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Why Dr Qadri (PAT) and I Khan(PTI) can't save Pakistan?

A very well written and logical article that lays out plainly the core issues confronting Pakistan today. The third one especially is most relevant in the current context of the ongoing dharnas which will supposedly lead to Pakistan becoming a utopian islamo-Scandinavian welfare state and in this state corruption will end probably within 90 days if the past rhetoric of a certain politician is to be believed. It's easy to fall into the traps of these populist politicians which is why sane voices like hoodbhoy are especially needed at these times.

IK and Qadri are both liars and utopians, of course. But God forbid if we do not believe in many times tried and tested infallible angels from PPP and PMLN. LOL :D
 
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IK and Qadri are both liars and utopians, of course. But God forbid if we do not believe in many times tried and tested infallible angels from PPP and PMLN. LOL :D

No they most definitely are not and ideologically I oppose them most especially PPP. However it would be extremely naive to think that these parties do not have solid support bases which do come out on the election day and vote for them. Going against their mandates and forcing them out of office by creating anarchy is hence going against the wishes of the Pakistani people. (yes there was rigging in the election but as various observers including EU elections observers reported, this was not enough to change the course of the election).Further parties like the PPP and ANP have a valid point when they say that unlike PTI and PML(N) they could not hold rallies in the pre election phase due to Taliban and other extremist threats. That in itself is also an electoral irregularity from which the PTI and PML(N) benefited on poll day.
 
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he has already saved pakistan,what is this dumb shit
 
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A very well written and logical article that lays out plainly the core issues confronting Pakistan today. The third one especially is most relevant in the current context of the ongoing dharnas which will supposedly lead to Pakistan becoming a utopian islamo-Scandinavian welfare state and in this state corruption will end probably within 90 days if the past rhetoric of a certain politician is to be believed. It's easy to fall into the traps of these populist politicians which is why sane voices like hoodbhoy are especially needed at these times.

Well-argued as this article is, it still does not mention the fundamental flaw in Pakistan's foundations: the mixing of religion and State, which is ripe for all kinds of misuse, to the detriment of the country. Until and unless Pakistan separates the two, it is bound to struggle to find a footing in the modern world. The sad part is that the chance of that happening is simply zero.
 
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Well-argued as this article is, it still does not mention the fundamental flaw in Pakistan's foundations: the mixing of religion and State, which is ripe for all kinds of misuse, to the detriment of the country. Until and unless Pakistan separates the two, it is bound to struggle to find a footing in the modern world. The sad part is that the chance of that happening is simply zero.

No chance at all, Pakistanis like having their religion shoved in every nook and cranny where it doesn't belong.

A fine example from our very own utopia Naya Pakistan:
PTI-JI remove ‘objectionable’ material from textbooks ..Very revolutionary, indeed."
 
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Neither Qadri no Imran Khan talks about fixing our economy, neither talks about how to boost are Services Economy, neither talks about how to remove non-Islamic methods and practices in our govt institutions and how to make them truly world best.

A superb article:

Pakistan has two angry messiahs, the Maulana and the Cricketer. Maulana born in Jhang, Punjab and headquartered in Lahore belongs to a Punjabi Sial and the other one born in Lahore with Pasthun-Punjabi Niazi origins belongs from Mianwali, North Western Punjab.

Both are men of fine oratory — the former Qadri being more gifted. They promise to kick wicked leaders out of government, reward the righteous, and deliver a new Pakistan. Before a coup-plagued nation that has spent many decades under military rule, they preach to adulating under-30 crowds about the corruption of the present rulers. But neither dares to touch Pakistan’s real issues. Both are careful to castigate only the corruption of civilians; there is nary a word about the others.

In this age of discontent, assorted demagogues have mastered the art of mobilising the credulous masses.

Corruption, say the Maulana and the Cricketer, is Pakistan’s central problem. Utopia will come if honest and pious men — perhaps themselves — are in power. But is crookedness and dishonesty the real issue? Countries which are perfectly viable and livable may still have corrupt governments.

So then, what are Pakistan’s real problems today? If the lives of Pakistanis are to be improved, what is it that really needs to be done?

First, address the population problem.
Demographers estimate the expected number of Pakistanis in 2030 at a staggering 300 million, which must be compared with 28 million in 1947 as well as the current population of 180 million. This growth is the second highest among major Muslim countries in the world.

Even if we miraculously acquire the most perfect of political systems, it may be impossible to provide most Pakistanis with employment, education, food, housing, electricity, water, and a clean environment. Short of renting another planet, there is no way that the constraints of fixed land and water can be overcome.

This emergency situation demands that population planning must be reinstated and contraceptives be made freely available. Once upon a time, Pakistan had a population planning organisation. But it has essentially folded up in the face of religious opposition. The Jamaat-e-Islami’s party manifesto, and those of other religious parties, specifically forbids family planning.

As for the Taliban: they suspect that polio vaccines are designed to reduce Muslim fertility and so have issued dire threats. Last month, the TTP brought the immunisation programme to a halt by murdering five women and a man who were administering the shots in Karachi. So, instead of getting claps and cheers, our messiahs might have to face bullets and bombs should they dare to rally people around this real issue.

Second, the terrorism of religious militias must be confronted head-on. Their daily slaughter of Pakistani soldiers and citizens, and recently the Hazara Shias, elicits only the barest whimper of protest in the media or the public. In shameful surrender, there is talk of negotiating with terrorist groups. The lesson of Swat — where kowtowing to Sufi Mohammed’s ever-escalating demands led to increased ferocity from the other side — is forgotten.

The army and the state stand in muddled confusion. They know they should actually negotiate only from a position of strength and not in their condition of weakness. Unfortunately they cannot summon the courage to do this. The Maulana is silent on this critical matter, but the Cricketer prefers to attack those who might target Pakistan’s enemies. He would rather shoot at the drones than the terrorists.

Third, the promise of the messiahs that they shall bring prosperity to everyone by somehow equalising the distribution of wealth is fake and dishonest, and un-implementable. One would certainly welcome extending the tax net, and doing so would be a huge achievement.

But to actually bring prosperity, wealth must be created rather than simply expropriated from somewhere. The only party that seems to give this any consideration is the PML-N. But industrial progress and a post-agricultural economy require cultural change, and so Pakistani society will need to transition from being a progress-unfriendly culture to one that welcomes and promotes progress. From the time of the 19th century German sociologist Max Weber, social scientists have observed that culture and progress go hand-in-hand.

Progress-friendly cultures demand planning, punctuality, deferred gratification, belief in rationality, and the rule of law. Without acquiring these features, wealth generation is slow and uncertain. Fortunately, as it turned out, the ‘million-man march’ turned out to be a damp squib. Its victory would have resulted in indefinite postponement of the forthcoming national elections and Pakistan would have returned to a dreary tradition where no government has successfully completed its term in office. During the occupation, messiah-junior was caught in a dilemma. Eclipsed by his senior and unable to join in the demand for postponement, he now seeks to clamber his way back into the public eye.

Pakistan’s restless young are out on the streets demanding change, but they must not become pawns of fake messiahs. The fist-shaking, rostrum-pounding orations of Maulana Qadri and Cricketer Khan are empty thunder; they offer nothing real. Of course, the D-Chowk youth rightly protested Pakistan’s pseudo-democracy and its venal and incompetent civilian leaders. But the military’s attempt to landscape national politics — which is probably what rocketed the Maulana into his present prominence — could be disastrous and would go the way of the army’s past failed interventions.

At a time when Pakistan is seriously threatened by internal terror, the military would do well to perform its real duty which is that of protecting Pakistan’s people.
 
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Pakistan’s restless young are out on the streets demanding change, but they must not become pawns of fake messiahs
Hahaha. Now I know how trollish you are. For you its better that Pakistan's youth, that is more than 60 percent of total population should run to real Messiahs to save them. That is Zardari family and Sharif family, where both are known billionaires and corruptocrats.
 
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The youth of almost all countries is just a bunch of useless and hypocritical jerks. How the hell can a college or university student ever understand our real problems. Students have no freaking idea about how the REAL WORLD works. Their thoughts and ideas are worthless.

Their tuition fees, clothing and food are being paid for by their parents. They have no right to demand anything. The police should smash their heads.

Look what happened in China, the so-called youth was crushed under tanks by the PLA when they too were asking for some nonsense TABDEELI.
 
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The youth of almost all countries is just a bunch of useless and hypocritical jerks. How the hell can a college or university student ever understand our real problems. Students have no freaking idea about how the REAL WORLD works. Their thoughts and ideas are worthless.

Really? So why send them to a college or university in the first place if they are not taught how the world really works there, hypocrite?

Their tuition fees, clothing and food are being paid for by their parents. They have no right to demand anything. The police should smash their heads.

What are you, a fascist?

Look what happened in China, the so-called youth was crushed under tanks by the PLA when they too were asking for some nonsense TABDEELI.

So you want Chinese oppression in command in every country? Remember Students revolution in France 1968 that changed social and political landscape of Europe?
May 1968 events in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The youth of almost all countries is just a bunch of useless and hypocritical jerks. How the hell can a college or university student ever understand our real problems. Students have no freaking idea about how the REAL WORLD works. Their thoughts and ideas are worthless.

Their tuition fees, clothing and food are being paid for by their parents. They have no right to demand anything. The police should smash their heads.

Look what happened in China, the so-called youth was crushed under tanks by the PLA when they too were asking for some nonsense TABDEELI.
Don't agree with that, no matter what your thoughts about Modi are but the youth voted for him. It all about striking the right cords. We literally rejected the family politics and gave a chance to someone who promised us a better life, and if he fails to provide it you will see him getting thrown out of power in the next elections.
 
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