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Why India can’t defeat Pakistan or China in a war

Oh pleeeease, this is bullshit and is very similar to the technique used by the Pentagon and the militray complex, every time they wanted new toys and more money, just start scaring the people the enemy is much stronger and we need more money to buy more weapons and so it goes...
 
yes it was and we given to you , so that we can have some entertainment.
you gave it to us....is this what they teach you in india.
look at how many people died during independence. if it was gifted as you say why was there a human catastrophe
 
first question do we really need a war? no

we are not interested in war...

second, Do we have capability to win a war.. 1971 our objective is create independent nation.. and we achieved...
rest of wars... our objective is to defend our territory and we achieved.... includes in 1947 war.. we stopped pak forces and defending that territory... rest upto your imagination skills..

You're right! Cowards don't wage war, they try and get others to do their dirty work. Your country is now trying its level best to make US go to war with Pakistan! Well, the bad news is US won't risk a war with China for now.

I havent heard Chinese speaking so much about war. India is a real exception, ALWAYS talking only about wars with neighbors! Something is seriously wrong with Indian psychology!

"Barking dogs seldom bite!"
 
You're right! Cowards don't wage war, they try and get others to do their dirty work. Your country is now trying its level best to make US go to war with Pakistan! Well, the bad news is US won't risk a war with China for now.



"Barking dogs seldom bite!"
You call India coward because you think we want US to fight Pakistan for us(thats an insult to India if you say we need someone else to fight a country the size of Pakistan).and in the same breath you say china will fight for Pakistan,does that make Pakistan cowards tooo.:-)
 
You're right! Cowards don't wage war, they try and get others to do their dirty work. Your country is now trying its level best to make US go to war with Pakistan! Well, the bad news is US won't risk a war with China for now.



"Barking dogs seldom bite!"



Now who is barking :rofl::rofl::rofl: every nutcase showing emptybravado in online forum..
 
Why India can’t defeat Pakistan or China in a war
March 22, 2017, 7:37 PM IST John Cheeran in Arrackistan | India | TOI
To provoke a somnolent establishment into action, your message has to be blunt. There cannot be a more blunt warning to India’s political leadership and defence establishment than what Pravin Sawhney and Ghazala Wahab have delivered in their admirable and unsparing book Dragon On Our Doorstep: Managing China Through Military Power (Published by Aleph, Pages 458, Price Rs 799). Let alone China, India cannot even win a war against Pakistan. Yes, you read that right.

Sawhney, an Armyman-turned-journalist, and Wahab, a career journalist, are editors at FORCE magazine which focuses on national security, bring to the book sharp analysis and fresh perspectives to present a new strategy to strengthen India as a nation.

One of their key arguments is that the political leadership has to improve their understanding of military matters and involve the views of defence forces while making critical national security decisions. Another provocative take is that the Indian Army is a bloated force and has to shed flab, by reducing the number of personnel at its disposal. They call for a review of both field force and non-field force in the Army in order to move towards professionalism. The authors also want the Army to disengage itself from counter-insurgency operations, a task at best left to paramilitary forces, and regain its edge to do its primary task- fight the enemy.

Dragon On Our Doorstep could be a little misleading title since the authors are not only discussing the China threat but India’s defence strategy. In full play is Pakistan, Kashmir and the red menace, the greatest threat India is facing, as former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh put it. Sawhney and Wahab say that in terms of threat, Pakistan is China and China is Pakistan, pointing out especially the ‘inter-operability’ that both military forces have achieved.

So despite the strongman Narendra Modi at the helm, why can’t India defeat Pakistan in a war? Sawhney and Wahab make a critical distinction to win their argument. Pakistan has built military power, India a military force. And they explain: “Military force involves the mere collection of war-withal, that is, building up of troops and war-waging material; military power is about optimal utilization of military force. It entails an understanding of the adversaries and the quantum of threat from each, the nature of warfare, domains of war, how it would be fought, and structural military reforms at various levels to meet these challenges.”

Sawhney and Wahab write that the political leadership which would decide the terms of war engagement understands neither nuclear weapons nor military power. “Its responses would be slow, tardy, ad hoc and piecemeal rather than bold and substantive if the countries were to go to war.”
What else makes Indian defence forces vulnerable? Since the defence forces are outside the government, they have little interaction with the political leadership in peacetime and little say in the acquisition of conventional weapons. The defence services have little knowledge and understanding of their own nuclear weapons and Pakistan’s nuclear redlines. As India does not have an efficient indigenous defence industry, war supplies are not assured. All these, for an average reader, sound pretty scary.

There is more in store. Sawhney and Wahab write that the Indian Air Force has critical deficiencies in combat aircraft, training aircraft, simulators, air defence and network-centricity. “Most of all, the joint-ness in operations between the army and the air force, which is a critical requirement at the operational level for a short and swift, war is absent. This was obvious from the last localized Kargil conflict that the two services fought together. Instead of a single operation, the army’s operation was named Vijay, while the IAF campaign was called Safed Sagar.”

The authors also examine India’s foreign policy in relation to China and Pakistan and criticise Modi for his failure in not rising as a statesman prime minister to transform India into a leading power. Modi’s foreign policy, the authors say, is more optics than substance.

They say that ‘Act East, Think West’ policy is hampered by the perennial failures in strategic thinking and a lack of appreciation for military power. They pick on India’s foreign aid policy and say that if our neighbours are neither deferential nor deterrent there is something amiss. Sawhaney and Wahab argue that aid is seldom given to fulfill the needs of the recipient. It is given to meet the requirements- strategic in the case of nations- of the giver. And if the requirements are not met, you increase the aid or diversify it. They also say that India is the only country in the world where foreign policy with nations having disputed borders- China and Pakistan- is made with regard to military advice. All these criticisms should rile the defence establishment and the bureaucrats who have straitjacketed India’s foreign policy.

The other strong and significant argument that Sawhney and Wahab put forward is that the government of India should open unconditional talks with everyone alienated from the national mainstream, irrespective of their professed public positions. They caution that even the biggest of powers have not been able to withstand internal discord because they understand that the financial and military effort required to keep it in check debilitates the nation in the long run. Sawhney and Wahab are absolutely justified when the say that if India is able to win over the tribal population of central India and the people from the northeastern states, it will be able to free up a substantive number of its soldiers from internal stability and counter-insurgency operations.

So in the end, the message is that set your home right, the world will follow you. May be Modi can take note.

DISCLAIMER : Views expressed above are the author's own.
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...india-cant-defeat-pakistan-or-china-in-a-war/
Well.. Pakistan has been beaten no once but thrice.. and if Chinese leadership thought it could win a war against India they would have already started it by now..
 
You call India coward because you think we want US to fight Pakistan for us(thats an insult to India if you say we need someone else to fight a country the size of Pakistan).and in the same breath you say china will fight for Pakistan,does that make Pakistan cowards tooo.:-)
You're wrong! Pakistan is ready to fight India on its own. China will back us with supplies, no doubt about it but it's very different from what India wants. Pakistan is not, and has never incited, or tried to incite China to go to war with India for us!

Your reaction is what we say in Urdu: "Khisiyani billi khamba nochay"

Besides, it is your own authors that have claimed so.... :dance3:
 
Yet despite the fact that india is at least 7× times bigger than Pakistan and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege, we still have around 40% of Kashmir and there is NOTHING indian kind can do about it. That is impossible odds yet Pakistan has overcome them.





Okay, so indians are not really motivated to fight Pakistan????????....:disagree:......dont know which planet you got that answer from!

In previous times when indians DID in fact have the upper hand they attacked Pakistan so again don’t have a clue what you are going on about. The minute Pakistan is in any way weak or vulnerable, the ugly beast from the East would attack us. You are talking about india as if they are America.....lol.....:rofl:
Just for your listen your leader .... what he said , " we don't want to extinct " please save us .....in UN


I love the line , "we want to live" PAK @ UN , this is answer your all myths
 
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Just for your listen your leader .... what he said , " we don't want to extinct " please save us .....in UN


I love the line , "we want to live" PAK @ UN , this is answer your all myths



And we were saved. But not by the UN but by ourselves. We were saved and prevented from going extinct by becoming a nuclear weapons state. And indian kind can't do nothing about it even though you are more than 7x bigger than us and have abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege........lol........lol......:lol:
 
Just for your listen your leader .... what he said , " we don't want to extinct " please save us .....in UN


I love the line , "we want to live" PAK @ UN , this is answer your all myths
Don't forget what became of that leader!
 
Just for your listen your leader .... what he said , " we don't want to extinct " please save us .....in UN


I love the line , "we want to live" PAK @ UN , this is answer your all myths
Post full video than you have your answers
 
It's not us Pakistani's that claim to be a superpower. But we are the ONLY nation in all recorded human history who has for nearly 70 years repelled an enemy nation that is more than 7x bigger than us and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege. NO OTHER nation that exists or has EVER existed has managed to achieve this impossible feat.

As far as British participation in CPEC is concerned, I was merely pointing out to the fact that major world powers want to invest in Pakistan now but that would have been deemed impossible just over a year ago. We may have poverty in Pakistan but we also don’t have 30-40% of the ENTIRE Earth's most severely malnourished and extreme poor.
And we were saved. But not by the UN but by ourselves. We were saved and prevented from going extinct by becoming a nuclear weapons state. And indian kind can't do nothing about it even though you are more than 7x bigger than us and have abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege........lol........lol......:lol:
you was saved by then US not by yourself, this all lies spread by your Army to protect itself....lol:omghaha: truth always bitter , ground action is always tell real story rather then writing imaginative story.

Post full video than you have your answers
Post it if you have , or its deleted by PA / PA is afraid of showing to its own countrymen citing national security? :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
you was saved by then US not by yourself, this all lies spread by your Army to protect itself....lol:omghaha: truth always bitter , ground action is always tell real story rather then writing imaginative story.


Post it if you have , or its deleted by PA / PA is afraid of showing to its own countrymen citing national security? :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:



Really????????.........think you may be using the same indian source for your info that claims india is a superpower and that Pakistan can NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese.That it is impossible to do so.......lol......lol..... :rofl:

Don't worry it's not your fault.....lol......:lol:......it must be so painful and frustrating that your nation is so weak and powerless to do anything to us even though we are more than 7x smaller than you and don't have abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems like india does.......lol......lol.....:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
Post it if you have , or its deleted by PA / PA is afraid of showing to its own countrymen citing national security? :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
you post intentionally this part of video that would you like:enjoy: in other thread already posted, look you insane indian in 65's war no one win or loss they bombed each other and the war had been over in 21 days but i admit this fact that we lost war on the table, again in 71's there is no win or loss in western front but eastern front we will loss:(
do research before you bark:blah::pissed:
 

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