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Why India is already a loser in NSA talks

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When India demonstrated its resentment against Pakistan’s commitment to meet Kashmir’s resistance leadership in New Delhi ahead of the national security adviser (NSA) level talks, little did it know about the consequences of this political miscalculation. Over the years, probably since the summer uprising of 2010, the Kashmiri resistance leadership has never been too significant in any political process concerning Kashmir. Such political obstinacy further delegitimises the authenticity of India’s idea of Kashmir.

India emphasises that NSA level talks are only meant to deal with the issues related to security and terrorism. True. But the main cause of "terrorism" between India and Pakistan is the unresolved political dispute of Jammu and Kashmir. If there was no unresolved Kashmir issue, why would the non-state actors from Pakistan be interested in crossing the line of control (LoC)? India calls it Pakistan-sponsored terrorism. Also, what interest would India have in creating trouble in Balochistan (as claimed by Pakistan) to destabilise the neighbouring county? Pakistan calls it India-sponsored terrorism.

Also read: Honey, we shrunk the separatists

Pakistan, as a country, has its own political idea and its foreign policy; so when Pakistan chooses to talk to India, it definitely has to make sure that the goals of its foreign policy are met. Kashmir is a part of Pakistan’s greater foreign policy initiatives and for it, Kashmir remains the main issue related to the security of the two countries. It, thereby, becomes essential for Pakistan to have Kashmir on its agenda for the NSA meet.

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For India, the only way out of the Kashmir dispute, without compromising its position, has been its attempts to make the resistance leadership irrelevant on the broader political paradigm. But Kashmir’s struggle is not because of the leadership that represents the idea. Alienating them would not actually make much difference: a person or a face could be made irrelevant, but the idea itself will remain there forever.

One of the important issues that India is demonstrating its ignorance about is the understanding between Pakistan and the Hurriyat. If Pakistan has to set a political agenda for the talks after consulting the Hurriyat, what makes India think that Pakistan could not do it without calling the Hurriyat leadership to New Delhi? India keeps on saying that Pakistan is a country run by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Why would it, in that case, be difficult for Pakistan to seek the viewpoint of the resistance leadership without letting India even know about it?

Over the years, Pakistan has been too busy dealing with its internal problems. As a consequence, several issues, including Kashmir, could not get due attention. So it is especially important for Pakistan to take a stand on Kashmir, particularly when an impression is being formed that owing to Pakistan’s internal problems, it seems to have given up its stand on Kashmir.

To put things simply, in this political game, talks may or may not be successful, but Pakistan has already scored a diplomatic point, while the Indian political leadership – divided under different names and ideas – remains busy in throwing blame on each other for Pakistan’s stand on Kashmir. So, diplomatically India is already defeated in this round of NSA talks.
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How is india a loser ? What is that pakistan can do at the best ,conduct more terrorist attacks ? India has been there and seen it all. Pak sponsored terror attacks is not going to stop India growing economically. Pakistan can continue to be obsessed with kashmir and keep conducting terror attacks. We have enough muscle and money power to see them through. As pakistan rears more snakes in there backyard to bite india they will come to roost one or the other day.

Its a war of attrition keep dreaming on of coveting kashmir. Even bangladesh is in better financial state than pakistan now.

For a country which boasts of fighting "war on terrorism" , pathetically runs away from having dialogue on terrorism. It simply shows which way war on terrorism is going on.
 
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We just removed any symbolic role played by Hurriyat. No talks with Hurriyat on Indian soil before any bilateral talks. This is the new normal and Pakistan will have to adhere to this. Take that for a loss.
 
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We just removed any symbolic role played by Hurriyat. No talks with Hurriyat on Indian soil before any bilateral talks. This is the new normal and Pakistan will have to adhere to this. Take that for a loss.


And what in the world majes you think pakistan will comply with this?
 
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And what in the world majes you think pakistan will comply with this?

Well.. Because we say so. Our land , our rules...

Time is on our side. We can wait out the current jingoistic establishment . When a pragmatic general Comes, he will comply with the new normal. Till then we will keep buying onions and tomatoes and make a section of farming/ trading community dependent on us. Once this pressure group is strong enough, thebtehn general will see the advantage of complying with new normal.
 
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In short, the OP is saying that "non state actors" will continue to cross border and continue terrorism till Kashmir is addressed.

Buddy, this is an open admission of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistan.

Due to this tantrum, Pakistan is looking like a thug who pulls a gun on your head and asks you to talk peace. HILARIOUS indeed!
 
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is dailyo.in a sister site of scroll.in ?
 
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Theres no peace in pakistan and kashmir can go to dogs. Rest of the india will move ahead.

Or Kashmiris can go to Pakistan can't care less. If Pakistan is really driven by moral grounds it should walk the talk for once and take these Kashmiris they are missing their homeland.
 
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And what in the world majes you think pakistan will comply with this?

What else pakistan can do, longer they delay the talks, more they will lose as India grows its caliber and recognition in global world.

Once a Loser always a loser.. they dont want peace .. without Kashmir no Peace in region..

More than us its you who need peace? Ball is in your court.
The moment we become aggresive on borders to take out terrorists, you will be forced to move your forces away from west to east and all you efforts to gain peace in western part of pakistan will fail.
 
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What else pakistan can do, longer they delay the talks, more they will lose as India grows its caliber and recognition in global world.



More than us its you who need peace? Ball is in your court.
The moment we become aggresive on borders to take out terrorists, you will be forced to move your forces away from west to east and all you efforts to gain peace in western part of pakistan will fail.


And talks will stop india growing in calibre and recognition in global world. ? Great logic

On border we have enough troops and we dont rely on indian good will to fight our wars
 
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And talks will stop india growing in calibre and recognition in global world. ? Great logic
Go home you are drunk....
Else read the statement again and again and again so that it makes sense to you...

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