Why are we accusing the COAS?

[Darth.Vad3r]

Your theory has its merits --- but it breaks down at this critical point: that one man could have stopped all this. That one man could have followed the expectations of the nation and army and retired on time. That one man could have worked with the PM to crush any foreign conspiracy. That one man could have cleansed the system as the army continues to cleanse Baloch/TTP (with mixed results) from far flung areas.

No other institution or single seat in the entire country has that power --- hence, the blame will naturally disproportionately fall on that one man, and he deserves it.

I agree with you he should have, atleast after when he endorsed in NSC. Thats what has startled me, after endorsing in NSC he should have pushed the button but i think by that time it was too late for him to put things in order. Things were already mobilized legally n constitutionally. Khan failed to capitalize NSC endorsement.

 

[TigerOfMysore]

PTI gov departure has to do with a number of factors. Unfortunately they all aligned together to bring it down. It includes but is not limited to:

• Internal rifts within PA on next COAS appointment (along with US concerns)
• US pressure on PK and its establishment structure (immense pressure from US,EU)
• Convergence of political interests and desperation of some circles like PPP and PML to align before their political life ends
• MQM's electoral concerns for next election
• Active financial funding of interests within Pakistan by India
• Corrupted Judiciary
• A bureaucracy that is having a harder time to meet "financial" needs
• Personal enmity and anger within the PTI ranks (Aleem, Tareen)
• Vote of support by establishment to the following: BAP, Mengal, Bhugti and MQM (unfortunately this is where the dirty game was played - maybe people are not aware of this - all of these four have security guarantees by the PA)

In any other environment none of these would have come together concurrently. Then some prodding and coaxing by some external country along with an open hand by establishment (under the guise of neutrality) allowed for this to occur.
Very sad day.

 

[senses]

Reminds me of the Balakot incident, When Imran Khan told the reporters there was mixed opinion weather Pakistan should attack back or not. Bajwa was saying to not attack while others including Imran Khan said we should respond. This makes sense now what a coward chief we have.

Same chief who visited Balochistan after an attack on check post and then there another attack on nuskhi after two days.

 

[R Wing]

I agree with you he should have, atleast after when he endorsed in NSC. Thats what has startled me, after endorsing in NSC he should have pushed the button but i think by that time it was too late for him to put things in order. Things were already mobilized legally n constitutionally. Khan failed to capitalize NSC endorsement.

Khan would have failed regardless because the entire deep state decided to oust him. It's as simple as that. Buzdar (terrible decision) or not; better governance or not; NSC decision or not.

This is what Pakistanis need to understand. It was a conspiracy, not organic events.

 

[Goenitz]

Bajwa was saying to not attack while others including Imran Khan said we should respond.

There was no other option than to respond. IK and Bajwa were delaying to access the damage first, while rest were asking for immediate response.

 

[khansaheeb]

I could definitely see India attacking now. Pakistan is in anarchy and choas. Indians won't get a better opportunity than this

With a nuclear capable Shaheen 3 able to hit any part of India, doubt very much if India will make a direct attack. What they will do is incite and ferment more internal division and conflict.

 

[truthseeker2010]

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[PakSarZameen47]

With a nuclear capable Shaheen 3 able to hit any part of India, doubt very much if India will make a direct attack. What they will do is incite and ferment more internal division and conflict.

Internal division and choas leads to more anarchy which is very worrying

 

[blain2]

Reminds me of the Balakot incident, When Imran Khan told the reporters there was mixed opinion weather Pakistan should attack back or not. Bajwa was saying to not attack while others including Imran Khan said we should respond. This makes sense now what a coward chief we have.

Same chief who visited Balochistan after an attack on check post and then there another attack on nuskhi after two days.

And you know this how, were you there? First that anyone here has heard that "Bajwa" said no.

I understand the need to build a narrative to show Bajwa as a coward, worthy of scorn but let's have the courage to speak the truth and not peddle propaganda. What is your source that the CoAS of Pakistan was the only man in the cabinet to not suggest a response to India?

This is the same chief whose architecture was implemented by Gen Rahil Sharif to prosecute the FATA operations successfully which brought peace to Pakistan. You can blame him for the current fiasco if you'd like, but refrain from outright lies.

No Pakistani worth his salt will sit quietly in the face of Indian aggression. It was the military leadership that told PMIK that we will respond which led the PM to make the speech where he said 'hum sochain gay nahi...."

Let the people come out on the streets and stand their ground, no issues, but don't build this false narrative about our very own army.

 

[PakSarZameen47]

It is none of the above. A much smaller group - basically internal PA politics is playing itself out to our detriment.

Pindi vs Peshawer?

 

[The Terminator]

PTI gov departure has to do with a number of factors. Unfortunately they all aligned together to bring it down. It includes but is not limited to:

• Internal rifts within PA on next COAS appointment (along with US concerns)
• US pressure on PK and its establishment structure (immense pressure from US,EU)
• Convergence of political interests and desperation of some circles like PPP and PML to align before their political life ends
• MQM's electoral concerns for next election
• Active financial funding of interests within Pakistan by India
• Corrupted Judiciary
• A bureaucracy that is having a harder time to meet "financial" needs
• Personal enmity and anger within the PTI ranks (Aleem, Tareen)
• Vote of support by establishment to the following: BAP, Mengal, Bhugti and MQM (unfortunately this is where the dirty game was played - maybe people are not aware of this - all of these four have security guarantees by the PA)

In any other environment none of these would have come together concurrently. Then some prodding and coaxing by some external country along with an open hand by establishment (under the guise of neutrality) allowed for this to occur.
Very sad day.

It pretty much sums it all. And the result is:
The Losers: Pakistan, the people of Pakistan and perhaps repute of some Govt institutions.

The winners: all internal and external Anti-Pakistan entities.

The trust broken in civil (people of Pakistan)- military relationship can't be reversed that much easily. And it has opened the gates for more interventions from Anti-Pakistan forces. And unfortunately Public here can't do anything. It's people in power who would have to do it all by themselves

 

[PakSarZameen47]

It pretty much sums it all. And the result is:
The Losers: Pakistan, the people of Pakistan and perhaps repute of some Govt institutions.

The winners: all internal and external Anti-Pakistan entities.

The trust broken in civil (people of Pakistan)- military relationship can't be reversed that much easily. And it has opened the gates for more interventions from Anti-Pakistan forces. And unfortunately Public here can't do anything. It's people in power who would have to do it all by themselves

Imran Khan's popularity has sky rocketed. This can.be fixed if he comes back either 2/3 majority.

 

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[The Terminator]

With a nuclear capable Shaheen 3 able to hit any part of India, doubt very much if India will make a direct attack. What they will do is incite and ferment more internal division and conflict.

Indian attack would be accompanied with some more US love letters. They work in conjunction. Can you please explain that Hafiz Saeed was wanted by whom?? And just coincidentally he is sentenced to 31 years of prison just now . Before that for decades we had been listening that there aren't any credible proves against him and was regularly being acquitted of any charges from terrorism courts. And suddenly having a change of heart against him!

So uncle sam says:
Men nhi boldi Loko men nhi boldi
mery pichay Mera yar (modi) bolda

 

[ghazi52]

Karachi did it what a crowd......................