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guys ,do take the trouble to read this whole article,its worth the effort


The work “Vymanika Shastra” has appeared in twentieth century in
Sanskrit transcript form and subsequently translated versions in Hindi
and English have been derived. There are different versions with
different titles leading to possible confusion among the readers and
research scholars. We have therefore devoted some effort to place the
facts in the right perspective.
In this process, it is appropriate to commence this topic with the
narration front-lined on G.R. Josyer’s publication, which reads as
follows.
“Maharshi Bharadwaja’s ‘Vymanika Shastra’ or ‘Science of Aeronautics’
as revealed to venerable Subbaraya Shastry and recorded in hand
written Sanskrit script form, translated to English by G.R. Josyer.M.A
[hons] FRES, MRSE.
Four variants with different titles are as follows:
A] Vymanika prakaranam
B] Vymanika shastra
C] Vimana shastra
D] Bruhad Vimana Shastra

The variant referred to as ‘Vymanika Shastra’ published in Sanskrit-
English languages had its base on the copies sent to Oriental
Libraries in 1919 and something more. The work remained in manuscript
form till 1923 and even later. But between 1919 and 1923 there is
evidence of ‘add on’ textual content to the work in the form of
description and diagrams of four types of representative vimanas --
Sundara, Shakuna, Rukma and Tripura vimana. The work of making
drawings was entrusted to a draughtsman T.K. Ellappa working in an
engineering school. The drawings were prepared by him and appended as
approved by Sri Subbaraya Shastry on 2nd December 1923. This is the
last occasion that any material went into the Sanskrit transcript. The
transcripts remained in exercise-book-form for the next three decades
under the joint custody of Sri Shastriji’s adopted son and Sri
Venkatachala Sharma. It was in 1952 that the books found the light of
the day when they were brought into an exhibition of antique works
conducted by International Academy of Sanskrit Research, Mysore. Mr.
G. R. Josyer, being the Honorary Director of the Academy showed
tremendous initiative. Translation work took a long time and
eventually “Vymanika Shastra” was published on 15th March 1973. This
book became the reference work for many in South India & abroad.
For practical purposes, only “Vymanika Shastra” and ‘Bruhad Vimana
shastra’ can be taken as reference, the other titles are only of
academic nature. Sri Josyer’s publication is taken for reference by
the study team.
Going into essential differences between the two variants, apart from
English-Hindi translations, Maharshi Bharadwaja’s original version
extracted from ‘Yantra Sarwaswa’ contained 500 Sutras {rules}, 8
Chapters and 10 Adikaranas. ‘Vymanika Shastra’ [English version]
contains six chapters, 2972 verses. Bruhad vimana shastra contains 40
rules in 3 chapters and 2657 verses.
In substance, Bruhad Vimana Shastra has 315 verses less. This is
possibly because of addition of descriptions of 4 vimanas that
‘Vymanika Shastra’ contains today. This difference will not matter as
much as the difference we see from the original work to the
transcripted work. The reasons for this could be ascribed to various
factors:
The period of transcription spanned for over 15 years and the
manuscript copies waited in the freezer for 3 to 4 decades. As G. R.
Josyer observes ‘The transcripts came in various forms of decay’.
Loss of such literature through pests, quality of paper, loss during
transit, change of hands could well be imagined. Further, such works
that claimed to be of ancient Indian origin did not find recognition
during the British colonial rule facing freedom struggle. It is said
that even possession of such literature was considered Anti-British.
The scholars who possessed such works had to keep them concealed. Loss
of sheets, obliteration of manuscripts, environmental influences could
have taken a heavy toll.
The various advantages of using machines, especially flying ones, are given elaborately. Special mention is made of their use at one’s will and pleasure, of their uninterrupted movements, of their strength and durability, in short of their capability to do in the air all that is done on earth. Three movements are usually ascribed to these machines, - ascending, cruising thousands of miles in different directions in the atmosphere and lastly descending. It is said that in an aerial car one can mount up to Suryamandala, ‘solar region’ and the Naksatra mandala (stellar region) and also travel throughout the regions of air above the sea and the earth. These cars are said to move so fast as to make a noise that could be heard faintly from the ground. The evidence in its favor is overwhelming.
An aerial car is made of light, wood looking like a great bird with a durable and well-formed body having mercury inside and fire at the bottom. It had two resplendent wings, and is propelled by air. It flies in the atmospheric regions for a great distance and carries several persons along with it. The inside construction resembles heaven created by Brahma himself. Iron, copper, lead and other metals are also used for these machines. All these show how far art and science was developed in ancient India in this direction. Such elaborate description ought to meet the criticism that the vimanas and similar aerial vehicles mentioned in ancient Indian literature should beThe pilot is one who knows the secrets"
Bodhaanada: Scientists say that there are 32 secrets of the working of the Vimaana. A pilot should acquaint himself thoroughly with them before he can be deemed competent to handle the aeroplane. He must know the structure of the aeroplane, know the means of its take off and ascent to the sky, know how to drive it and how to halt it when necessary, how to maneuver it and make it perform spectacular feats in the sky without crashing. Those secrets are given in "Rahashya Lahari" and other works by Lalla and other masters, are are described thus:
"The pilot should have had training in maantrica and taantrica, kritaka and antaraalaka, goodha or hidden, drishya and adrishya or seen and unseen, paroksha and aparoksha, contraction and expansion, changing shape, look frightening, look pleasing, become luminous or enveloped in darkness, deluge or pralaya, vimukha, taara, stun by thunderstorm din, jump, move zig-zag like serpent, chaapala, face all sides, hear distant sounds, take pictures, know enemy maneuver, know direction of enemy approach, stabdhaka or paralyse, and karshana or exercise magnetic pull.
These 32 secrets the pilot should learn from competent preceptors and only such a person is fit to be entrusted with an aeroplane, and not others.

Some of these secrets are:
1. Goodha: As explained in 'Vaayutatva-Prakarana', by harnessing the powers, Yaasaa, Viyaasaa, Prayaasaa in the 8th atmospheric layer covering the earth, to attract the dark content of the solar ray, and use it to hide the Vimana from the enemy.
2. Drishya: By collision of the electric power and wind power in the atmosphere, a glow is created, whose reflection is to be caught in the Vishwa-Kriya-drapana or mirror at the front of the Vimana, and by its manipulation produce a Maaya-Vimana or camouflaged Vimana.
3. Vimukha: As mentioned in "Rig-hridaya", by projecting the force of Kubera, Vimukha and Vyshawaanara poison powder through the third tube of the roudree mirror and turning the switch of the air mechanism, produce wholesale insensibility and coma.
4. Roopaakarshana: By means of the photographic yantra in the Vimana to obtain a television view of things inside an enemy's plane.
5. Stabdhak: By projecting apasmaara poison fume smoke through the tube on the north side on the Vimana, and discharging it with stambhana yantra, people in enemy planes will be made unconscious.
6. Chaapla: On sighting an enemy plane, by turning the switch in the force center in the middle section of the Vimana, a 4087 revolutions an hour atmospheric wave speed will be generated, and shake up the enemy plane.
7. Parashabda Graahaka: As explained in the "Sowdaaminee Kalaa: or science of electronics, by means of the sound capturing yantra in the Vimana, to hear the talks and sound in enemy planes flying in the sky.

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According to Shownaka, the regions of the sky are 5, named, Rekhaapathaha, Mandala, Kakshaya, shakti and Kendra. In these 5 atmospheric regions, ther are 5,19,800 air ways traversed by Vimanas of the Seven Lokas or worlds, known as Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka, Suvarloka, Maholoka, Janoloka, Tapoloka and Satyaloka. Dhundinaatha and "Valalmeeki Ganita" state that Rekha has 7,03,00,800 air routes. Mandala has 20,08,00200 air routes, Kakshya has 2,09,00,300 air routes, Shakti has 10,01,300 air routes, and Kendra has 30,08,200 air routes.
It discusses what kind of food to eat, clothing to wear, metals for vimanas, purification of metals, deals with mirrors and lenses which are required to be installed in the vimaanas, mechanical contrivances or yantras and protecting and different types of vimaanas.
The Mahabharata describes "two storey sky chariots with many windows, ejecting red flame, that race up into the sky until they look like comets . . . to the regions of both the sun and the stars."
Other references speak of:
* Pushan sailing in golden ships across the ocean of the sky
* Garuda (a celestial bird) carrying Lord Vishnu in cosmic journeys
* Aerial flights "through the region of the sky firmament which is above the region of the winds"
• The Ancients of Space Dimensions.
Aircraft in the Vedic literature are generally referred to as Vimanas. Especially throughout the Mahabharata, Bhagavata Purana, and the Ramayana, these flying devices appear.
The Vimanas described in the Vedas are generally of four types:
• Single or two-passenger aircraft;
• Huge airships for interplanetary pleasure trips;
• Huge military aircraft for warfare;
• Self-sufficient flying cities (‘space stations”) for indefinite stay in space.
The third canto of the Bhagavata Purana presents a lengthy account of the yogi Kardama Muni’s aeronautical adventures. With his mystic power, he produced an aerial-mansion type of vimana and took his wife Devahut on a pleasure tour of the universe. His airship was virtually a flying palace, replete with every possible luxury.
“He traveled in that way through the various planets, as the air passes uncontrolled in every direction. Coursing through the air in that great and splendid aerial mansion, which could fly at his will, he surpassed even the demigods.” (Shri Bhaagavatam 3.21.41).
The Vedic epic of Ramayana provides details of a majestic aerial mansion vimana.
Hanuman saw in the middle of that residential quarter the great aerial-mansion vehicle called Pushpaka-vimana, decorated with pearls and diamonds, and featured with artistic windows made of refined gold.
“It was a very big machine, almost like a big city, and it could fly so high and at such a great speed that it was almost impossible to see
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" None could gauge its power nor effect its destruction….it was poised in the atmosphere without support. It had the capacity to go anywhere. It stood in the sky like a milestone in the path of the sun. It could fly in any direction that one wanted. It had chambers of remarkable beauty…Knowing the intentions of the master, it could go anywhere at high speed.”
In both the Mahabharata and the Bhagavata Purana, we get an account of a huge military aircraft belonging to a hostile enemy named Shalva. The parallels with modern UFO reports are inescapable. Here is a summary of the Vedic version:
“It was a very big machine, almost like a big city, and it could fly so high and at such a great speed that it was almost impossible to see; so there was no question of attacking it. It appeared to be almost covered in darkness, yet the pilot could fly it anywhere and everywhere. Having acquired such a wonderful airplane, Shalva flew it to the city of Dwaraka because his main purpose in obtaining the airplane was to attack the city of the Yadus, toward whom he maintained a constant feeling of animosity.

The airplane occupied by Shalva was very mysterious. It was so extraordinary that sometimes many airplanes would appear to be in the sky, and sometimes there were apparently none. Sometimes the plane was visible and sometimes not visible, and the warriors of the Yadu dynasty were puzzled about the whereabouts of the peculiar airplane. Sometimes they would see the airplane on the ground, sometimes flying in the sky, sometimes resting on the peak of a hill, and sometimes floating on the water. The wonderful airplane flew in the sky like a whirling firebrand – it was not steady even for a moment.”
 
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i think these great ideas lost with the great brains in the chapter of our history..

thanks for reminding our great,great past.....:smitten:
 
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i think these great ideas lost with the great brains in the chapter of our history..

thanks for reminding our great,great past.....:smitten:
Lol as long as it remains in the long past as a museum piece. I concked off after the first five lines. Sorry, I'm not ready for this. I only understand lift, drag, tandem consiguration, turbo props windtunnel tetsing etc. Let's live in the 21st century plz.
 
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well many of those books are lost dude, or even present they are in other languages, which the present generations cannot translate.

best example is

BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | India defence looks to ancient text

not even a single word heard about this, till to date,

and we all have been taught that Wright Brothers invented and flew the first airplane. But its wrong, way too long before them in India a person flew an airplane which lasted its first and last maiden flight of 45 seconds. I also read this some where I will provide the link but need to do a search before as I almost forgot it...
 
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Lol as long as it remains in the long past as a museum piece. I concked off after the first five lines. Sorry, I'm not ready for this. I only understand lift, drag, tandem consiguration, turbo props windtunnel tetsing etc. Let's live in the 21st century plz.

You would like to know the facts that these manuscripts have been specifically requested by countries like Japan, US, and Russia.

Japan has already started deciphering Vimana shastra, Dhatu shastra, and Kularnava tantra, rasayana shastra, etc.

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Orville Wright demonstrated on December 17th 1903 that it was possible for a 'manned heavier than air machine to fly'. But, in 1895, eight years earlier, the Sanskrit scholar Shivkar Bapuji Talpade had designed a basic aircraft called Marutsakthi (meaning Power of Air) based on Vedic technology and had it take off unmanned before a large audience in the Chowpathy beach of Bombay. The importance of the Wright brothers lies in the fact, that it was a manned flight for a distance of 120 feet and Orville Wright became the first man to fly. But Talpade's unmanned aircraft flew to a height of 1500 feet before crashing down and the historian Evan Koshtka, has described Talpade as the 'first creator of an aircraft'.

As the world observes the one hundredth anniversary of the first manned flight, it is interesting to consider the saga of India's 19th century first aircraft inventor for his design was entirely based on the rich treasury of India's Vedas. Shivkar Bapuji Talpade was born in 1864 in the locality of Chirabazar at Dukkarwadi in Bombay.

He was a scholar of Sanskrit and from his young age was attracted by the Vaimanika Sastra (Aeronautical Science) expounded by the great Indian SAGE Maharishi Bhardwaja. One western scholar of Indology Stephen-Knapp has put in simple words or rather has tried to explain what Talpade did and succeeded!

According to Knapp, the Vaimanika Shastra describes in detail, the construction of what is called, the mercury vortex engine the forerunner of the ion engines being made today by NASA. Knapp adds that additional information on the mercury engines can be found in the ancient Vedic text called Samaranga Sutradhara. This text also devotes 230 verses, to the use of these machines in peace and war. The Indologist William Clarendon, who has written down a detailed description of the mercury vortex engine in his translation of Samaranga Sutradhara quotes thus 'Inside the circular air frame, place the mercury-engine with its solar mercury boiler at the aircraft center. By means of the power latent in the heated mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in a most marvellous manner. Four strong mercury containers must be built into the interior structure. When these have been heated by fire through solar or other sources the vimana (aircraft) develops thunder-power through the mercury.

NASA (National Aeronau-tical and Space Administra-tion) world's richest/ most powerful scientific organisation is trying to create an ion engine that is a device that uses a stream of high velocity electrified particles instead of a blast of hot gases like in present day modern jet engines. Surprisingly according to the bi-monthly Ancient Skies published in USA, the aircraft engines being developed for future use by NASA by some strange coincidence also uses mercury bombardment units powered by Solar cells! Interestingly, the impulse is generated in seven stages. The mercury propellant is first vapourised fed into the thruster discharge chamber ionised converted into plasma by a combination with electrons broke down electrically and then accelerated through small openings in a screen to pass out of the engine at velocities between 1200 to 3000 kilometres per minute! But so far NASA has been able to produce an experimental basis only a one pound of thrust by its scientists a power derivation virtually useless. But 108 years ago Talpade was able to use his knowledge of Vaimanika Shastra to produce sufficient thrust to lift his aircraft 1500 feet into the air!

According to Indian scholar Acharya, 'Vaimanika Shastra deals about aeronautics including the design of aircraft the way they can be used for transportation and other applications in detail. The knowledge of aeronautics is described in Sanskrit in 100 sections, eight chapters, 500 principles and 3000 slokas including 32 techniques to fly an aircraft. In fact, depending on the classifications of eras or Yugas in modern Kaliyuga aircraft used are called Krithakavimana flown by the power of engines by absorbing solar energies!' It is feared that only portions of Bharadwaja's masterpiece Vaimanika Shas-tra survive today.
The question that comes to one's mind is, what happened to this wonderful encyclopaedia of aeronautical knowledge accumulated by the Indian savants of yore, and why was it not used? But in those days, such knowledge was the preserve of sages, who would not allow it to be misused, just like the knowledge of atomic bombs is being used by terrorists today!

According to scholar Ratnakar Mahajan who wrote a brochure on Talpade. 'Being a Sanskrit scholar interested in aeronautics, Talpade studied and consulted a number of Vedic treatises like Brihad Vaimanika Shastra of Maharishi Bharadwaja Vimanachandrika of Acharya Narayan Muni Viman yantra of Maharish Shownik Yantra Kalp by Maharishi Garg Muni Viman Bindu of Acharya Vachaspati and Vimana Gyanarka Prakashika of Maharishi Dhundiraj'. This gave him confidence that he can build an aircraft with mercury engines. One essential factor in the creation of these Vedic aircraft was the timing of the Suns Rays or Solar energy (as being now utilised by NASA) when they were most effective to activate the mercury ions of the engine. Happily for Talpade Maharaja Sayaji Rao Gaekwad of Baroda a great supporter of the Sciences in India, was willing to help him and Talpade went ahead with his aircraft construction with mercury engines. One day in 1895 (unfortunately the actual date is not mentioned in the Kesari newspaper of Pune which covered the event) before an curious scholarly audience headed by the famous Indian judge/ nationalist/ Mahadeva Govin-da Ranade and H H Sayaji Rao Gaekwad Talpade had the good fortune to see his un manned aircraft named as 'Marutsakthi' take off, fly to a height of 1500 feet and then fall down to earth.
But this success of an Indian scientist was not liked by the Imperial rulers. Warned by the British Government the Maharaja of Baroda stopped helping Talpade. It is said that the remains of the Marutsakthi were sold to 'foreign parties' by the relatives of Talpade in order to salvage whatever they can out of their loans to him. Talpade's wife died at this critical juncture and he was not in a mental frame to continue with his researches. But his efforts to make known the greatness of Vedic Shastras was recognised by Indian scholars, who gave him the title of Vidya Prakash Pra-deep.

Talpade passed away in 1916 un-honoured, in his own country.

As the world rightly honours the Wright Brothers for their achievements, we should think of Talpade, who utilised the ancient knowledge of Sanskrit texts, to fly an aircraft, eight years before his foreign counterparts.

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^^^^ Great knowledge provided by you sir!!!
Thanx to you for this post and special thanx to Mr. brain_Dead for starting of this thread!!
I salute to Mr.Shivkar Bapuji Talpade for his great achievement.
This all editorial let us all to know "how glorious past we had."
JAI Bharat bhoomi!!
 
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How it was possible to lose these technologies?
How can we protect ourselves from loss of technology in the future?
 
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How it was possible to lose these technologies?
How can we protect ourselves from loss of technology in the future?

Actually these shastras or shall we call technologies were passed from generation to generation through word of mouth i.e. they were not written, to understand this you have to read about shruti (words) and smriti (memory) the coner stones of education in pre-historical times in Bharata khanda (now india). Teachers thought that by writing it down the value of education would be corrupted also could be stolen by unworthy people.

At that time teacher or guru used to have a gurukula now school where he took in students or sishya and educated them, this was not a paid education system teaching was considered divine ( of all the alms u can give to the needy in India Vidya daana or giving alms not in a derogatory sense but in true sense was considered the greatest of all). However there is a catch here, though he would educate them with basic education like read and memorise the texts and other education deemed necessary then , he would pass on the most intricate of them like the advanced techs to only those whom deemed were worthy of it, i.e. who would use it for the well being of humanity. It also said in some stories because these are which provide u with certain insights not told literally sometimes the guru would keep the deepest secrets with himself since he thinks the sishya could outsmart him :devil:

My guess is that some way down the road of the development this land lost all the knowledge either by abstinence of guru voluntarily or due to the guru not finding a worthy person.

Here i should also mention an important thing that such education was provided only to Brahmin's and kshatriya's (which means kings and their children). However history has its share of people from other caste's too getting in to the education system. This was not intended to degrade the others or to keep them out of the loop, u see the situation at that time was that people were divided in to four groups Brahmins who took care of rituals like the clergy today, kshatriya's who were to defend the city , vaisya's who took care of trade and sudra's who took care of all other works like pottery, blacksmith etc. U see they brought their sons in to their profession and the division continued, however down the line as we have seen today every type of governance ( read capitalism and communism or other form of govt) though started with a cause (depending on the society) tend to get abused by those in power and other power mongers. So in this way the knowledge was relegated to only a few and as this land faced external threats and was occupied slowly, the knowledge being present with a few who would face the ire of invaders were either killed or escaped without providing it to others.

Also so many different culture and languages and kingdoms (at 1947 we had 354 princely states it seems, phew!!!!) didn't make things easy. Most of my posts are guesses since we are talking of pre-historic times.

ALso the worst thing in this land is that we love anything foreign but our own. Don't know when this habit started but we think our knowledge is worhtless but if a foreigner comes and teaches the same we think it is something out of the world. Its a fashion i guess.
 
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@^^^ thanks for the info

one thing may be you forgot, it is being said that, many of these books which are available in text forms were destroyed by the foreign rulers. Who ruled India for centuries.
 
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