@Viper0011. If I am not wrong, not long before you were advocating F35 coming for Pakistan in near future and now this!!
What event or chain of event make your mind change so drastically? You were pretty much sure of further strengthening of US-Pak ties.
Is that hell bent undermining of Nawaz government by army and army fans make you think differently?
A LOT has been happening VERY fast. The last straw in this realization on the American side to pull the plug on serious / offensive technologies and relationships was a few months ago when Gen. Raheel visited the US. I personally know him and like him, but I don't know who his advisers were. He was very adamant about meeting with the POTUS. Out of courtesy and visiting guests respect, they let the VP meet with him. But that whole episode put a final nail into the coffin. No decent country in today's world wants to work with uniformed generals. Take a look around and you'll see all growing countries don't have uniforms. A General is considered a Public servant and comes under the Civilian elected government. Not the other way around. So what's been happening for the past 5 decades in Pakistan eventually took a final turn in global relations too.
You'll of course see people on here bashing the civilian government trying to shift the blame. But the civilians have NO say in what Pakistani military does or decides on the foreign policy. This is a HUGE international blow and embarrassment IMO.
I've stated in almost every post I've written in terms of US-Pak defense and trade relations and purely from a Pakistan's friend's standpoint. If Pakistan has a democratic system not "ruled" by the generals on the back, if there is no terrorism, if there is no intolerance, and the country has policies, with projected growth, I can see some real advance stuff coming into Pakistan as she'd be able to pay for it in cash in a few years. But if the military will continue to derail this situation again and again and will support their own people and none of this hasn't been successful for the past 50 years, you bet other partners would turn their back one day. A relationship is mutual........the US has been helping Pakistan since her birth. Someone please tell me how the Pakistanis has helped the US in the past 70 years (please don't include the two Afghan wars as their was billions worth of price paid for cooperation and it fell through corrupt hands in the military also each time, and not to mention, those threats were on Pakistan's integrity also).
At this point, with Chahabar port connecting India to Afghanistan, the US will send a couple of hundred thousand troops to Afghanistan that Afghans have already agreed to with love. So the US leaders don't want to continue to play this drama with Pakistan called "we are strategic partners', when we hear that "the Pakistanis have us by the Balls"........that's the craziest strategy to have in place dealing with a super power. Pakistan needs a real diplomatic foreign policy made by foreign policy think tank and civilian experts with advice from the military. The military shouldn't be alone deciding on a foreign policy without clear goals, diplomatic fronts and associated economic objectives.
during the last government of Zardari, Pakistan backed out from its opposition to special nuclear privileges granted for India and due to that China also backed out. hence I mentioned them both. although Chinese decision is not purely based on Pakistani concerns but also sees the current US-American setup against its interests so it might disregard what Nawaz Sherif requests it to do. the current government has much at stake.. its leadership has business and pending visa requests in America and businesses inside India and can potentially face hardships and monetary loss if the Indian nuclear bid is foiled. this is something which is unacceptable for the Imperial democratic leadership of Pakistan
that is true but how Tariq Fatmi can look eye to eye when his own son is awaiting visa/ nationality request in USA. and then there is the issue of that hard earned money saved in the west,
GHQ will get its bone to chew, F-16s were withheld for some reason.
the foreign minister of Imperial democratic of Pakistan Satraj Aziz has admitted that Democratic government shapes its foreign policies on the dictation of America and benefits and rewards follow on such compliance.
Yes.. with heavy heart I consider our democratic leaders as scum of the earth and sub human. GHQ is irrelevant and will be made irrelevant once that Dar will sell our nuclear capability for the Debt relief. you and other apologists will be telling us that we need to pray and believe in Indian benevolence and it will show mercy to us once we give up on anything which we can defend ourselves with.
just imagine how much money will be saved by cutting the military and giving up nuclear capability? all that money can be safely used in "Alhamdolillah projects" elsewhere on the globe.
1) I don't know who this guy is. But about 90% of your politicians and generals settle in the US, UAE and the UK. This is NOT a new thing. Mushy is a Green Card holder and doesn't want to get the US citizenship because Green card works for him with a Diplomatic passport (Green card is half the nationality mind you). Also, where is Mr. Pasha? Kiyani, Mushy, etc, etc? Where did $ 200 million from the coalition fund go, along with Mr. General? Went to the US, Turkey and the great old USA!!!! That was American tax payer's money that Mushy decided to spread across like his dad's heritage!!!!! So yea, you guys have this serious issue, whether military or politicians, all are corrupt. Gen. Raheel is probably the first General I personally know is CLEAN. Everyone else had some "flavor" of at-least $ 10-50 or more millions worth of corruption. I have a list with precise names and amount if you like, I can put it on here. It includes PN and PAF related commissions too
2) This situation has nothing to do with NS or anyone else. This is a common old trend, when shiit fails and the world and the nation sees it, add the civilians names into it. When did ANY Civilian government EVER made an independent Foreign Policy in Pakistan
!!!! One of the reasons why the West AND the Chinese are frustrated over Pakistan where the military does all this without experience and when they fail, they blame the Civilians like you are in your post.
3) You think that the same person who decided to press the button in 99 will actually give up that capability??? I feel sorry for people making these comments. Its like asking a human to reverse his age. Doesn't work like that. Try something else that beats the common sense
By the way, Imran Khan also have SAME business ties with India. He invested a lot of money through Indian offshore companies into the West. But that started to come out, he sent a message to NS that we'll keep it tamed and you do too. We'll show off our street power and all will go well and the dust will settle. He also asked for an amnesty bill to be presented so ALL politicians can be "held accountable". I know more about this back channel political drama then you can imagine
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So who do you trust in Pakistan when everyone's corrupt from A to Z???? A country where ALL riches of today are to that level due to stealing taxes, electricity and everything else from their country..... and now screaming corruption so that their greed of power can be full-filled by stealing power....means.....they are loyal to the country? NO, it JUST means more greedy people barking. Find loyal people who have paid their taxes in the past 70 years and have full-filled national obligations. I bet you, it would be hard to find even 500 people like those among the riches!! The entire system is corrupt and it needs to be changed from first, setting up a tax structure, and creating jobs and economy and from that point on corruption will slowly start to calm down when people will be caught. After a few years, the system will get stronger to a point where the corruption will start to be lesser and lesser and the culture will change. But that doesn't mean you take off the people you hate and put the people you like on there and derail the entire progress.
. Yea, you want to break a country, you need a few of these guys. The guy after him, was involved in 6 billion worth of corruption and had to pay it back recently due to Gen. Raheel's intervention. 
