Why Chengdu J-10C 4.5th Gen Fighter Can Easily Eat Alive F-16 Block 52 ?

[Scorpiooo]

In case of Taiwan Island Conflict Air Battle between China's Air Force Chengdu J-10C vs ROCAF F-16 Block 52, it will be an easy prey for J-10C pilots to shot down their enemy. It shows us, that Chinese Air Force (Chengdu J-10C) can easily decimated ROCAF (F-16 Block 52) very easily.


The most 2 Fatal Disadvantages of ROCAF F-16 Block 52 compared to China's Air Force Chengdu J-10C are :

1. F-16 Block 52 still using Old Generation AN/APG-68 Pulse Doppler Radar compared to much more Sophisticated KLJ-10 AESA Radar from NRIET onboard Chengdu J-10C



Old Generation AN/APG-68 Pulse Doppler Radar
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KLJ-10 AESA Radar from NRIET onboard Chengdu J-10C
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F-16 Block 52 still using Pulse Doppler Radar meanwhile Chengdu J-10C already using more sophisticated AESA Radar Technology.




2. For BVR Engagements F-16 Block 52 using AIM-120D Amraam with Max Operational Range of only 160Km, meanwhile Chengdu J-10C using PL-15 BVR Missile with Max Operational Range of more than 300Km


F-16 Block 52 using AIM-120D Amraam with Max Operational Range of only 160Km
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Chengdu J-10C using PL-15 BVR Missile with Max Operational Range of more than 300Km
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So with more Sophisticated AESA Radar, and more longer range BVR Missile, of course China's Air Force Chengdu J-10C can Detect & Shot ROCAF F-16 Block 52 long before F-16 pilots detect or even have a chance to shot J-10C.


In Modern Air Battle, the One that can Detect & Shot enemy first is the One that can Win the Battle

J10C can be better from F16s block 52 or less, but one thing is sure AIM-120 serious are battles proven for accuracy and PL 15 (on peper better) have to be yet tested in bettle for accuracy

 

[White and Green with M/S]

meanwhile Chengdu J-10C using PL-15 BVR Missile with Max Operational Range of more than

300 km range of pl-15 is wrong most defense websites stated it has a range of 200 km, May be its has a extra capability to intercept AWACS/IRS ànd tankers at 300 km but definitely not against fighter jets because fighter jets have a much lower RCS than AWACS/ISR ànd tankers at longer range

J10C can be better from F16s block 52 or less, but one thing is sure AIM-120 serious are battles proven fod accuracy and PL 15 (on peper better) have to be tested in bettle for accuracy

But remember brother pl-15 have AESA seeker which is more resistance against jamming and deception from the enemy fighter jets

 

[Daniel808]

J10C can be better from F16s block 52 or less, but one thing is sure AIM-120 serious are battles proven fod accuracy and PL 15 (on peper better) have to be tested in bettle for accuracy

Yes, hopefully Pakistan can test PL-15 against India. Just like JF-17.

But one fact to notes,
PL-15 AAM already using Dual-Pulse Rocket Technology which extend missile range compared to Conventional one, like AIM-120D

 

[iLION12345_1]

300 km range of pl-15 is wrong most defense websites stated it has a range of 200 km, May be its has a extra capability to intercept AWACS/IRS ànd tankers at 300 km but definitely not against fighter jets because fighter jets have a much lower RCS than AWACS/ISR ànd tankers at longer range

Impossible for it to go 300 or even 200KM, it would physically run out of propellant before that, it’s not big enough nor has China made such a revolutionary efficient engine to take it that far. Even if it could go that far, it would not hit anything beyond 120-140KM, regardless of size.

It’s range is probably comparable to AIM120C7 and maybe AIM 120D and Meteor. The only way it could go that far is in a glide trajectory like the R37 can do. But that is a bigger missile and PL-15 is not known to have this capability.

 

[Daniel808]

300 km range of pl-15 is wrong most defense websites stated it has a range of 200 km, May be its has a extra capability to intercept AWACS/IRS ànd tankers at 300 km but definitely not against fighter jets because fighter jets have a much lower RCS than AWACS/ISR ànd tankers at longer range

But remember brother pl-15 have AESA seeker which is more resistance against jamming and deception from the enemy fighter jets

That's your personal assumption..
But still 200Km is much longer range than 160Km AIM-120D


I think you getting confused between PL-15 with PL-20.

The one that have longer range and using Semi-ballistic trajectory to ambush AWACS and Tankers is PL-20 AAM

PL-20 AAM

Impossible for it to go 300 or even 200KM, it would physically run out of propellant before that, it’s not big enough nor has China made such a revolutionary efficient engine to take it that far. Even if it could go that far, it would not hit anything beyond 120-140KM, regardless of size.

It’s range is probably comparable to AIM120C7 and maybe AIM 120D and Meteor. The only way it could go that far is in a glide trajectory like the R37 can do. But that is a bigger missile and PL-15 is not known to have this capability.

Again, you using Amraam to make assumption of PL-15 AAM.

While ignoring the fact that PL-15 AAM already using Dual-Pulse Rocket Technology which extend their range compared to Conventional AIM-120D

 

[White and Green with M/S]

That's your personal assumption..
But still 200Km is much longer range than 160Km AIM-120D


I think you getting confused between PL-15 with PL-20.

The one that have longer range and using Semi-ballistic trajectory to ambush AWACS and Tankers is PL-20 AAM

PL-20 AAM
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Again, you using Amraam to make assumption of PL-15 AAM.

While ignoring the fact that PL-15 AAM already using Dual-Pulse Rocket Technology which extend their range compared to Conventional AIM-120D

Brother so you're right ànd world most respected defense websites saying wrong
Ànd AMRAAM is also using dual pulse rocket engines, this is not a new technology but BVR using since 70 aim-7 ànd R-27 using dual pulse rocket engines since 70s

 

[iLION12345_1]

That's your personal assumption..
But still 200Km is much longer range than 160Km AIM-120D


I think you getting confused between PL-15 with PL-20.

The one that have longer range and using Semi-ballistic trajectory to ambush AWACS and Tankers is PL-20 AAM

PL-20 AAM
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PL21 is the correct designation. With that trajectory it’s range is nothing special either. The size is too small to give it better range than what’s already been on the market for decades with the Russian And American missiles. It is comparable to them though, a very impressive missile, one of the worlds best, but better than the competition? I doubt.

200KM versus 160KM is no difference. BVRs will not be used past 100KM as you’d hit nothing, even 100 is too far. What matters is the rest of the missiles tech and their accuracy (plus their no escape-zone).
Neither of these ranges are confirmed by any reliable source, so they’re not the real ranges for either missile.
So far AIM120 is much more proven. Not to mention AIM-260 is on the horizon.

You are obviously extremely China biased with little to no knowledge about how this stuff actually works. Chinese tech is great, just like American tech. But Chinese tech is improving rapidly, it will only take this decade at most for China to surpass most of what the west makes. Which is very impressive speed.

For now, on paper they are all comparable, not so magically better as you want to make it out. Chinese tech has a lot more to prove though, and I believe it will. Just not at the hand of fanboys like you. American tech is proven.

That's your personal assumption..
But still 200Km is much longer range than 160Km AIM-120D


I think you getting confused between PL-15 with PL-20.

The one that have longer range and using Semi-ballistic trajectory to ambush AWACS and Tankers is PL-20 AAM

PL-20 AAM
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Again, you using Amraam to make assumption of PL-15 AAM.

While ignoring the fact that PL-15 AAM already using Dual-Pulse Rocket Technology which extend their range compared to Conventional AIM-120D

Dual-pulse rocket technology is nothing new. You have no knowledge about anything apart from your clear bias. My assumptions carry far more weight than your fake sources because they’re realistic. China can’t do magic, they can’t beat the laws of physics, if the missile is smaller, it’s not going as far.


PS: the American AIM54 could reach 200KM back in the 70s

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Dual-pulse rocket technology is nothing new. You have no knowledge about anything apart from your clear bias. My assumptions carry far more weight than your fake sources because they’re realistic. China can’t do magic, they can’t beat the laws of physics, if the missile is smaller, it’s not going as far.

Sir, @Daniel808 just posting from some random sources and not doing research before posting

and sir PL 20 or whatever you name it, its a very big missile, 20 feet long and J20 is not able to carry its internal bays but on its external hard points

and @Daniel808 i am not talking about PL 20 but PL15

 

[Daniel808]

PL21 is the correct designation. With that trajectory it’s range is nothing special either. The size is too small to give it better range than what’s already been on the market for decades with the Russian And American missiles. It is comparable to them though, a very impressive missile, one of the worlds best, but better than the competition? I doubt.

200KM versus 160KM is no difference. BVRs will not be used past 100KM as you’d hit nothing, even 100 is too far. What matters is the rest of the missiles tech and their accuracy (plus their no escape-zone).
Neither of these ranges are confirmed by any reliable source, so they’re not the real ranges for either missile.
So far AIM120 is much more proven. Not to mention AIM-260 is on the horizon.

You are obviously extremely China biased with little to no knowledge about how this stuff actually works. Chinese tech is great, just like American tech. But Chinese tech is improving rapidly, it will only take this decade at most for China to surpass most of what the west makes. Which is very impressive speed.

For now, on paper they are all comparable, not so magically better as you want to make it out. Chinese tech has a lot more to prove though, and I believe it will. Just not at the hand of fanboys like you. American tech is proven.

Dual-pulse rocket technology is nothing new. You have no knowledge about anything apart from your clear bias. My assumptions carry far more weight than your fake sources because they’re realistic. China can’t do magic, they can’t beat the laws of physics, if the missile is smaller, it’s not going as far.

Again you are wrong..you badly need to update your info regarding Chinese Military Developments.


PL-21 is the one with ramjet

Again you are wrong..
The same size doesn't mean same range.

Whatever the case, in 2017, the JATM program office hired Lockheed Martin to develop the new air-to-air missile. Otherwise, there are still few details about the design. Genatempo did say that the AIM-260 will not use a ramjet, the European Meteor air-to-air missile does, and will have a similar form factor to the existing AIM-120, but did not explain how it would then be possible then to achieve a significant increase in range, according to Aerospace Daily.

It is possible that advances in rocket motor and warhead technology may be enough to provide a considerable boost in range when combined with a new, streamlined body. For example, Northrop Grumman's AGM-88G Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range (AARGM-ER) leverages similar developments, including a warhead that offers improved lethality in a smaller package, to create space for additional rocket fuel.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...nd-navys-future-long-range-air-to-air-missile

And you still ignoring that PL-15 AAM using Dual-Pulse Rocket Motor which extend the range of the missile compared to Conventional AIM-120D


The one that barking much and accuse other's using fake info. Meanwhile, claiming their personal assumption is holy. Is the one with No Knowledge in this matters







So according to you all sources that claimed PL-15 Missile much superior than their US counterparts is FAKE

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...nd-navys-future-long-range-air-to-air-missile

Brother so you're right ànd world most respected defense websites saying wrong
Ànd AMRAAM is also using dual pulse rocket engines, this is not a new technology but BVR using since 70 aim-7 ànd R-27 using dual pulse rocket engines since 70s

Amraam using Conventional rocket

Don't trolling in every Chinese thread please, if you envy with Chinese that's your problem

 

[CIA Mole]

i thought china plan was to mlrs/ballistic missile everything?

will the f16 even be able to take off?

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Again you are wrong..you badly need to update your info regarding Chinese Military Developments.


PL-21 is the one with ramjet
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Again you are wrong..
The same size doesn't mean same range.

Whatever the case, in 2017, the JATM program office hired Lockheed Martin to develop the new air-to-air missile. Otherwise, there are still few details about the design. Genatempo did say that the AIM-260 will not use a ramjet, the European Meteor air-to-air missile does, and will have a similar form factor to the existing AIM-120, but did not explain how it would then be possible then to achieve a significant increase in range, according to Aerospace Daily.

It is possible that advances in rocket motor and warhead technology may be enough to provide a considerable boost in range when combined with a new, streamlined body. For example, Northrop Grumman's AGM-88G Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range (AARGM-ER) leverages similar developments, including a warhead that offers improved lethality in a smaller package, to create space for additional rocket fuel.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...nd-navys-future-long-range-air-to-air-missile

And you still ignoring that PL-15 AAM using Dual-Pulse Rocket Motor which extend the range of the missile compared to Conventional AIM-120D


The one that barking much and accuse other's using fake info. Meanwhile, claiming their personal assumption is holy. Is the one with No Knowledge in this matters



So according to you all sources that claimed PL-15 Missile much superior than their US counterparts is FAKE
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...nd-navys-future-long-range-air-to-air-missile

Wrong DUAL PULSE ROCKET IS NOT A NEW OR REVOTIONALY TECHNOLOGY, ITS USE BY AMRRAM/R 77, US AND RUSSIA IS DEVELOPED THESE TECHNOGY IN 70s AND STARTED TO USING IT IN R 27/AIM 7

AS FOR RAMJET POWERED PROJECT OF PL 21 OR WHATEVER YOU IS BASICALLY DEAD OR ON BACK BURNER, NO NEWS ON IT SINCE 2013

 

[Daniel808]

Wrong DUAL PULSE ROCKET IS NOT A NEW OR REVOTIONALY TECHNOLOGY, ITS USE BY AMRRAM/R 77, US AND RUSSIA IS DEVELOPED THESE TECHNOGY IN 70s AND STARTED TO USING IT IN R 27/AIM 7

AS FOR RAMJET POWERED PROJECT OF PL 21 OR WHATEVER YOU IS BASICALLY DEAD OR ON BACK BURNER, NO NEWS ON IT SINCE 2013

Again, AMRAAM is NOT using Dual-Pulse Rocket Technology.

Amraam using a conventional one

 

[iLION12345_1]

Again you are wrong..you badly need to update your info regarding Chinese Military Developments.


PL-21 is the one with ramjet
View attachment 761352


Again you are wrong..
The same size doesn't mean same range.

Whatever the case, in 2017, the JATM program office hired Lockheed Martin to develop the new air-to-air missile. Otherwise, there are still few details about the design. Genatempo did say that the AIM-260 will not use a ramjet, the European Meteor air-to-air missile does, and will have a similar form factor to the existing AIM-120, but did not explain how it would then be possible then to achieve a significant increase in range, according to Aerospace Daily.

It is possible that advances in rocket motor and warhead technology may be enough to provide a considerable boost in range when combined with a new, streamlined body. For example, Northrop Grumman's AGM-88G Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range (AARGM-ER) leverages similar developments, including a warhead that offers improved lethality in a smaller package, to create space for additional rocket fuel.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...nd-navys-future-long-range-air-to-air-missile

And you still ignoring that PL-15 AAM using Dual-Pulse Rocket Motor which extend the range of the missile compared to Conventional AIM-120D


The one that barking much and accuse other's using fake info. Meanwhile, claiming their personal assumption is holy. Is the one with No Knowledge in this matters







So according to you all sources that claimed PL-15 Missile much superior than their US counterparts is FAKE
View attachment 761355
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...nd-navys-future-long-range-air-to-air-missile

It’s like talking to a donkey about physics. I wonder why you act like you are payed to suck off china.

I don’t have any issues with China, in fact I take up a lot of issues with western people who just call all Chinese tech trash just because it’s Chinese, they never acknowledge the advancements China has made or their progress, because In 2021 China is one of the main players in defense tech.

But the sad fact is that there’s too many fanboys like you that know literally nothing about this stuff and try to convince the world that China does magic with its technology, the technology that China copied from the west in the 70s-90s before they started working on their own. There’s nothing inherently with with that because China makes its own stuff now. But bots like you are convinced that they’ve surpassed everyone, barely any of you are willing to have a civil discussion because it’s too hard for you to believe that western tech is good too. This is why Chinese tech has a bad name in the first place.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Again, AMRAAM is NOT using Dual-Pulse Rocket Technology.

Amraam using a conventional one

Go google yourself why AMRAAM don't using it, its long ranger range than AIM 7 sparrow, which uses it dual pulse rocket engine so why not AMRAAM using it , if you're not convinced go to Wikipedia pages on AMRAAM lol, you're in DELUSIONAL

 

[Daniel808]

It’s like talking to a donkey about physics. I wonder why you act like you are payed to suck off china.

I don’t have any issues with China, in fact I take up a lot of issues with western people who just call all Chinese tech trash just because it’s Chinese, they never acknowledge the advancements China has made or their progress, because In 2021 China is one of the main players in defense tech.

But the sad fact is that there’s too many fanboys like you that know literally nothing about this stuff and try to convince the world that China does magic with its technology, the technology that China copied from the west in the 70s-90s before they started working on their own. There’s nothing inherently with with that because China makes its own stuff now. But bots like you are convinced that they’ve surpassed everyone, barely any of you are willing to have a civil discussion because it’s too hard for you to believe that western tech is good too. This is why Chinese tech has a bad name in the first place.

You have ZERO knowledge regarding Dual-Pulse Motor Technology for sure.

You need to learn more about Dual-Pulse Motor Technology onboard PL-15 AAM for sure






A dual-Pulse motor will boost, from outside the targets MLD detection range, the AAM in a high arching profile. In mid-flight the first pulse (think first stage that does not jettison) cuts out and the AAM coasts until it is well past it's apogee. When the AAM is well into it's downward arch, it's 2nd pulse ignites when it is relatively close to the target. This ensures that the AAM is gaining energy in the end-game and can take advantage of TVC if it has it.

A ramjet AAM just has a longer burn and never turns off until it runs out of fuel.

One benefit of Dual-Pulse is that the AAM can "sneak" up on a target as it's motor is off until it is very close.

As to what that missile is, best I can come up with is a VFDR testbed, and of course PL-15 AAM

Go google yourself why AMRAAM don't using it, its long ranger range than AIM 7 sparrow, which uses it dual pulse rocket engine so why not AMRAAM using it , if you're not convinced go to Wikipedia pages on AMRAAM lol, you're in DELUSIONAL

I think where you gets the idea of the AIM-120D having Dual-Pulse is that the AMRAAM currently has a dual propellant motor.

But dual propellant IS NOT Dual-Pulse Technology