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Why Indians are supporting Israel? when their own Leader Mahatma Gandhi was in favour of Palestine.

Not a frustration my friend - but that is the lens that you prefer to look through.

I agree though that the violence has precipitated and the whole thing needs to be stopped.
Its true that we have ideological boding with Palestinians because of sharing same beliefs but there is much more into it than just supporting them because they are Muslims. We are all human beings first and i will also speak against Muslims if he was/is the aggressor and kill innocent non Muslims/Muslims
 
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One day Israelis will also claim that Goa is a promised land from God. Then the bhartis @$$e$ will start burning like meteors.

:lol:
 
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Well I have seen many Indians on this forum which are in favour of Israel, except for few. So I am posting this article "The Jews in Palestine" by Mahatma Ghandhi Published in 26-11-1938
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Several letters have been received by me, asking me to declare my views about the Arab-Jew question in Palestine and the persecution of the Jews in Germany. It is not without hesitation that I venture to offer my views on this very difficult question.

My sympathies are all with the Jews. I have known them intimately in South Africa. Some of them became lifelong companions. Through these friends I came to learn much of their age long persecution. They have been the untouchables of Christianity. The parallel between their treatment by Christians and the treatment of untouchables by Hindus is very close.

Religious sanction has been invoked in both cases for the justification of the inhuman treatment meted out to them. Apart from the friendships, therefore, there is the more common universal reason for my sympathy for the Jews. But my sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice.

The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after return to Palestine.

Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood? Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home. The nobler course would be to insist on a just treatment of the Jews wherever they are born and bred. The Jews born in France are French in precisely the same sense that Christians born in France are French.

If the Jews have no home but Palestine, will they relish the idea of being forced to leave the other parts of the world in which they are settled? Or do they want a double home where they can remain at will? This cry for the national home affords a colorable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews. But the German persecution of the Jews seems to have no parallel in history. The tyrants of old never went so mad as Hitler seems to have gone. And he is doing it with religious zeal. For, he is propounding a new religion of exclusive and militant nationalism in the name of which any inhumanity becomes an act of humanity to be rewarded here and hereafter.

The crime of an obviously mad but intrepid youth is being visited upon his wholerace with unbelievable ferocity. If there ever could be a justifiable war in the name of and for humanity, a war against Germany to prevent the wanton persecution of a whole race, would be completely justified. But I do not believe in any war. A discussion of the pros and cons of such a war is, therefore, outside my horizon or province.

But if there can be no war against Germany, even for such a crime as is being committed against the Jews, surely there can be no alliance with Germany. How can there be alliance between a nation, which claims to stand for justice and democracy and one, which is the declared enemy of both? Or is England drifting towards armed dictatorship and all it means?

Germany is showing to the world how efficiently violence can be worked when it is not hampered by any hypocrisy or weakness masquerading as humanitarianism.It is also showing how hideous, terrible and terrifying it looks in its nakedness.Can the Jews resist this organized and shameless persecution? Is there a way to preserve their self-respect, and not to feel helpless, neglected and forlorn? I submit there is. No person who has faith in a living God need feel helpless or forlorn. Jehovah of the Jews is a God more personal than the God of the Christians, the Mussalmans or the Hindus, though as a matter of fact, in essence, He is common to all and one without a second and beyond description. But as the Jews attribute personality to God and believe that He rules every action of theirs, they ought not to feel helpless.

If I were a Jew and were born in Germany and earned my livelihood there, I would claim Germany as my home even as the tallest gentile German might, and challenge him to shoot me or cast me in the dungeon; I would refuse to be expelled or to submit to discriminating treatment. And for doing this I should not wait for! the fellow Jews to join me in civil resistance, but would have confidence that in the end the rest were bound to follow my example....

And now a word to the Jews in Palestine. I have no doubt that they are going about it in the wrong way. The Palestine of the Biblical conception is not a geographical tract. It is in their hearts. But if they must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs. They should seek to convert the Arab heart.

The same God rules the Arab heart who rules the Jewish heart... They will find the world opinion in their favor in their religious aspiration. There are hundreds of ways of reasoning with the Arabs, if they will only discard the help of the British bayonet. As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them. I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regarded as an unwarrantable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds.

Let the Jews who claim to be the chosen race prove their title by choosing the way of non-violence for vindicating their position on earth. Every country is their home, including Palestine, not by aggression but by loving service. A Jewish friend has sent me a book called The Jewish Contribution to Civilization by Cecil Roth. It gives a record of what the Jews have done to enrich the world's literature, art, music, drama, science, medicine, agriculture, etc. Given the will, the Jew can refuse to be treated as the outcast of the West, to be despised or patronized. He can command the attention and respect of the world by being the chosen creation of God, instead of sinking to the brute who is forsaken by God. They can add to their many contributions the surpassing contribution of non-violent action.

The Jews In Palestine By Mahatma Gandhi
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So I would like to know, Indians? why are you supporting Israel? :rofl: o_O

Mahatma Gandhi is NOT the leader of India.
He was one of many figures during the struggle for independence.

They are supporting Israel because Pakistani are supporting Palestine and it actually burn them why we are supporting other Muslims belong to different race :rofl:

No, Israel, while not being a saint, has its rights to defend itself.

And furthermore, India and Israel had always good relations.
 
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One day Israelis will also claim that Goa is a promised land from God. Then the bhartis @$$e$ will start burning like meteors.

:lol:

You have a vivid imagination. :lol: Let them claim Goa first, maybe we can decide the state of our posteriors then.
 
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And furthermore, India and Israel had always good relations.

Israel has right to defend but what is this right of defence? throw rockets indiscriminately on civilians population and to kill 500 civilians mostly children and women for revenge of 1 or 2 Israeli?
 
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Mahatma Gandhi is NOT the leader of India.
He was one of many figures during the struggle for independence.

Seriously Indians on this forum really are starting to troll, Ghandhi not a Leader of India?? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Then why his picture on your currency? and can you tell me who is the TRUE leader of India? if you could answer without Trolling.
 
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Mahatama Gandhi to supported Britain in WW2 which was a oppereser and Imperialist Too.
Nazi Germany Facist Italy and Imperial Japan were the totalitarian Opressors in World war 2. Not Britan and France and Soviet Union.Every sane man would choose the Allied side because the Axis were totally Racist expansionist and Oppressive. Look what Japanese did to Chinese Koreans and other east asian nations. And the German trratment of europeans as sub humans. The masulini atrocities in Africa. Get your facts right bro
 
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One day Israelis will also claim that Goa is a promised land from God. Then the bhartis @$$e$ will start burning like meteors.

:lol:

Yeah but that day will only show up after the US claims full stakes to your country after cutting off your nuts aka. nukes and making Pakistan the 52nd state...
Im sure the fire under the Pakistani asses will burn more powerful than the sun....

See we all can come up with nonsensical hypothetical scenarios...Only my scenario sounds more likely to come true..LOL!
 
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Just like puppita sits with a puppita
Watermalon looks like a Watermalon
Mouselini supported Hitler
Churchill supported Stalin

India doesn't gain much from Israel. Indians support Israel because one mass murderer/occupier of Muslims in Kashmir shares its love for killing Muslims with another mass murderer/occupier of Muslims in Palestine.

Both have a similar pseudo secular, religiously motivated fascist ideology, for Hindutva is an Indianized version of Zionism.

Both states seek an apartheid. Zionists seek a 'Jewish state', Hindutvadasis seek a 'Hinduvansh'.

Both states have racially motivated demographic engineering aspirations. Zionists want a 'Jewish majotity state', the Hindutvadasis desire a 'Hindu majority state'.

Both states have fear of the 'other'. Zionists are deporting the 'illegal niggers', Hindutvadasis are deporting the 'illegal Bengali invaders.'

Both states want to displace massive population to deprive them of their natural resources. Zionists seek Gaza's gas fields, Hindutvadasis seek natural resources of the Maoist 'terrorists'.

Zionists and Hindutvadasis are a match made in heavens, similar hegemonic mindset, similar policies, common Islamophobia, common racist vision, common militarism, common arrogance that comes with being an occupier underpims this Hindutva Zionist marriage.

I'll leave these thoughts with you... Peace

@Aeronaut - Your hate towards India is understandable as is our towards Pakistan. While we should drive this emotion in order to achieve competitive advantage against each other, we should not let it inhibit our rationale and ignore the ground realities. The fact is most of us supported Israel because we see Israel as an ally. However, the way this conflict has panned out, has made a lot of Indians empathize with Palestinians. I, for example, am completely in support of Palestine in this conflict and am sure there are others too.
Now, as far your rants are concerned - it reeks of narrow mindedness blinded by your hate towards Israel and India. For your information we already are a 'Hindu majority state' and 'Hindutva', as ruled by Supreme Court of India, is to be understood as a way of life and not as a law of state. While I don't disagree with the fact that there will be (and are) some fundamental groups that would like to have it enforced, for most of us it is a way to preserve our own culture and traditions without interfering in other's beliefs. It's not different from the way Pakistanis are trying to preserve their culture. Religion in India has always been a personal matter and I don't see any evidence of the current government interfering in people's personal matters. Hell, we don't even have a uniform civil code.
Let me also remind you that your 'Hinduvansh', (if India ever becomes a Hinduvansh) will be as safe (if not more) for muslims to live as Pakistan. With all the hatemongering, it is still a fact that more muslims are murdered in the name of religion in your country than in our country.
On the other hand, I somewhat agree with you as far as Maoists are concerned. I wish we never have handled the maoist cause the way we did. Past is past and I can only hope that the current government will help in wholesome and holistic development of the natural resources rich area.
I didn't quite understand the match made in heaven part. It sounded childish and immature. In all fairness I believe we have more in common with Pakistan than Israel. Some Indians may be arrogant (comes naturally with whatever little new found success) but it would be hasty generalization to label entire society as arrogant. Islamophobia is not just common to India and Israel but has gripped all the non-muslims state which has been perpetuated by some incidents over the last decade and a half that have presented muslims (islam in general) in bad light.
I respect Islam as a religion and believe it will bounce back from what it has came to be known for. In the meantime lets work and collaborate together to help eradicate ills that plague our countries instead of spewing hatred in the forums. Peace.
 
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Seriously Indians on this forum really are starting to troll, Ghandhi not a Leader of India?? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Then why his picture on your currency? and can you tell me who is the TRUE leader of India? if you could answer without Trolling.

Do you know what the meaning of leader is? He is not leading our country. He has never lead independent India, because he never was part of the GOI. And apart from that, dead people cant be leaders of anything.



He was one of the founding fathers of India. The question why he is printed on every Rs. note is a political one. The answer to it is the dominance of the Congress Party in the post independence period.

Israel has right to defend but what is this right of defence? throw rockets indiscriminately on civilians population and to kill 500 civilians mostly children and women for revenge of 1 or 2 Israeli?

Well the deaths of civilians are unacceptable in my eyes. But then again, the Israelis cant just sit there and let rockets rain on their cities.
 
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i will also speak against Muslims if he was/is the aggressor and kill innocent non Muslims/Muslims

Then you would have said a lot already.

Besides, unbeknownst to most of us - more Mexicans have died in Mexican drug wars this year than Iraq and Syria put together - or at least close to that figure. It probably stands at 1,20,000 killed so far in 5 years.
 
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Seriously Indians on this forum really are starting to troll, Ghandhi not a Leader of India?? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Then why his picture on your currency? and can you tell me who is the TRUE leader of India? if you could answer without Trolling.

Gandhi is NOT the only leader who fought for independence, even though he probably was the most popular....
Gandhi was a saintly man...NOT a politician! So his views on Indias foreign relations may not be what we call ideal..
So not every political situation has to be seen from Gandhi's view...

And I for one do believe that the independence movement has been hijacked by the Gandhi name....He alone should not be on the currency of India! Though he definitely deserves a lot of the importance he gets due to his social movement to uplift the poor and downtrodden....
 
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Well the deaths of civilians are unacceptable in my eyes. But then again, the Israelis cant just sit there and let rockets rain on their cities.
Rain of rockets on their cities? may i know how many casualties were caused by these rain of rockets? Give me straight answer
 
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Rain of rockets on their cities? may i know how many casualties were caused by these rain of rockets? Give me straight answer

Not many... sure. The rockets are ancient and partially home made. The Israelis got emergency procedures, bunkers and their new Iron Dome.

But those rockets are still provocations, direct attacks on the Israeli citizens and a threat to their lives.


Which government on earth would (could) just sit there and do nothing?
 
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