Why do most people on Pakistani news channels call India as "Hindustan"?

[Joe Shearer]

How so?

Interesting question.

I didn't like Hindi at school; in a Sainik School, it is mandatory to learn it, and all house, class and NCC commands were in it. But there was an elaborate explanation given by our long-suffering Hindi teacher, which had to do with the gradual growth of influence of a set of Hindi writers from central and western UP.

If you like, I'll bone up on the subject and tell you.

This dates back to as recently as the 19th century. The normal lingua franca was Hindustani, that could be spoken with more Sanskrit words or with more Urdu words, and was common to all between the Yamuna and Bihar. This is why Gandhi got so distraught at the increasing Sanskritisation of Hindi, and kept pleading for Hindustani.

 

[MM_Haider]

Hindustan was the name given by the Persians- Jinnah called India as Hindustan-you are correct, thats his choice- GOI- Government of India- Thats the key.Hindustan. हिंदुस्तान .This name has been awarded by Arabs . Interestingly, the religion Hinduism also termed by Arabs. The area inhabited by Hindu called Hindustan.(Unfortunately for you India has Muslims/Chritians etc etc- as well)

Considering republic of India's history in past seven decades it is evident that it is only meant for Hindus ... minorities have no place here ..

Absolutely wrong statement, Pakistani areas always had their own strong local identities. Our ancestors never called themselves as indians or our local areas as "india" or any crap like that. These are all names given by bloody foreigners not by our own ancestors.

Word India is derived from the word Indus (civilization) emanating from Indus river which flows through present day Pakistan.. whole region was called India .. just like Asia is a region with different countries in it .. similarly in India there were different states .. I hope it clarifies your confusion..

Interesting question.

I didn't like Hindi at school; in a Sainik School, it is mandatory to learn it, and all house, class and NCC commands were in it. But there was an elaborate explanation given by our long-suffering Hindi teacher, which had to do with the gradual growth of influence of a set of Hindi writers from central and western UP.

If you like, I'll bone up on the subject and tell you.

This dates back to as recently as the 19th century. The normal lingua franca was Hindustani, that could be spoken with more Sanskrit words or with more Urdu words, and was common to all between the Yamuna and Bihar. This is why Gandhi got so distraught at the increasing Sanskritisation of Hindi, and kept pleading for Hindustani.

Urdu was lingua franca of Northern Indian states Including today's Pakistan and Indian Punjab Area.. all police record and land record was maintained in URDU .. in fact Urdu Hindi was main conflict which culminated into a separate country - Pakistan.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Considering republic of India's history in past seven decades it is evident that it is only meant for Hindus ... minorities have no place here ..

Opinions - everyone has one. Why not you?

Word India is derived from the word Indus (civilization) emanating from Indus river which flows through present day Pakistan.. whole region was called India .. just like Asia is a region with different countries in it .. similarly in India there were different states .. I hope it clarifies your confusion..

Strikingly original. You must publish this discovery.

Urdu was lingua franca of Northern Indian states Including today's Pakistan and Indian Punjab Area.. all police record and land record was maintained in URDU .. in fact Urdu Hindi was main conflict which culminated into a separate country - Pakistan.

Only for the Punjab. The Urdu Hindi conflict was elsewhere and had little or no connection with Pakistan.

 

[MM_Haider]

Opinions - everyone has one. Why not you?

it is based on facts and data.. not an opinion. want to discuss in detail. be my guest.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/history-of-genocide-of-muslims-in-india.667999/

Strikingly original. You must publish this discovery.

a lot of research work is already available on this. If this is news for you doesn't mean it is not fact. for example, you can google for more references.

 

[Joe Shearer]

it is based on facts and data.. not an opinion. want to discuss in detail. be my guest.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/history-of-genocide-of-muslims-in-india.667999/

I am already familiar with the history of communal rioting in India. This nowhere proves that India was inhospitable to Muslims UNTIL the Modi Government took over. I agree that the situation has deteriorated, but it is still not a situation where one community is disenfranchised.

 

[MM_Haider]

Only for the Punjab. The Urdu Hindi conflict was elsewhere and had little or no connection with Pakistan.

Punjab, United Provinces, Bihar, Agra, Hyderabad even Bengal had Urdu as official language..

 

[Joe Shearer]

it is based on facts and data.. not an opinion. want to discuss in detail. be my guest.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/history-of-genocide-of-muslims-in-india.667999/

a lot of research work is already available on this. If this is news for you doesn't mean it is not fact. for example, you can google for more references.

Much of it is historically inaccurate. I have refrained from commenting on it for the sole reason that the concept offers a genuine 'ideology' for Pakistan, and I would be lothe to disturb such a positive development.

But the whole idea of the Indus being exclusive to a set of people, and their forming a coherent whole, and finally taking shape as a nation-state is fundamentally flawed.

 

[MM_Haider]

I am already familiar with the history of communal rioting in India. This nowhere proves that India was inhospitable to Muslims UNTIL the Modi Government took over. I agree that the situation has deteriorated, but it is still not a situation where one community is disenfranchised.

that's my point is. Republic of India has been hostile to Muslims for the past seven decades. Laws like CAA have already put the last nail in the coffin of so called secularism.. Muslims have no place in today's India.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Punjab, United Provinces, Bihar, Agra, Hyderabad even Bengal had Urdu as official language..

Thoroughly wrong.

It was Persian until 1842, except for the Punjab, and English thereafter. I really don't know where you are getting your facts from.

that's my point is. Republic of India has been hostile to Muslims for the past seven decades. Laws like CAA have already put the last nail in the coffin of so called secularism.. Muslims have no place in today's India.

As I have already said, your opinion. It has as much value as the next person's.

 

[MM_Haider]

Much of it is historically inaccurate. I have refrained from commenting on it for the sole reason that the concept offers a genuine 'ideology' for Pakistan, and I would be lothe to disturb such a positive development.

But the whole idea of the Indus being exclusive to a set of people, and their forming a coherent whole, and finally taking shape as a nation-state is fundamentally flawed.

first you said that it was just an opinion when I shared research you are resorting to meaningless verbose. This doesn't necessarily prove ideology of Pakistan but a distinction from rest of he area .. it explains that Pakistan is not a country carved out of present day India (as taught in your school) ... it had a distinction of its own.. and the word India or Hind which arose of Indus or Sindh.. you need to read more

 

[Joe Shearer]

first you said that it was just an opinion when I shared research you are resorting to meaningless verbose.

It is not meaningless verbosity; it is an informed opinion born out of extensive research and knowledge.

This doesn't necessarily prove ideology of Pakistan but a distinction from rest of he area .. it explains that Pakistan is not a country carved out of present day India (as taught in your school) ... it had a distinction of its own.. and the word India or Hind which arose of Indus or Sindh.. you need to read more

First, this is not taught in my school, and was never taught in my school. It is my independent conclusion from studying the India Independence Act. I strongly recommend that you read it for yourself, rather than getting emotional about it. It had NO distinction whatsoever, except that defined by the All India Muslim League.

As for your derivation of the word India, you are perfectly correct in defining its origin, and perfectly wrong in defining its development and coverage.

I have been reading on the subject for 53 years now; trust me, there is nothing much left to be read for me.

 

[MM_Haider]

Thoroughly wrong.

It was Persian until 1842, except for the Punjab, and English thereafter. I really don't know where you are getting your facts from.

your assertion that it was only in Punjab is proven wrong.. after Persion it was Urdu as lingua franca .. The Hindi Urdu conflict started in 1867 when Hindus of UP, Agra and other places joined hands to start movement against Urdu. You need to read history.

As I have already said, your opinion. It has as much value as the next person's.

I have already invited you discuss it separately on another thread .. don't forget to bring data with you!

 

[Joe Shearer]

your assertion that it was only in Punjab is proven wrong.. after Persion it was Urdu as lingua franca ..

I can assure you that this is absolutely incorrect. The language of administration from 1842 onwards was English. There is a difference between a lingua franca and an official language of administration.

The Hindi Urdu conflict started in 1867 when Hindus of UP, Agra and other places joined hands to start movement against Urdu. You need to read history.

In fact, this is a separate issue from the official language. It is not enough to read history, as I have done, and to have taken an advanced degree in the subject; it is also necessary to understand the context.

I have the advantage of academic study of the subject. Might I enquire, what is your academic background?

 

[MM_Haider]

First, this is not taught in my school, and was never taught in my school. It is my independent conclusion from studying the India Independence Act. I strongly recommend that you read it for yourself, rather than getting emotional about it. It had NO distinction whatsoever, except that defined by the All India Muslim League.

As for your derivation of the word India, you are perfectly correct in defining its origin, and perfectly wrong in defining its development and coverage.

I have been reading on the subject for 53 years now; trust me, there is nothing much left to be read for me.

Independence of India Act has nothing to do with origins of Pakistan ... it is a separate research to explain to delusional Indians that Pakistan was not carved out of present day India. good for you i there is nothing much left for you to read but here you won't go un-challenged if you spread misinformation.

I can assure you that this is absolutely incorrect. The language of administration from 1842 onwards was English. There is a difference between a lingua franca and an official language of administration.

All official records were maintained in Urdu after Persian in Northern India not only Punjab. So your first assertion is wrong. secondly I know the difference between Lingua Franca and Official Language.

In fact, this is a separate issue from the official language. It is not enough to read history, as I have done, and to have taken an advanced degree in the subject; it is also necessary to understand the context.

I have the advantage of academic study of the subject. Might I enquire, what is your academic background?

Instead of bringing data to prove your point you are trying to resort to appeal to authority. this is funny.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Independence of India Act has nothing to do with origins of Pakistan ... it is a separate research to explain to delusional Indians that Pakistan was not carved out of present day India. good for you i there is nothing much left for you to read but here you won't go un-challenged if you spread misinformation.

It has everything to do with the origins of Pakistan. You need to read it first. Please don't talk of misinformation until you have suitably read up on the basics.

All official records were maintained in Urdu after Persian in Northern India not only Punjab. So your first assertion is wrong. secondly I know the difference between Lingua Franca and Official Language.

Land records at the original times, but not later; everything was converted to English. Also not court judgements, and not acts of government. So what is left?

You still haven't told me about your own credentials.

Independence of India Act has nothing to do with origins of Pakistan ... it is a separate research to explain to delusional Indians that Pakistan was not carved out of present day India. good for you i there is nothing much left for you to read but here you won't go un-challenged if you spread misinformation.


All official records were maintained in Urdu after Persian in Northern India not only Punjab. So your first assertion is wrong. secondly I know the difference between Lingua Franca and Official Language.


Instead of bringing data to prove your point you are trying to resort to appeal to authority. this is funny.

Not funny.

The very first piece of evidence that you were asked to go through was promptly swept aside, so clearly there is no point in submitting evidence to you. Anything that does not satisfy your predetermined conclusion is to be ignored. That is why I am compelled to ask where you are coming from: clearly not from any academic background, and clearly without the ability to marshal evidence and present it, other than to copy and paste stuff.

it is based on facts and data.. not an opinion. want to discuss in detail. be my guest.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/history-of-genocide-of-muslims-in-india.667999/


a lot of research work is already available on this. If this is news for you doesn't mean it is not fact. for example, you can google for more references.

For your information, I have read Aitzaz Ahsan thoroughly, and have deeply appreciated the brilliant adaptation for the common man in the street that @Indus Pakistan has done. I do not agree with it, but I believe that it is a vital link for Pakistan as a country and as a community. It is not something new to me. My knowledge about the subject goes slightly beyond this.