Why I Am Not Charlie? I Am Ahmed!

[MarkusS]

Sorry man but I am not a bozkurt.

Looks like it. You hate europeans and kurds and our culture. So what should i think when you talk like one?

What disturbs me the most is the fact that so many so called "moderate" Muslims try to justify terrorism. No matter what Charlie drew, regardless of how offensive it was, you can't kill him. Maybe in your Islamic countries but not in France. At the same time it is also amusing that now those cartoons are all over the internet. Perhaps a few hundred people saw them before now millions have seen it. Now when I think about Muḥammad one of those cartoons come to my mind. It would also encourage other people to draw more such cartoons.

Streisand effect at work:

Streisand-Effekt – Wikipedia

 

[AgentOrange]

Europe is secular. We dont respect ypir prophet, we dont want your prophet and nobody can give us orders about what we make fun about and what not. So,e primitives wont dictate a lifestyle on us. Its that easy.

Well, the Jews can give you orders. French "free speech" allows for the mocking of anything and anyone...except Jews. Then you're prosecuted for anti-Semitism under the vague law of "inciting racial hatred." Because you know...only Jews can be targets of racial hatred.

Free speech is either all or nothing. No one should die for drawing cartoons just like no one should go to jail for making fun of Jewish people. So no, the French don't practice free speech at all.

 

[coffee_cup]

1. I don´t support PEGIDA.

2. All europeans are not my enemy. USA is not my enemy. Canada is not my enemy, Australia and new zealand is not my enemy. Japan and South Korea is my friend as is all of latin america.

1) haha...joke of the century. Oh the irony! Just as you don't support the Führer and Mussulini, yeah man we know you!
2) So outside NATO and handful of Latin American countries, everyone is your enemy. What a world class vision.

Thankfully the overwhelming majority of Germans and Europeans do not follow Mussulini mentality.

I know, that you my Italian friend can read German, so here something interesting for you to read in "Der Spiegel" ...keep an open mind:


Studie zu religiösen Vorurteilen: Wissen über Koran baut Islam-Angst ab

 

[MarkusS]

What disturbs me the most is the fact that so many so called "moderate" Muslims try to justify terrorism. No matter what Charlie drew, regardless of how offensive it was, you can't kill him. Maybe in your Islamic countries but not in France. At the same time it is also amusing that now those cartoons are all over the internet. Perhaps a few hundred people saw them before now millions have seen it. Now when I think about Muḥammad one of those cartoons come to my mind. It would also encourage other people to draw more such cartoons.

Streisand effe

1) haha...joke of the century. Oh the irony! Just as you don't support the Führer and Mussulini, yeah man we know you!
2) So outside NATO and handful of Latin American countries, everyone is your enemy. What a world class vision.

Thankfully the overwhelming majority of Germans and Europeans do not follow Mussulini mentality.

I know, that you my Italian friend can read German, so here something interesting for you to read in "Der Spiegel" ...keep an open mind:


Studie zu religiösen Vorurteilen: Wissen über Koran baut Islam-Angst ab

You say i should read the quran. Did you read our holy bible?

 

[RescueRanger]

You say i should read the quran. Did you read our holy bible?

I have care to discuss it with me my friend? What would you like to discuss?

 

[TankMan]

What the hell is going on on this thread? I am not Charlie either, but I refuse to try and justify the attacks. It doesn't matter whether France has invaded countries in the Middle East or shown hypocrisy in foreign policy - it just doesn't matter! The cartoonists didn't do it and neither did the police officers.

The cartoonists shouldn't have drawn offensive things - freedom of speech and freedom of offensive speech are two different things and the 'European values' people need to decide how far they want to go with the whole freedom of speech thing.

BUT - No way you can kill the for it. No way. Don't like it? Don't read it.
"When ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme." [Qur'an 4:140]
"Have patience with what they say, and leaves them with noble (dignity)." [Qur'an 73:10]

If you're that offended, file a lawsuit or hold a protest.
"The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto: but if a person forgets and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah." [Qur'an 62:40]

I am not Charlie - but I don't try to justify or 'explain' murder either.

 

[coffee_cup]

You say i should read the quran. Did you read our holy bible?

I just said, you should read the article, it gives an interesting insight against prejudice.

 

[gau8av]

The cartoonists shouldn't have drawn offensive things - freedom of speech and freedom of offensive speech are two different things and the 'European values' people need to decide how far they want to go with the whole freedom of speech things.

here's where all of you "offended" lot are failing miserably.. free speech means free to say whatever, even if it's in bad taste and offensive to some, and that includes giving the same treatment to Jesus, the Pope and the Jews.. deal with it, don't like it ? don't subscribe it, don't buy it, don't read it.

Charlie Hebdo aren't publishing in Rawalpindi and Mosul, their cartoons are in the French language.. clearly meant for French consumption.

 

[DrawingDead]

So you charlies went surveying all around the world to find out your number is 6 billion?

Don't have to survey anyone. There's your kind and then there's the rest of the world. See how he came up with 6 billion vs 1 billion?

 

[JonAsad]

better a baniya, than a mullah!!!

It depends on which version of Baniya i thought of. Even Worse than the kind of mullah you thought of.

 

[damm1t]

Looks like it. You hate europeans and kurds and our culture. So what should i think when you talk like one?

Wrong again, I don't label people with their respective nationalities and religions, as you do generalise muslims and imply muslims are underdeveloped, uncivilized people. That would lead me to your level of humanity. My rage is for hypocracy of europeans and their insolent behaviours, you are a great live example of this mindset. As for kurds, nobody would give flowers those who kill their citizens, even newborns, with cold blood for decades.

 

[MarkusS]

Wrong again, I don't label people with their respective nationalities and religions, as you do generalise muslims and imply muslims are underdeveloped, uncivilized people. That would lead me to your level of humanity. My rage is for hypocracy of europeans and their insolent behaviours, you are a great live example of this mindset. As for kurds, nobody would give flowers those who kill their citizens, even newborns, with cold blood for decades.

look...terrorism is wrong. Be it in EU, Turkey or wherever. You leader was in Paris today and i appreciate your nations support.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Good post tankman

 

[TankMan]

here's where all of you "offended" lot are failing miserably.. free speech means free to say whatever, even if it's in bad taste and offensive to some, and that includes giving the same treatment to Jesus, the Pope and the Jews.. deal with it, don't like it ? don't subscribe it, don't buy it, don't read it.

Charlie Hebdo aren't publishing in Rawalpindi and Mosul, their cartoons are in the French language.. clearly meant for French consumption.

There's no failure in being offended by stuff that is specifically made to offend.

If free speech means 'say whatever you want', why are there hate speech laws?
In France, specifically,

''The hate speech laws in France are matters of both civil law and criminal law. Those laws protect individuals and groups from being defamed or insulted because they belong or do not belong, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or because they have a handicap. ''

Loi du 29 juillet 1881 sur la liberté de la presse | Legifrance
Hate speech laws in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Law on the Freedom of the Press of 29 July 1881 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's why I said they need to decide what they really mean by freedom of speech .

If you don't care about your religion being insulted, that's your choice. But others that do care should be allowed to express their disapproval. That's free speech too, remember? Here's where you ''Western,Liberal, free speech'' lot are failing miserably. If freedom of speech means you can say anything, then that means I can also say I disagree with it.

Everything has its limits and nothing is absolute. Freedom of Speech is great and all, but you'd still have to restrict certain things. If you don't want to restrict criticism of religion, fine, your choice - but don't expect me to agree with it. And I must reiterate here, lest I be dubbed an apologist, that there is no way murder or violence is justified or justifiable and I am not trying to justify it. I am simply stating my opinion - that I disapprove of my religion being insulted.

 

[Shot-Caller]

Don't have to survey anyone. There's your kind and then there's the rest of the world. See how he came up with 6 billion vs 1 billion?

Yea I could say the same about you. There's your kind which includes those extremist butchers. They are extremists in their actions you're extremists in your thoughts and then there's our kind that gets tagged as terrorists for following a religion.