Why hasn't Pakistan been able to have a sustained GDP growth rate?

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistani women are not working

They are working. Poor things work hard. They cook, massage, tend to the dozen kids all the while getting pregnant every year because the husband has literally taken the mullah advice to "go forth and multiply". All this though is not econonically productive in modern global economy.

 

[Alpha_PK]

They are working. Poor things work hard. They cook, massage, tend to the dozen kids all the while getting pregnant every year because the husband has literally taken the mullah advice to "go forth and multiply". All this though is not econonically productive in modern global economy.

Yeah but Bangaldesh's population density is nearly 3x ours.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

China's economy

My point stands. If nationalised economy is such a poison that you can't recover from it for a thousand years [I bet most PDF'ers were born way after demise of Bhutto] trhen how come China which was drowned in nationalised industries has over the last thirty years shy-rocketed. The answers lie in the nature of Chine society. Their empasise on education, female equality, modern dare I say 'Western' outlook. The CCP entirely re-built Chinese society post 1947. Entirely. Nothing of the traditional China is left.

In Pakistan traditional redtards espousing medieval thiling like the late Rizvi of TLP enjoy millions of supporters. This tells you about the psche of average Pakistani and that is not conductive tro modern economy.

For me Rizvi was not the scary part. Animals like him are found by the dozen even in advanced societies like UK, USA but that he actually had millions who followed him like a messiah. Scary .....

 

[Indos]

Yeah i just noticed this too.

I was looking at the HDI indicators (2021 version coming out on the 15th), i was surprised to see that the HDI for men in Bangaldesh was 0.6 odd and very similar for men in Pakistan.

But the women hdi in Bangladesh was around 0.58 but was 0.48 in Pakistan.

This is where we're lacking.

Pakistani women are not working enough so our country is not improving.

Bangladesh statistic 2019, yup quite comparable

Indonesia

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[xuxu1457]

Nothing is a single cause.
A combination of causes. Not to mention China, China is too big and special.

But China, South Korea, North Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Singapore, These countries have similar cultural backgrounds, Confucian cultural circles, no strong religious background, emphasis on education, secular society, hard work. Most East Asian experts believe that if North Korea reforms and opens up, its economy will soon take off.

Vietnam followed the Chinese reform and opening up, closer to China, and China's largest economic region, Pearl River Delta，Vietnam has been integrated into the Chinese economic chain. Vietnam imports $70 billion worth of components and raw materials from China every year, which are then processed and assembled for export.

Before ASEAN and China signed the free trade area, the GDP of the whole ASEAN was equal to that of South Korea, and now it is twice that of South Korea.

Each country will find its own place in the global economic chain and develop its own advantages. If we do not participate, we will be out of the world economic chain.

At the height of the boom, the country was preoccupied with economic development, not political strife, elections, religion. A stable political situation is conducive to enhancing investors' confidence. China,Japan, South Korea and Singapore's rapid economic development period is also a period of political stability.

Pakistan faces more problems.
1. External and internal security environment. Long-term confrontation with India and instability in neighboring countries such as Afghanistan. There are frequent terrorist attacks and tribal armed forces Inside. Security is the confidence and cornerstone of the economy.
2.Insufficient stability in political situation and policies. The government's organizational capacity is not very strong, and politics is greatly influenced by elections. Politicians spend a lot of energy campaigning rather than developing the economy.

3.The importance attached to education. If the best building in a village or town is a school rather than a mosque or a church, that's about right.

4.Religious factors, Religion should be the practice of one's own heart.It tells you what is right and what is wrong. Religion is now often used to start political battles or campaigns.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

no strong religious background, emphasis on education, secular society, hard work.

Pleae refer to my earlier post -

Reasons abbreviated -

• Too much religion.
• Too much mosque.
• Too much Mullah power.
• Too much prayers.

• Not enough education
• Not enough skill learning
• Not enough hard work ethic
• Not enough opening to the global economy
• Not being being open to new ideas

Reasons abbreviated -

• Too much religion.
• Too much mosque.
• Too much Mullah power.
• Too much prayers.

• Not enough education
• Not enough skill learning
• Not enough hard work ethic
• Not enough opening to the global economy
• Not being being open to new ideas

 

[Behram Khilji]

Incompetent leaders, corruption & marshal law is the major cause.

 

[313ghazi]

Reasons abbreviated -

• Too much religion.
• Too much mosque.
• Too much Mullah power.
• Too much prayers.

• Not enough education
• Not enough skill learning
• Not enough hard work ethic
• Not enough opening to the global economy
• Not being being open to new ideas

Do you confuse Pakistan and Iran sometimes? Its clear to everyone that Pakistans economic problems stem from massive corruption and government mismanagement. The PPP, PML and Army are solely responsible for this mess.

 

[xuxu1457]

Pleae refer to my earlier post -

Reasons abbreviated -

• Too much religion.
• Too much mosque.
• Too much Mullah power.
• Too much prayers.

• Not enough education
• Not enough skill learning
• Not enough hard work ethic
• Not enough opening to the global economy
• Not being being open to new ideas

Pakistan faces more problems.
1. External and internal security environment. Long-term confrontation with India and instability in neighboring countries such as Afghanistan. There are frequent terrorist attacks and tribal armed forces Inside. Security is the confidence and cornerstone of the economy.
2.Insufficient stability in political situation and policies. The government's organizational capacity is not very strong, and politics is greatly influenced by elections. Politicians spend a lot of energy campaigning rather than developing the economy.

3.The importance attached to education. If the best building in a village or town is a school rather than a mosque or a church, that's about right.

4.Religious factors, Religion should be the practice of one's own heart.It tells you what is right and what is wrong. Religion is now often used to start political battles or campaigns.

 

[kursed]

Yes, if Chinese companies move to Pakistan and start exporting from here, Pakistan can grow a lot like Vietnam.

We don’t have anywhere near an educated, modern skilled workforce that it’d make sense for Chinese companies to move to Pakistan - en masse.

Both Vietnamese and Indonesians have worked hard on education and building a skilled workforce for almost 15 years now, hence are far more ready to accept modern industries (shifting manufacturing lines from China) than we in Pakistan.

The lack of emphasis on education, a society that has for the most part been raised upon government-centric jobs, a rent-seeking, sheltered, subsidized private sector that has no incentive to compete at world-level, unsustainable growth in population (again fueled by religious indoctrination) that eats up the country's meager resources, and of course the politicization of religion are some of the major reasons why - in spite of all the efforts - Pakistan will not see the kind of hockey stick growth in the economy that its other Asian neighbors or even Bangladesh have witnessed. There is no rocket science to it, actually.

Every country mentioned above has fulfilled a basic criterion to be where they are at right now. We are nowhere near that. Add corruption, nepotism, and other related social issues and you can very well see why there is not much hope.

And in all honesty, in a country where you cannot tax the rich, or rentier businesses because they end up in front of the COAS asking for tax cuts, the dream that the country will see extra-ordinary economic uplift and recovery is just that, a dream.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

1. External and internal security environment. Long-term confrontation with India and instability in neighboring countries such as Afghanistan. There are frequent terrorist attacks and tribal armed forces Inside. Security is the confidence and cornerstone of the economy.

True partly. Vietnam also has conflicted relationship with China and has had terrible wars [wars with USA, French, China] to dwarf anything Pakistan has been through yet has not hel;d that country back. The terrorism you mention was direct product of Pakistan's involement in the religious jihadi project of 1980s against USSR. This again goes back to religion and use of it for political purposes and not as you state as a private regulator of good behaviour.

2.Insufficient stability in political situation and policies. The government's organizational capacity is not very strong, and politics is greatly influenced by elections. Politicians spend a lot of energy campaigning rather than developing the economy.

This is very true.

3.The importance attached to education. If the best building in a village or town is a school rather than a mosque or a church, that's about right.

In Pakistan the mosque is cornerstone of a village and prayers the best part of hard work ethic and time keeping. Everything else can go to the dogs. Schools if there are any tend to be run down buildings and sometimes even not having any teachers which are called "ghost schools". They exist on paper only.

4.Religious factors, Religion should be the practice of one's own heart.It tells you what is right and what is wrong. Religion is now often used to start political battles or campaigns.

Religion is the purveyor of force, violence, threats, intimdation, death and excuse for political power coupled with pelf.

 

[That Guy]

War, corruption, incompetence, political games over practical policies, lack of discipline among the people of Pakistan...etc.


Pakistan is cursed with having political leaders that are almost all corrupt. With an uneducated, and self serving population, these corrupt leaders can easily gain support from key players.

As for the military, they had multiple chances to fix Pakistan, but their old fashioned thinking killed those chances.

 

[xyxmt]

I wasn't talking about the forecast.

I'm talking about our growth rate in the last 30 years.

We just can't seem to grow more than 5% and if we do it's not for more than a year or two.

tax collection as bad as in Pakistan, it will never grow more than 2-3%, better growth numbers were only seen whenever we were fighting someone's war and get paid for it (Zia, Musharaf), rest of the times (PMLN and PPP) loans taken to pay for deficit between imports and exports. As time passes, more population means less export of commodities means bigger loans to makeup for deficit as seen in last PMLN era.

 

[Norwegian]

We don’t have anywhere near an educated, modern skilled workforce that it’d make sense for Chinese companies to move to Pakistan - en masse.

Then why the heck did they build so costly Cpec for? How are Pakistanis gonna pay back to China without exports? @beijingwalker

And in all honesty, in a country where you cannot tax the rich, or rentier businesses because they end up in front of the COAS asking for tax cuts, the dream that the country will see extra-ordinary economic uplift and recovery is just that, a dream

So the revolutionary Cpec was just a false promise as it won't be leading to any export growth in Pakistan? Any idea how Pakistanis are going to payback Cpec?

 

[beijingwalker]

Then why the heck did they build so costly Cpec for? How are Pakistanis gonna pay back to China without exports? @beijingwalker

So the revolutionary Cpec was just a false promise as it won't be leading to any export growth in Pakistan? Any idea how Pakistanis are going to payback Cpec?

I don't think China would let Pakistan bankrupt, China will make CEPC work one way or another, and CPEC has multiple dimentions, don't forget that corridor runs through some disputed land between India and Pakistan, CEPC put a heavy Chinese stake in it and virtually killed India's dream to take over that piece of land.