Why do most people on Pakistani news channels call India as "Hindustan"?

[MayaBazar]

sir, I'm talking facts which you fail to realize or your just trolling.

Why is it so hard for Persians to pronounce Sindhu as sindhu when they everyday pronounce words like Shia Sunni etc.

For the same reason as:

Why some say "Kapra" while others say "Kapda"

Why some say "Zamaana" while others say "Jamaana"

@El Sidd @Joe Shearer

Ancient Indians and Iranians were brothers just like the contemporary Indians and Pakistanis.

@padamchen

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It has everything to do with the origins of Pakistan. You need to read it first. Please don't talk of misinformation until you have suitably read up on the basics.



Land records at the original times, but not later; everything was converted to English. Also not court judgements, and not acts of government. So what is left?

You still haven't told me about your own credentials.



Not funny.

The very first piece of evidence that you were asked to go through was promptly swept aside, so clearly there is no point in submitting evidence to you. Anything that does not satisfy your predetermined conclusion is to be ignored. That is why I am compelled to ask where you are coming from: clearly not from any academic background, and clearly without the ability to marshal evidence and present it, other than to copy and paste stuff.



For your information, I have read Aitzaz Ahsan thoroughly, and have deeply appreciated the brilliant adaptation for the common man in the street that @Indus Pakistan has done. I do not agree with it, but I believe that it is a vital link for Pakistan as a country and as a community. It is not something new to me. My knowledge about the subject goes slightly beyond this.

No history is beyond questioning. We have histories. what is of import that Pakistan as a state builds up a solid narrative. Myth if you will. All states do this as non were incubated in the cradle of gods but are purely human constructs.

We have issues. I give you example of this turd Salmonov annoying me by claiming we are lesser because we are converts and that we have prior antecedents. He ignores that all people have a antecedent that existed before the present status quo. He thinks his 'mixing' is halal but ours is not. Iraqi's are not natively Arab but were invaded by Arabs. The native Babylonians were subjected to massive change and colonization giving existence to the mashup that is Iraq today.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/from...stani-nationalism.668613/page-8#post-12379705

 

[W.11]

Bharat or Bharat varsh/ Bharat Kshetra is not the name of entire country of India, according to Hathigumpha inscription Bharat vasa or Bharat varsh only meant the region of india west of Magadha

the real name of India was jambudvipa (mentioned by ashoka).

so even the name of india by indians is a wrong one

regards

 

[El Sidd]

For the same reason as:

Why some say "Kapra" while others say "Kapda"

Why some say "Zamaana" while others say "Jamaana"

@El Sidd @Joe Shearer

Ancient Indians and Iranians were brothers just like the contemporary Indians and Pakistanis.

@padamchen

Sure let Cain kill Abel again

For the same reason as:

Why some say "Kapra" while others say "Kapda"

Why some say "Zamaana" while others say "Jamaana"

@El Sidd @Joe Shearer

Ancient Indians and Iranians were brothers just like the contemporary Indians and Pakistanis.

@padamchen

In the end i will claim Gondwana as a refugee. Nobody has time for this Indo Aryan crap

 

[Joe Shearer]

No history is beyond questioning. We have histories. what is of import that Pakistan as a state builds up a solid narrative. Myth if you will. All states do this as non were incubated in the cradle of gods but are purely human constructs.

We have issues. I give you example of this turd Salmonov annoying me by claiming we are lesser because we are converts and that we have prior antecedents. He ignores that all people have a antecedent that existed before the present status quo. He thinks his 'mixing' is halal but ours is not. Iraqi's are not natively Arab but were invaded by Arabs. The native Babylonians were subjected to massive change and colonization giving existence to the mashup that is Iraq today.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/from...stani-nationalism.668613/page-8#post-12379705

I can share this with you as with very, very few others. Since you are in the UK, do see if you can get your hands on this book: Thucydides Mythistoricus, by Francis M. Cornford (be careful; FrancEs M. Cornford was his wife and an equally formidable scholar). I can promise you that you will laugh until you have tears in your eyes when you get what he's driving at. I read it more than fifty years ago and the man's scholarship and mastery of his subject awed me then and sends a shiver up my spine even today.

Just a hint (I can't help it; it's too tempting): the book is in two parts - Thucydides Historicus, and Thucydides Mythicus.

As for Salmonov, ignore him; Iraq is a palimpsest on a palimpsest on a palimpsest - a dozen cultures are in that mashup as you have termed it. The whole panoply of Semitic gods flourished here, and I shall stop here, to avoid giving offence to the strait-laced and prudish of religion.

I think you should post more often. It gets bloody lonely out here, except for a handful of military professionals who are a breath of fresh air.

Bharat or Bharat varsh/ Bharat Kshetra is not the name of entire country of India, according to Hathigumpha inscription Bharat vasa or Bharat varsh only meant the region of india west of Magadha

the real name of India was jambudvipa (mentioned by ashoka).

so even the name of india by indians is a wrong one

regards

Heh, heh; no, not so. But let the arch-Hindus have a go first.

 

[W.11]

Hinduism has been called the oldest religion in the world

maybe, but what about the australian aboriginals practicing a religion which can be dated to the stone ages?

regards

Heh, heh; no, sweetheart

this was unexpected cheap tongue from a member like you

regards

 

[Joe Shearer]

maybe, but what about the australian aboriginals practicing a religion which can be dated to the stone ages?

regards



this was unexpected cheap tongue from a member like you

regards

Hey, I'm sorry. Intended in jest. I'm editing the post. Why are you so sensitive?

 

[Cliftonite]

Interesting question.

I didn't like Hindi at school; in a Sainik School, it is mandatory to learn it, and all house, class and NCC commands were in it. But there was an elaborate explanation given by our long-suffering Hindi teacher, which had to do with the gradual growth of influence of a set of Hindi writers from central and western UP.

If you like, I'll bone up on the subject and tell you.

This dates back to as recently as the 19th century. The normal lingua franca was Hindustani, that could be spoken with more Sanskrit words or with more Urdu words, and was common to all between the Yamuna and Bihar. This is why Gandhi got so distraught at the increasing Sanskritisation of Hindi, and kept pleading for Hindustani.

I think the Ganga Jamuna doab region should be a testament to coexistence and harmony. It has both Hinduism's holy places like Prayagraj and Varanasi, and also the birthplace of Mughal culture like Lucknow and Agra. It's understandable why Hindustani came to be a lingua franca from that region.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@W.11

Go back to my post please.

I think the Ganga Jamuna doab region should be a testament to coexistence and harmony. It has both Hinduism's holy places like Prayagraj and Varanasi, and also the birthplace of Mughal culture like Lucknow and Agra. It's understandable why Hindustani came to be a lingua franca from that region.

It WAS, and it will continue to be, if not roiled up by trouble-makers. What do they call it, @Naofumi? Ganga-Jamuni tehzeeb?

 

[xeuss]

I think the Ganga Jamuna doab region should be a testament to coexistence and harmony. It has both Hinduism's holy places like Prayagraj and Varanasi, and also the birthplace of Mughal culture like Lucknow and Agra. It's understandable why Hindustani came to be a lingua franca from that region.

Prayagraj? You mean Allahabad?

 

[W.11]

Prayagraj? You mean Allahabad?

Prayagraj was only a pilgrimage cite, the city itself was founded by Akber, btw the name was not allahabad, but ilahabas etc, Allahabad was changed by shah jahan.

regards

I think the Ganga Jamuna doab region should be a testament to coexistence and harmony. It has both Hinduism's holy places like Prayagraj and Varanasi, and also the birthplace of Mughal culture like Lucknow and Agra. It's understandable why Hindustani came to be a lingua franca from that region.

debated, why was magadhi prakrit the lingua franca during the time of ashoka?

regards

 

[Cliftonite]

Prayagraj? You mean Allahabad?

Lol yes. I deliberately used Prayagraj cause of the context.

 

[Naofumi]

I think the Ganga Jamuna doab region should be a testament to coexistence and harmony. It has both Hinduism's holy places like Prayagraj and Varanasi, and also the birthplace of Mughal culture like Lucknow and Agra. It's understandable why Hindustani came to be a lingua franca from that region.

I think co-existence have little to do with it (which is debatable too), more with being the population centre of the Empire, the first marital alliance came from the Delhi region - Khanzada Jamal Khan's elder daughter with Humayun (and younger daughter being married to Behram Khan), in fact all of the marital and even martial alliances came from people who can be broadly called 'Hindi speaking'.
The language being Lingua franca is a direct result of that as Lingua franca is spoken by the elites and adopted by the masses.
Below is an interesting account of Akbar speaking Hindustani, probably the first Mughal to do so.

 

[Cliftonite]

@Naofumi @Joe Shearer I'm intrigued why the western part and the eastern part of the subcontinent ended up Muslim while the middle, the Gangetic plain and the centre of power of the Muslim rulers remained Hindu.

No history is beyond questioning. We have histories. what is of import that Pakistan as a state builds up a solid narrative. Myth if you will. All states do this as non were incubated in the cradle of gods but are purely human constructs.

We have issues. I give you example of this turd Salmonov annoying me by claiming we are lesser because we are converts and that we have prior antecedents. He ignores that all people have a antecedent that existed before the present status quo. He thinks his 'mixing' is halal but ours is not. Iraqi's are not natively Arab but were invaded by Arabs. The native Babylonians were subjected to massive change and colonization giving existence to the mashup that is Iraq today.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/from...stani-nationalism.668613/page-8#post-12379705

Just a small glimpse of the racism these Western Asians impose on us al Hindoos because we are more brown than them. We need to have some self respect and show the middle finger.

 

[W.11]

I think co-existence have little to do with it (which is debatable too), more with being the population centre of the Empire, the first marital alliance came from the Delhi region - Khanzada Jamal Khan's elder daughter with Humayun (and younger daughter being married to Behram Khan), in fact all of the marital and even martial alliances came from people who can be broadly called 'Hindi speaking'.
The language being Lingua franca is a direct result of that as Lingua franca is spoken by the elites and adopted by the masses.
Below is an interesting account of Akbar speaking Hindustani, probably the first Mughal to do so.
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does Kandu transliterate to modern day G term?

regards