Why are the Afghan Taliban listening to Pakistan?

[VCheng]

The foreign diplomatic coup you have seen by Pakistan at the loss of India [who are knocked out and actually stunned] is premised on the simple change of US policy.

• before it was nuture India to help with Afghanistan as a regional hegemon and look after US interests.
• now in a enormous U-turn US is actually desperate for Pakistan to become the sub-contractor as the 'policemman' in the Af-Pak region.

Underlying this is geographic determinsm. Whoever thought India could do it ignored one jarring reality. India is NOT Afghanistan's neighbour.

Please keep in mind that even while USA was nurturing India, it did not abandon Pakistan completely, and conversely, now that it is rejuvenating its relationship with Pakistan, it will not stop nurturing India completely.

 

[!eon]

Not Pakistanis but only libturds.
I always supported Afghan Taliban..since the day one despite facing the wrath of coward libturd suckers.

In case you want to meet Taliban in Afghanistan, it would be my pleasure to take you there



Now don't take it negative.

 

[B.K.N]

it did not abandon Pakistan

Only reason Pakistan is relevant for US is Afghan issue until Afghanistan issue is not solved Pakistan will stay relevant for US

 

[war&peace]

In case you want to meet Taliban in Afghanistan, it would be my pleasure to take you there

If I want, I can meet them myself.

 

[B.K.N]

it would be my pleasure to take you there

You mean you have very good relations with Taliban

 

[VCheng]

Only reason Pakistan is relevant for US is Afghan issue until Afghanistan issue is not solved Pakistan will stay relevant for US

As was said by Lindsey Graham:

“In my opinion,” Graham tweeted, “he and his government represent the best opportunity in decades to have a beneficial strategic relationship [with] the US. This will help us secure Afghanistan and the region long-term.”

PMIK has committed Pakistan to help USA in the Afghan solution, and he will get some benefits for Pakistan in return.

Quid pro quo.

 

[!eon]

If I want, I can meet them myself.

Okay then we do so... that you take me there

You mean you have very good relations with Taliban

You don't need any relations to meet them. They are very hospitable people.
Only people who never met them described their cruelties, mostly copied from mainstream media.

 

[Kabira]

There is such a thing as geographic determinism which regards geography as a major variable in shaping of peoples/nations. Kabul and all of north east Afghanistan [which forms big % of Afghan population] is actually a natural part of the Indus River region. The Durand line is as artificial, if in fact more than the Radcliffe line. It was marked by the British. Consider this. Whereas the Radcliffe divides Punjabi from Punjabi but they are differantiated starkly by religion. That is on one side you have Musim Punjabi and the other Sikh Punjabi. However in the case of Durand it divides Muslim Pashtuns from Muslim Pashtuns.

What I am saying is despite all the vitriol and hatred you see Pakistan and Afghanistan are conjoined twins. History has shown that. And for those who b*tch about Afghans don't ever forget the primary value given by USA on Pakistan is Afghanistan. It's not like we have oil or trade to offer them. When we croak about our strategic location we actually primarily mean Afghanistan.

Despite the negatives that members here heap on Afghans never it be forgotten some of the most precious assets we have acquired is thanks to us prostituting the Afghans. Think of all the F-16s, military aid we have got over 1990s, 2000s and MOST important of all the nuclear bomb

You guys think that America would have allowed us the nuclear bomb? Not in your wildest dreams. We got the nukes because we were fcuking the Afghans in 1980s to everything and anything. That included using the Afghan jihad as shield against US poking in our nuke project. Notice soon after Soviets left Afghanistan America hit us with Pressler amendment and our famous F-16s got impounded.

So next time you bitch about Afgans keep the nukes, the F-16s, Pakistan strategic value in mind. I am not saying there have been negatives as well but sans Afghanistan we would have been in far worse position versus India. No nukes for starters. We could have resigned to become Mata India's cub.

And as if to highlight it even in 2019 Pakistan's relevance in Washington as seen by PMIK's visit was Afganistan. Othewise we are just another bankrupt country. Furthermore don't think even if US pulls out Pakistan's value will go to zero. It will drop to a degree but US will leave this region and rely on Pakistan to make sure that Af-Pak region never becomes a threat for the West again. So Pakistan's relevance will continue into the next decade at least, although somewhat reduced. Again thanks to Afghanistan.

Kabul River [Kabul River Basin] flows into Indus River at Attock, Pakistan

You forget about must important factor for US, the Soviets. Only reason Ayub Khan was accepted as dictator was because of Soviet factor. US abandoned Afghanistan soon after Soviet pull out, tells you how important Afghanistan strategically for US once Soviets were gone. So if you have to thank anyone for Pakistani dictators selling out to US from Ayub Khan to Musharraf then its Soviets.

Now US will not make same mistakes of the past and will always make sure Afghanistan isn't used as base against west by terrorists and for that they will need Pakistan. For how long? Maybe decade or two till Afghanistan become stable enough on their own.

 

[B.K.N]

Maybe decade or two till Afghanistan become stable enough on their own.

And Afghanistan would never become stable Afghan government and military can't survive without American funding
Because they don't have any type of resources

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Salaam

Dr. Shahid Masood mentioned in his latest t.v program that one thing that must be acknowledged is that the main reason the Americans are interested in getting Pakistan's help with the problem of the Afghan Taliban is because the Afghan Taliban are willing to listen to Pakistan.

This is despite the fact that the Afghan government is vehemently opposed to Pakistan and is pro India. Yet they are virtually being ignored in terms of the Afghan peace process.

So my question is why are the Afghan Taliban willing to listen to Pakistan when they easily could directly negotiate given that they brought the Americans to the table through a long hard military resistance?

Look we have been tagged bad guys for supporting them all along .
Tough I don't trust the breed afghan It still I must say they have to be sympathetic with us .

 

[El Sidd]

Not Pakistanis but only libturds.
I always supported Afghan Taliban..since the day one despite facing the wrath of coward libturd suckers.

But we have seen all section of Pakistani society blaming all ills of the country on the phenomenon of 'Taliban'.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Pakistan holds some influence on Taliban not to make them do anything but enough to make them listen to our propositions , Taliban never wanted to fight against USA infact much of Taliban commanders insist mullah omar to hand over OBL . Taliban wants peace and stability in region and their country , but they will never accept a occupation over them cause of their culture and religious background .

If Pakistan can bring them both (Taliban & USA) to a reasonable solution which both accept than it will be the biggest deal of this century , USA had enough of Afghanistan and as Donald trump said we don't want to be world police . But the problem is that there are many other factors and players who don't want peace in Afghanistan . India want to keep Afghanistan war torn so they can use it against Pakistan , northern Alliance wants a destabilize Afghanistan so they can loot American money and protect themselves from Taliban and Afghan people . And than there is Iran who is very active in Afghanistan , ISIS now has thousands of fighters ready to distrup any peace deal between USA and Taliban .

Afghanistan is a mess and countries need to solve it's problems before it's mess consumps nearby countries .

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Just due to combo of paternal and
Ideological relations.

 

[KhanBaba2]

The foreign diplomatic coup you have seen by Pakistan at the loss of India [who are knocked out and actually stunned] is premised on the simple change of US policy.

• before it was nuture India to help with Afghanistan as a regional hegemon and look after US interests.
• now in a enormous U-turn US is actually desperate for Pakistan to become the sub-contractor as the 'policemman' in the Af-Pak region.

Underlying this is geographic determinsm. Whoever thought India could do it ignored one jarring reality. India is NOT Afghanistan's neighbour.

To the US, the US and India relationship was never about Afghanistan. It is about China.

Right now, Afghanistan is more important to Trump. If he can get out of there without too much criticism from the media or opposition, he feels his chances in 2020 are that much brighter. He is also a vindictive person. So Pakistan has to deliver on Afghanistan or hope he does not get reelected.

after u.s withdrawal afghan taliban will not remain limited to afghanistan but whole region will see Islamic revolution and india will lose kashmir and eventually whole india will come under Muslim rule.I think india end is near

Before India, they will have to take Pakistan.

 

[Yaseen1]

To the US, the US and India relationship was never about Afghanistan. It is about China.

Right now, Afghanistan is more important to Trump. If he can get out of there without too much criticism from the media or opposition, he feels his chances in 2020 are that much brighter. He is also a vindictive person. So Pakistan has to deliver on Afghanistan or hope he does not get reelected.



Before India, they will have to take Pakistan.

50000 gurella fighters are enough to turn india into Syria and I think the way india is badly treating minorities that time seems very near