is a politically motivated group not really much to do with economic prowess.

It kind of matches the top 20 economies. At the very least 3 of the top 20 are Muslim.

1 United States
2 China
3 Japan
4 Germany
5 United Kingdom
6 France
7 India
8 Italy
9 Brazil
10 Canada
11 Korea
12 Spain
13 Australia
14 Russia
15 Mexico
16 Indonesia
17 Netherlands
18 Turkey
19 Switzerland
20 Saudi Arabia

Funny thing is that with all the sanctions, Iran is still the 28th largest economy ahead of countries like Austria, Denmark, Norway, Czechia (country's new name)

 

[scythian500]

It kind of matches the top 20 economies. At the very least 3 of the top 20 are Muslim.

1 United States
2 China
3 Japan
4 Germany
5 United Kingdom
6 France
7 India
8 Italy
9 Brazil
10 Canada
11 Korea
12 Spain
13 Australia
14 Russia
15 Mexico
16 Indonesia
17 Netherlands
18 Turkey
19 Switzerland
20 Saudi Arabia

Funny thing is that with all the sanctions, Iran is still the 28th largest economy ahead of countries like Austria, Denmark, Norway, Czechia (country's new name)

You can be all incompetent and fat *** and yet just because you have a sea of oil under your feet that has nothing to do with the competency of the residents above have a huge economy... It is the most hateful way to make income for people... even more hateful when you can not even extract the oil beneath your feet and foreigners must do that and give you your share...

What Iran has done as AA article said, is that all Muslim nations were and is incompetent in a way that even those a little modern used foreign experts and companies to develop while Iran became the most advanced Muslim nation all by her own... This is the biiig difference...

Btw, although bad management continues to stall Iranian fast progress and advance, Iran still and despite all the hardship of sanctions and mismanagement is on the right track and well ahead of any other Muslim nation...

Believe me brother.. Somehow Iranian people are making the difference.. The Gov is a lazy asss that needs to be shut down and redesigned from scratch in term of economic, scientific and tech policies. Yet with the current lazy asss, tens of thousands of Iranian brains inside of Iran are working hard to make a difference...

Last year despite the sanctions, over 40000 scientists and experts in over 10000 private high-tech companies (This number is not total employees it is just scientists) could produce and export 11000 billion tomans of pure high tech products and services... There is a nice formula set in to support high tech in Iran (Although it is a surprise to have such beautiful law in place by such govs) The gov buys half of the stakes in your start up and pays you your whole investment as loans, then when you are on your own, Gov sells back the stake to yourself... This line of funds are guaranteed by the leader himself so no gov change should affect this nice law...

There are predictions that if the current system stays the same (if not better) Iran can export at least 50 billion dollars of high tech products by 10 years and more than 200000 scientists get into business. Imagine Iran in 20 years if this continues... Current Iranian scientific and technological achievements are equal to 10s of this numbers as most of it being done relying only on Iran and Iranians... due to sanctions...

Funny when we hear from high tech activists that USA is actively trying to stop Iranians scientists aiming to make Iranians totally civilian efforts futile... This proves leader's comment on how West is against Iran becoming No.1 again...and that West wants Iran a consumer nation that says YES SIR.. Exports its natural resources and live happy!!

I always had faith in Iranian scientists and I come to realize I was right...

 

[Arminkh]

You can be all incompetent and fat *** and yet just because you have a sea of oil under your feet that has nothing to do with the competency of the residents above have a huge economy... It is the most hateful way to make income for people... even more hateful when you can not even extract the oil beneath your feet and foreigners must do that and give you your share...

What Iran has done as AA article said, is that all Muslim nations were and is incompetent in a way that even those a little modern used foreign experts and companies to develop while Iran became the most advanced Muslim nation all by her own... This is the biiig difference...

Btw, although bad management continues to stall Iranian fast progress and advance, Iran still and despite all the hardship of sanctions and mismanagement is on the right track and well ahead of any other Muslim nation...

Believe me brother.. Somehow Iranian people are making the difference.. The Gov is a lazy asss that needs to be shut down and redesigned from scratch in term of economic, scientific and tech policies. Yet with the current lazy asss, tens of thousands of Iranian brains inside of Iran are working hard to make a difference...

Last year despite the sanctions, over 40000 scientists and experts in over 10000 private high-tech companies (This number is not total employees it is just scientists) could produce and export 11000 billion tomans of pure high tech products and services... There is a nice formula set in to support high tech in Iran.. The gov buys half of the stakes in your start up and pays you your whole investment as loans, then when you are on your own, Gov sells back the stake to yourself... This line of funds are guaranteed by the leader himself so no gov change should affect this nice law...

There are predictions that if the current system stays the same (if not better) Iran can export at least 50 billion dollars of high tech products by 10 years and more than 200000 scientists get into business. Imagine Iran in 20 years if this continues... Current Iranian scientific and technological achievements are equal to 10s of this numbers as most of it being done relying only on Iran and Iranians... due to sanctions...

Funny when we hear from high tech activists that USA is actively trying to stop Iranians scientists aiming to make Iranians totally civilian efforts futile... This proves leader's comment on how West is against Iran becoming No.1 again...and that West wants Iran a consumer nation that says YES SIR.. Exports its natural resources and live happy!!

I always had faith in Iranian scientists and I come to realize I was right...

I can see the higtech policies are bearing fruit now. After all, having that glorious past, we are like the children of that ultra successful father that are trying to prove ourselves to be worthy of the name. Thats the biggest motivation of all and I also believe Iran is soon going to take its rightful place in the world.

 

[Hack-Hook]

You fought against the Muslims armies of Caplih Umer, you tried to kill the undisputed hero of Islamic world Sallahudin Ayubi (Assassins link), You fought against Ottomons, you fought against the Iraqis, You are fighting in Iraq, Syria, Yemen based on sectarian non sense. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but this patterns is too obvious to ignore.

For whatever reasons, right or wrong, you have managed to find yourself fighting against the other Muslims throughout.

Lets keep the open ended debate of who serve Islam the most for some other time.

Assassins, didn't want to kill him , they just sent a warning . if they wanted to kill him instead of putting the dagger under his pillow they put it in his heart. we didn't fought against ottomans , it was ottomans who fought against us.we fight in Syria and Iraq based on Humanitarian sense of helping fellow humans in their fight against zombies when they asked us and Yemen is your beloved KSA handiwork and have nothing to do with us.

and honestly when ARAB invaded you wanted us to do what ? and won't forget it was us who served Islam by destroying deranged Ummayed and Abbasid dynasty .

 

[Arminkh]

Assassins, didn't want to kill him , they just sent a warning . if they wanted to kill him instead of putting the dagger under his pillow they put it in his heart. we didn't fought against ottomans , it was ottomans who fought against us.we fight in Syria and Iraq based on Humanitarian sense of helping fellow humans in their fight against zombies when they asked us and Yemen is your beloved KSA handiwork and have nothing to do with us.

and honestly when ARAB invaded you wanted us to do what ? and won't forget it was us who served Islam by destroying deranged Ummayed and Abbasid dynasty .

And Saladin was Kurdish or in fact Iranian.

 

[raptor22]

It kind of matches the top 20 economies. At the very least 3 of the top 20 are Muslim.

1 United States
2 China
3 Japan
4 Germany
5 United Kingdom
6 France
7 India
8 Italy
9 Brazil
10 Canada
11 Korea
12 Spain
13 Australia
14 Russia
15 Mexico
16 Indonesia
17 Netherlands
18 Turkey
19 Switzerland
20 Saudi Arabia

Funny thing is that with all the sanctions, Iran is still the 28th largest economy ahead of countries like Austria, Denmark, Norway, Czechia (country's new name)

تا جایی که یادم میاد ایران 17 نبود؟ الان 28 شدیم؟ شاید به خاطر کاهش در آمدهای نفتی باشه ....

 

[AmirPatriot]

تا جایی که یادم میاد ایران 17 نبود؟ الان 28 شدیم؟ شاید به خاطر کاهش در آمدهای نفتی باشه ....

We are 28th using nominal figures and 18th using PPP. But South Africa is 39th (nominal) and it is still in G20.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Actually I don't categorize countries as Kuffar and non Kuffar , it's not how I look at the world ...
You didn't say what kind of ideology ISIS Al Shabab, Boko Haram, Al nosra. AQ and many other terrorist groups follow?
and you failed when it comes with Bahrain, You said ISIS created due to " the Shia government in Bagdad fully supported by Iran prosecuted the sunnis and sidelined them in country affair." but you didn't say why never Shia majority of Iraq and Bahrain under prosecution of Sunni rulers created something like ISIS? and please prove Iran intention and actions regarding to created civil war in Bahrain ..
In Syria, the majority have absolute right like in Bahrain and I do support them to get their rights .... Iran from the day 1 called out for democratic approach , Iran proposed a 4 steps solution for Syria I hope it get active:

The proposal’s four steps were: Secure an immediate cease-fire, create a national unity government, rewrite Syria’s constitution to include the majority of Syrian ethnic groups and hold national elections under international supervision.​

Did anybody listen? no ....

I am not saying that you go about picking your guns on rampage against non Muslims nations. The distinction was made between Muslim and Kafir nations on the basis of the "conflicts" you have been involved in your history with other Muslims.

Why would I care about the terrorist organization you mentioned? They are the tools, mercenaries in the hand of powers to be , to cause mayhem in the Muslim world, and target Islam through their actions. I am talking about you lot as a Muslim state and your counterparts in Riyadh. Surely you can rise above these terrorist organizations and contain the fire that is engulfing the middle east and its common people?

Did the Bahraini government was blowing Shia suburbs and its people before the law and order situation was created there? You do understand that Bahrain is a well developed country? And can you actually not see the sea difference between situation in Iraq where Madhi army, long before the creation of ISIS was on rampage agaisnt Sunnis? How Maliki policies were completely anti Sunnis? These are FACTS.

I respect your personal views about Syria but unfortunately your Mullah rulers dont agree with them, when even your generals are coming back to iran from Syria in coffins. Iran has no business to send it troops to fight inside Syria against Syrian people. Asad is despised by majority of Syrians. A problem which could have been avoided by cooler minds and better sense has now been turned into a proper Shia vs Sunni non sense with Hizbullah jumping in Syrian imbroglio. Highly despise dictator plus Iran plus hizbullah, all Shia , against the Sunni majority people of Syria. This is what the message is going to the world and Muslim world in particular. There is no military solution, whoever send Iranian forces inside Syria needs to get his head checked. Enemies of Islam will cause further divide if this continue unabated.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Assassins, didn't want to kill him , they just sent a warning . if they wanted to kill him instead of putting the dagger under his pillow they put it in his heart. we didn't fought against ottomans , it was ottomans who fought against us.we fight in Syria and Iraq based on Humanitarian sense of helping fellow humans in their fight against zombies when they asked us and Yemen is your beloved KSA handiwork and have nothing to do with us.

and honestly when ARAB invaded you wanted us to do what ? and won't forget it was us who served Islam by destroying deranged Ummayed and Abbasid dynasty .

Yes, sending warning to Sallahuddin right in the middle of his struggles against the Crusaders, and with Ottomans, the same theme, right when they were busy dealing with the Europeans, you Persians chose your timings very well. You fighting in Syria and Iraq on Humanitaritan grounds? Cut the BS mate.

With regards to Arabs invading you, your fate was sealed when Khusroo tore Prophet (PBUH) letter in anger. The problem with the narrative is, that till date you lot hold grudges against Arabs for destroying your Persian empire, your misplaced bravado and nationalism getting the better out of you, without realising that had the surgery not been done on you, you still would have been the fire worshipers.